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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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@Emission sorry if I missed this, what were your lap times in the F30?
I have no idea. It is a street car, on street tires, so I wasn't setting any records. More important was that the oil temp never went above 240F and the brakes never overheated. The weak link was the tires.

BTW, I found a way to program the Adaptive M Suspension just the way I like it... set it to "SPORT" and then "configure sport settings." Uncheck the "chassis" button and then exit. This will add weight to the steering and speed up throttle response but leave the suspension on soft. Perfect.

In that configuration, pressing the rocker to "Sport+" will firm up the shocks and program a bit more leeway into the DTC. I like it.

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Old 02-11-2012, 06:07 AM
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BTW, I found a way to program the Adaptive M Suspension just the way I like it... set it to "SPORT" and then "configure sport settings." Uncheck the "chassis" button and then exit. This will add weight to the steering and speed up throttle response but leave the suspension on soft. Perfect.

In that configuration, pressing the rocker to "Sport+" will firm up the shocks and program a bit more leeway into the DTC. I like it.
That is absolutely FANTASTIC and cements my decision to check the Adaptive M Suspension box. Thank you so much for posting that.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:03 PM
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That is absolutely FANTASTIC and cements my decision to check the Adaptive M Suspension box. Thank you so much for posting that.
Without question, the Adaptive M Suspension is a "must have" option.

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Without question, the Adaptive M Suspension is a "must have" option.

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If I may check whether my preference is similar to yours as regards suspension, can you pls tell me how you find the standard suspension on the F10, compared to a F10 with dynamic/active suspension (DHP) and its rocker switch on sport (if you have compared them)?

Also, how is the F10 with dynamic/active suspension (DHP) with rocker switch in soft vs medium vs sport (as in whether sport is sufficiently tight, and whether the variance between medium and sport is sufficiently wide?) - generally how the switch changes the drive on the F10 compared to the F30)?
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Does adaptive M have more than 2 settings, and can those settings be set independent of the comfort/sport switch?
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Without question, the Adaptive M Suspension is a "must have" option.

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If I may check whether my preference is similar to yours as regards suspension, can you pls tell me how you find the standard suspension on the F10, compared to a F10 with dynamic/active suspension (DHP) and its rocker switch on sport (if you have compared them)?

Also, how is the F10 with dynamic/active suspension (DHP) with rocker switch in soft vs medium vs sport (as in whether sport is sufficiently tight, and whether the variance between medium and sport is sufficiently wide?) - generally how the switch changes the drive on the F10 compared to the F30)?
Ah... it has been a long time since I last drove the F10 with the dynamic suspension, but I believe it is more sophisticated. See more below...

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Does adaptive M have more than 2 settings, and can those settings be set independent of the comfort/sport switch?
The optional Adaptive M Suspension seems to have just two settings (COMFORT and SPORT) but the standard Driving Dynamics Control has four settings on this Sport Line vehicle (ECO PRO, COMFORT, SPORT and SPORT+). There is just one rocker which controls both, but you may customize settings via iDrive.

That said, there is a big difference between COMFORT and SPORT. The default COMFORT setting is sporty and fun I like it best. The SPORT mode is a bit to "nervous" for my street driving tastes, as it really lets all of the sharp impacts come through. There is body roll in both settings, and SPORT does not mean it reacts like a Porsche... just that the body motions are under better control.

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That said, there is a big difference between COMFORT and SPORT. The default COMFORT setting is sporty and fun I like it best. The SPORT mode is a bit to "nervous" for my street driving tastes, as it really lets all of the sharp impacts come through. There is body roll in both settings, and SPORT does not mean it reacts like a Porsche... just that the body motions are under better control.
Does the suspension get raised/lowered as a result of this setting?
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:18 PM
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Does the suspension get raised/lowered as a result of this setting?
The Sport Line suspension is 10 mm lower than the standard suspension by default (with or without the adaptive system). Adding the Adaptive M Suspension does not seem to alter ride height.

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The optional Adaptive M Suspension seems to have just two settings (COMFORT and SPORT) but the standard Driving Dynamics Control has four settings on this Sport Line vehicle (ECO PRO, COMFORT, SPORT and SPORT+). There is just one rocker which controls both, but you may customize settings via iDrive.

That said, there is a big difference between COMFORT and SPORT. The default COMFORT setting is sporty and fun I like it best. The SPORT mode is a bit to "nervous" for my street driving tastes, as it really lets all of the sharp impacts come through. There is body roll in both settings, and SPORT does not mean it reacts like a Porsche... just that the body motions are under better control.

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Mike,

How does the suspension of sport line with adaptive M suspension set in COMFORT mode compare with the suspension of the luxury modern base lines? Is the damping firmness about the same?

