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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-04-2012, 05:27 AM
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I have a question.

Do you have the sense that the top of the line F30 cockpits compare favorably with the top of the line A4/S4?
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Mike,

I'm so relieved to hear about your comments on the steering! Thanks once again for your extreme dedication in testing these cars (again, I can help).

More questions...

(1) how did the F30 handle bumps and potholes?

(2) what are the implications of this so-called "slow" 5-60 time of 7.1s (as Saintor points out) in the real world and on the track? Does it even matter? If it does, when is it relevant? Apparently, this 328i doesn't sound slow at all based on what I read from your immediate thoughts and other reviews that I have read. I'm just open to learn.
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But, I still don't think I would spend more than $50K on a non-M 3 Series (so I would buy a 328i 6MT Sport over the 335i and chip it!). It simply doesn't have the value.
I think that depends on your objective. If you want to get a sporty BMW for minimum cost, no doubt the 328i is the way to go. But if you configure the two and option up the 328i to match the 335i features you come out with the 335i costing only about $3,200 more.

I just ordered a 335i F30 and spent a lot of time configuring/pricing and decided I would spend the $3,200 for the smoothness and sound of the N55. I figure when I trade in 2-3 years I will get back around half that $3,200 in increased trade in value anyway, so that made the decision easier.

I took one listen to a N20 in a 528i at idle and that sealed the deal for the 335i for me.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:10 AM
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I haven't read through my press materials... but the white car in my driveway has "Adaptive M Suspension" for $900, so I will likely find out!

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Thanks Mike, your notes and observations are so helpful. There has been almost no information released about this option. The concept seems like a good idea, but it's tough to pull the trigger on a $900 option that you don't understand.

Any info you can provide or differences in handling noted would be great.
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Mike, do you happen to know if the US cars have been tuned any differently than the EU counterparts? I'm referring to things like handling, steering, road feel, transmission, engine, etc.
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How is the MT with the cupholders in use?
I hope there is enough clearance to shift without banging knuckles on the cups.
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what are the implications of this so-called "slow" 5-60 time of 7.1s (as Saintor points out) in the real world and on the track?
For the record, I don't think that 5-60mph in 7.1s is "slow". It is brisk and adequate, but it is no better than 328i/528i N52.

However there is definitely a ring of truth that its 0-60mph in 5.6-5.9 is misleading and achieved only with abuse (as they all are). But specially with small turbo engines.
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Hey Mike, so there's more road noise in the F30 than the E90 sedans? Is the road noise the same for both the 328i and the 335i?
The same or marginally less (impossible to determine without instruments). Not annoying for a BMW guy, but go from something like a Chrysler 300 and the F30 sounds loud.

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I would guess per usual ditching the RFT's would lessen the road noise somewhat.
The tires on my car are brand-new, as quiet as can be. I don't blame them.

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I have a question.

Do you have the sense that the top of the line F30 cockpits compare favorably with the top of the line A4/S4?
Every bit as good or better. I spent another four hours behind the wheel today (another 250 miles) and I really like the cockpit. Great materials and fit and finish.

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Mike,

I'm so relieved to hear about your comments on the steering! Thanks once again for your extreme dedication in testing these cars (again, I can help).

More questions...

(1) how did the F30 handle bumps and potholes?

(2) what are the implications of this so-called "slow" 5-60 time of 7.1s (as Saintor points out) in the real world and on the track? Does it even matter? If it does, when is it relevant? Apparently, this 328i doesn't sound slow at all based on what I read from your immediate thoughts and other reviews that I have read. I'm just open to learn.
With the Adaptive M Suspension, it rides tight. However, it handles sharp impacts very, very well. We have a place where the city workers have "patched" the street over a thin pipe. The asphalt is raised abruptly about two inches... and most cars "bang" over it. The F30 with Adaptive M Suspension sucks it up incredibly well.

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Thanks Mike, your notes and observations are so helpful. There has been almost no information released about this option. The concept seems like a good idea, but it's tough to pull the trigger on a $900 option that you don't understand.

