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Old 01-23-2012, 06:17 PM
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Observations on the F30 at the Welt

Was in Munich for work last week and had a chance to visit BMW Welt. They had 4 models on display starting only last Wed (1/18). They had one of each line (Sport, Modern, Luxury), and one 320d Efficient Dynamics car. I spent maybe 30 min or so with the cars (I got to the Welt only past 3 pm and was signed up for the factory tour at 4 pm). The floor was busy so I really only had a chance to sit in the Sport Line and Modern Line. The other two I was just able to see from the outside.

- The car looks really good in person, nothing flashy, but definitely did not evoke any " don't like this" feelings that the E90 did when it first came out. Even from the pictures I never really had any concerns about this, but seeing it in person confirms this and everything looks like it's great quality.
- The cars had a hood pad and the tire valve covers were metal! Hopefully that'll make it to the US too. I note this because the E90 was de-contented of them.
- When closing the trunk you have to slam it shut. This is unlike my E46 (not sure about the E90), where I can bring the trunk lid to about 3 or 4 inches from being shut and drop it. The E46 seems more elegant in that respect. Not sure if this is because the trunk lid on the F30 is lighter, the springs are stiffer, or a combination of both.
- The rep there said that the ambient lighting of the car is configurable in the modern line, but couldn't get it to actually happen.
- All 4 had the sport steering, so I didn't get to see what the standard steering looks like.
- The only one not with leather was the 320d. It had cloth. That was amazing. Why can't BMW bring cloth to the US? (Much better than leatherette, IMO.)
- The wood on the Modern Line had engineered grooves...kind of funky. Wasn't regular smooth wood.
- Those 18" wheels look really big. They look like they would be easily prone to damage and would cost a fortune to replace. (I have 16" wheels on my E46, and set a 4 costs < $500.00 installed with insurance.)
- The interior is, for the most part, identical to the F20 1-series (which was also on display there).
- The seats were definitely more comfortable than my E46 and also the E90. I don't think the E90's seats are much different than the E46, but these are different.
- It is going to be a pain to clean around the navigation (or non-naviagtion) display in the center console.
- The manual parking brake puts it a touch out-of-date with respect to the competition. An electronic parking brake would have made that area a lot cleaner.
- The only car without the navigation display was the 320d. The display is, and looks, smaller, but it doesn't look cheap or anything. In fact, I really had to pay attention to tell the difference when the display is off (I didn't get to see the 320d's display turned on).

All in all, I am more excited about this car after sitting in it than I ever was about the A4 or the C-coupe which I was considering for a while. Now only need to wait for the reviews on how it drives.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:19 PM
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Were they sports seats?
The Sport Line had sport seats, the Modern Line had regular seats. Both were more comfortable than I've experienced with past models.
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The interior is, for the most part, identical to the F20 1-series (which was also on display there).
Such a shame....I really like a little model separation, especially from the entry level model. Of course looking at the 3/5, the 3er looks like 'mini me' from the outside, as far as shape/rump goes.
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- The only one not with leather was the 320d. It had cloth. That was amazing. Why can't BMW bring cloth to the US? (Much better than leatherette, IMO.)
IMO more comfy and I'd prefer the option of cloth or at least Alcantara. (I think a cloth/leather combo is still available on the base E90 M3.)