Any info you can provide or differences in handling noted would be great.
There is a big difference between SPORT and COMFORT. It defaults to COMFORT when you start the car, but you can select SPORT immediately. Truth is COMFORT is a great all-around setting while SPORT is a bit harsh.

The handling on my car is tire limited (225s -- all season rubber -- on all four corners). The chassis can handle much more.

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Mike, do you happen to know if the US cars have been tuned any differently than the EU counterparts? I'm referring to things like handling, steering, road feel, transmission, engine, etc.
Should be identical.

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How is the MT with the cupholders in use?
I hope there is enough clearance to shift without banging knuckles on the cups.
The cupholders are too wide (without the springy things) to hold a medium Red Bull. No clearance issues, but they are not in my favorite location.

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For the record, I don't think that 5-60mph in 7.1s is "slow". It is brisk and adequate, but it is no better than 328i/528i N52.

However there is definitely a ring of truth that its 0-60mph in 5.6-5.9 is misleading and achieved only with abuse (as they all are). But specially with small turbo engines.
The N20 328i feels very quick, regardless of its 0-60 time. There is nobody (but an idiot) who would call it a slouch. It is nearly as fast as the 335i in every real-world situation... you have to trust me.

Yes, everybody beats the hell out of their cars to get killer times... none of us would drive like that. I have done 0-60 times, and I feel the need to apologize to the car afterwards.

BTW, I drove a '12 Audi R8 V10 6MT Spyder today. It has 525 horses and it lit up all four wheels... now, that is impressive power.

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I think that depends on your objective. If you want to get a sporty BMW for minimum cost, no doubt the 328i is the way to go. But if you configure the two and option up the 328i to match the 335i features you come out with the 335i costing only about $3,200 more.

I just ordered a 335i F30 and spent a lot of time configuring/pricing and decided I would spend the $3,200 for the smoothness and sound of the N55. I figure when I trade in 2-3 years I will get back around half that $3,200 in increased trade in value anyway, so that made the decision easier.

I took one listen to a N20 in a 528i at idle and that sealed the deal for the 335i for me.
As mentioned, I drove another 250+ miles today... and I am really falling for the 335i. Good choice.

Heading to dinner in it right now!

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Every bit as good or better. I spent another four hours behind the wheel today (another 250 miles) and I really like the cockpit. Great materials and fit and finish.



With the Adaptive M Suspension, it rides tight. However, it handles sharp impacts very, very well. We have a place where the city workers have "patched" the street over a thin pipe. The asphalt is raised abruptly about two inches... and most cars "bang" over it. The F30 with Adaptive M Suspension sucks it up incredibly well.



There is a big difference between SPORT and COMFORT. It defaults to COMFORT when you start the car, but you can select SPORT immediately. Truth is COMFORT is a great all-around setting while SPORT is a bit harsh.

The handling on my car is tire limited (225s -- all season rubber -- on all four corners). The chassis can handle much more.

- Mike
Which car specifically are talking about here? does the sportline come with all season rubber?
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As mentioned, I drove another 250+ miles today... and I am really falling for the 335i. Good choice.

Heading to dinner in it right now!

- Mike
I'm glad to see you are testing all aspects of the car. As a status meter, let us know if the valet decided to park it in front...
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Which car specifically are talking about here? does the sportline come with all season rubber?
It's a 335i 6MT Sport Line with the standard Sport Line 18" wheel/tires - not the 19" staggered upgrade.
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It's a 335i 6MT Sport Line with the standard Sport Line 18" wheel/tires - not the 19" staggered upgrade.
So, standard sportline 18" come with all season and not summer performance? im not sure about that...i thought his test 335i was a luxury model...
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Which car specifically are talking about here? does the sportline come with all season rubber?
Yes, with the standard 18-inch double-spokes. I am checking the brand/model of the tires right now, to see if the cars at the track had the same rubber.

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I'm glad to see you are testing all aspects of the car. As a status meter, let us know if the valet decided to park it in front...
Doubt it. Mostly goes unnoticed as just another 3 Series (a dime a dozen out here).

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It's a 335i 6MT Sport Line with the standard Sport Line 18" wheel/tires - not the 19" staggered upgrade.
Exactly.

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So, standard sportline 18" come with all season and not summer performance? im not sure about that...i thought his test 335i was a luxury model...
See above. I personally think it sucks that the "Sport Line" has 225 rubber on all four corners. My base Audi A4 (FWD) has 245 rubber on all four corners!

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Okay, I think I found the problem.

My 335i Sport Line is riding on Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Season RFT (V-rated) tires (treadwear 500 A A).

The 335i Sport Line cars on the track were riding on Pirelli Cinturato P7 RFT (Y-rated) tires (treadwear 260 A A).

My tires do suck, but I think there is a mistake. The night before I drove home, BMW told me that they would put new tires on my car before I took it. Nice of them... but the guys at the track seem to have put the all-season rubber on instead of the high-performance compound.

I am checking with BMW right now.

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How is the MT with the cupholders in use?
I hope there is enough clearance to shift without banging knuckles on the cups.
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The cupholders are too wide (without the springy things) to hold a medium Red Bull. No clearance issues, but they are not in my favorite location.

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From the photos it looks like there is a cover over the cupholders and then another compartment with a hinged door above the cupholders. Then there is what looks like yet another compartment cover just below the radio.

If the F30 you're driving is the final US configuration, how are the compartments set up? Is that compartment below the radio an ashtray and the one below it covered storage?

I'm asking because I usually install the controls and displays for the V-1 etc. in my car's console. Does it look like a V-1 remote will fit in one of those compartments?
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I think that depends on your objective. If you want to get a sporty BMW for minimum cost, no doubt the 328i is the way to go. But if you configure the two and option up the 328i to match the 335i features you come out with the 335i costing only about $3,200 more.

I just ordered a 335i F30 and spent a lot of time configuring/pricing and decided I would spend the $3,200 for the smoothness and sound of the N55. I figure when I trade in 2-3 years I will get back around half that $3,200 in increased trade in value anyway, so that made the decision easier.

I took one listen to a N20 in a 528i at idle and that sealed the deal for the 335i for me.
That was my same situation. I was only a couple of thousand difference and really love the 6, have owned one before so I just had to go for the 335i. I was pretty set on getting the 328i, but had to go with the 335i when it came down to it.

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Well I drove a X1 N20 last spring and I will reserve the "very quick" attribute to the 335i.
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The VAG TFSI 2.0-liter turbo in my A4 is smoother than the BMW N20.
Does it mean that you would prefer the F30 328i with the 2 liter TFSI engine over the N20?
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And i drove the N20 z4, its very quick.
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test drove the z4 n20 yesterday... it's a very good v4 indeed (other than the diesel feel to it), but really can't compare it to the i-6 which is probably worth the difference once bmw releases the power bump.
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test drove the z4 n20 yesterday... it's a very good v4 indeed (other than the diesel feel to it), but really can't compare it to the i-6 which is probably worth the difference once bmw releases the power bump.
Should be interesting when and what the power bump will be. I tested the z4 n20 also, did you drive a stick or the zf?
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Okay, I think I found the problem.

My 335i Sport Line is riding on Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Season RFT (V-rated) tires (treadwear 500 A A).

The 335i Sport Line cars on the track were riding on Pirelli Cinturato P7 RFT (Y-rated) tires (treadwear 260 A A).

My tires do suck, but I think there is a mistake. The night before I drove home, BMW told me that they would put new tires on my car before I took it. Nice of them... but the guys at the track seem to have put the all-season rubber on instead of the high-performance compound.

I am checking with BMW right now.

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Yea, the tires you have are not for sporty driving at all lol, i really hope some summer tires come on customer cars ...something in the 200-300 tread wear rating will be sticky enough for me
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