The lack of the cloth option is most likely because of the large number of BMWs that are leased in the US. In effect BMW needs to sell the cars twice. Easier to hose out evidence of the prior lessee on a car with leather or vinyl than to replace stained cloth seat covers.
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It's eventually going to go away, though.
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Us old schoolers are glad for the hand brake.
I like the manual handbrake, but I do not like the notch that BMW needs for the handbrake to clear the center armrest - the notch removes the support that I want for my right elbow. If they keep the manual handbrake BMW should use the two-piece, sliding armrest (like those in the M3) to allow you to get support for your elbow.
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I like the manual handbrake, but I do not like the notch that BMW needs for the handbrake to clear the center armrest - the notch removes the support that I want for my right elbow. If they keep the manual handbrake BMW should use the two-piece, sliding armrest (like those in the M3) to allow you to get support for your elbow.
You can order (in the UK anyway) the optional sliding front armrest.
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usa sportline comes with the sliding arm rest, right? had it on me e60 and liked it,
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AFAIK, sliding center arm rest is standard on all US models
That's so unfair ... I had to pay 120 for option 4AE "Armrest front, sliding"
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My 2011 E90 335xi (July 2010 ED pickup) does not have the sliding armrest. I believe that the 2011 M3s had a split armrest with the driver's side able to slide. That was also the case with the 7s and 5s that I tested. pcbrew are you saying that all 2012/13 F30s will have sliding armrests in US models?
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That is incorrect. For 3ers, only ///M3s have a sliding arm rest.
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That is incorrect. For 3ers, only ///M3s have a sliding arm rest.
Is this true even for F30? Every car I saw at the Welt, including F10s, had a sliding armrest.
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i think f30 come with sliding, tho i know e90 m3 had sliding and regular e90 did not
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i think f30 come with sliding, tho i know e90 m3 had sliding and regular e90 did not
I had that same thought and I think it was listed in some information about the cars, but the models at the NAIAS did not have them. The early literature tends to give information on European models. So, I'd say it's a toss up.
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How did the red dash trim on the sport model come across to you? Was it distracting, annoying or acceptable?
I'm not much for flashy looks, but I still thought it was acceptable and tasteful. There's also a red circle in the speedo/tacho gauges which is not there on the non-Sport Line cars.
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The Sport Line had sport seats, the Modern Line had regular seats. Both were more comfortable than I've experienced with past models.
Would you mind elaborating on this? I'm inclined to go w/ the Sport Line, but have concern about the width between the side bolsters (both on the upper and lower portions of the seat). I've wide shoulders / hips and it's generally a toss-up whether sport seats are comfortable for me in a given model.

Are the bolsters by chance adjustable in any way?

Also, for a seating position slid back to the stop do you anticipate that the B pillar will intrude on shoulder space? Is the foot well area wide (I felt the e90 was a bit cramped on the right side in this regard).

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I had that same thought and I think it was listed in some information about the cars, but the models at the NAIAS did not have them. The early literature tends to give information on European models. So, I'd say it's a toss up.
I'm pretty sure that I sat in at least one model that had a sliding armrest. The whole armrest slid back and forth and wasn't split like the M3 armrest. I was mostly in the 335i with the M Sport Package so it may have been that one.
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Would you mind elaborating on this? I'm inclined to go w/ the Sport Line, but have concern about the width between the side bolsters (both on the upper and lower portions of the seat). I've wide shoulders / hips and it's generally a toss-up whether sport seats are comfortable for me in a given model.

Are the bolsters by chance adjustable in any way?

Also, for a seating position slid back to the stop do you anticipate that the B pillar will intrude on shoulder space? Is the foot well area wide (I felt the e90 was a bit cramped on the right side in this regard).

Thanks!
I think seats can be quite personal. From my standpoint I found them more comfortable with respect to easing pressure of my lower back (with which I have had some problems lately and because of which I can tell immediately which seats "work" for me and which don't).

I don't think the bolsters are adjustable in any way, so I think you should definitely try to sit it one before you pull the trigger...and I think they'll be in the US Feb 9 so that's not too far away.

I don't see the B-pillar intruding on shoulder space. The car is quite wide. And I didn't notice any problems with the footwell. (I felt the footwell in the A4 was cramped when I test drove the car.)
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I think seats can be quite personal. From my standpoint I found them more comfortable with respect to easing pressure of my lower back (with which I have had some problems lately and because of which I can tell immediately which seats "work" for me and which don't).

I don't think the bolsters are adjustable in any way, so I think you should definitely try to sit it one before you pull the trigger...and I think they'll be in the US Feb 9 so that's not too far away.

I don't see the B-pillar intruding on shoulder space. The car is quite wide. And I didn't notice any problems with the footwell. (I felt the footwell in the A4 was cramped when I test drove the car.)
Thanks - it's definitely subjective, but if you'd told me that it was a non-starter I would have moved on to the next option. As is, I'll await the arrival of the demo models.
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