If they are about the same, as I plan on only driving on the streets (where you preferred the COMFORT setting for the suspension) would it make more sense, in terms of the suspension, for me to purchase the luxury, modern, or base model and save the $900 required to get the adaptive M suspension on the sport line?
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That is a really tough question... very subjective based on my "ass tuning." Plus, it would require back-to-back test drives on the identical road (something I didn't do).

Complicating things are the wheels/tires. The all-season tires will be smoother than the high-performance rubber and the 17-inch wheels will ride better than the 19-inch wheels. So many variables...

My gut says the adaptive M suspension is softer than the standard suspension in COMFORT and firmer than the sport suspension in SPORT. For $900, it really is a steal.

If you don't want adaptive M suspension, and want a good ride, go with the small wheels and the non-sport models.

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If you don't want adaptive M suspension, and want a good ride, go with the small wheels and the non-sport models.
Unfortunately, adding any line gets 18" wheels.
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Unfortunately, adding any line gets 18" wheels.
Not in the UK. My sports line will come with 17 inch wheels
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Not in the UK. My sports line will come with 17 inch wheels
Lucky. No advantage to BMW 18s and RFTs...they're just heavy.
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Lucky. No advantage to BMW 18s and RFTs...they're just heavy.
Not true with the F30 wheels/tires. the 18x8" and 225/40/18 run flats on the sport line 328i weigh in at 51 lbs.

F30 3 series wheel weights

That's about the same as my 18" non run flats were on my e46 330i.
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Lucky. No advantage to BMW 18s and RFTs...they're just heavy.
Why did BMW put 18s? Is it purely cosmetic, then?
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It is sheer insanity that BMW is running 225-width tires (square set-up, no less). They are compromising handling and grip for aerodynamics, ride and fuel economy.

My non-sport FWD A4 (a commuter car) comes with 245-width tires... my contact patch is larger than that on a BMW 3 Series Sport?

Okay... rant over... but I am not done complaining...

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Not true with the F30 wheels/tires. the 18x8" and 225/40/18 run flats on the sport line 328i weigh in at 51 lbs.

F30 3 series wheel weights

That's about the same as my 18" non run flats were on my e46 330i.
Are you saying equally wide non RFT 17s wouldn't be lighter?

BTW, what happened to the staggered set up? My 2003 ZHP came with 255s on the back. Loved the way that cars tires looked when walking up behind the car...
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I'll bet the staggered set up is yet another thing being saved for M Sport, or else it's just more cost cutting (not that it's reflected in the MSRP).
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Mike,

I've been looking at the build-your-own tool on the BMW site, but cannot find anything referring to the Adaptive M Suspension. Can you tell me where I can find it?

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Mike,

I've been looking at the build-your-own tool on the BMW site, but cannot find anything referring to the Adaptive M Suspension. Can you tell me where I can find it?

Thanks,

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There is a long-standing bug on the BMW site... it does not list adaptive suspension. You can order it on the Sport line *only* (a $900 option). The dealer can add it. You can also go to bmwconfig.com and see it there.

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And, that is exactly why I made that point.

I have no plans to buy an N20 either.

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Drove the N20 extensively...not bad for a car...just not what I have always loved about BMW...actually, sound & feel kinda SUCKED.
328i not an option.
335i with the upcoming power bump...or of course, the M3 (hopefully BMW won't screw that up?)
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Thank you so much for the sacrifice, hard work and time you spent testing all these cars for us, it must have been tough. Next time, let me help out ok?

Ugh, I felt a knot in my stomach with regards to your feedback about the N20. This isn't good. I have a feeling I'll ultimately decide to keep my naturally aspirated inline 6 until it falls apart or trade it in for an new 328i E93 in its last year of production so I can hold on to it longer, then get a NA-flat six porsche when it dies. It may not have the 0-60 time posted by the newfangled 4-banger, but I just get so much fun out of how it sounds and reacts while remaining so composed. I like how it is rev-happy in a way that allows you to push it without breaking the speed limit. These things put a smile to my face. I don't think I'll ever grow tired of it and I'll likely miss it once it's gone. Plus, on a side note, the common thread to all BMW reliability issues has been the HPFP failures in the turbocharged models. Will this hit the N20 as well?! Is BMW putting all of its eggs in one basket by turbocharging everything in sight?
+1...EVERY time I test drive a FI BMW...then get back into one of my 2 NA BMW (2.5 N52 & 4.0 S65)...the buttery smooth sound & feel of that very linear power band is a automotive symphony...and BMW has now LOST & forfeited this
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BMW did not screw up the 3 Series with the launch of the F30. It is a much better street car than the E9x, E46, E36...

So, the engines are a bit odd. We will get used to them.

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I know that you just can't stand hard facts with your pink glasses, but we'll talk later when C&D will publish a 328i full road test including a new 5-60mph.

Here is a shocker for ya; it won't be better than 6.1s (Camry V6's time).

I am saying all of this despite I *hate* Toyota, much less a Camry. The 328i F30 is likely to be my next car, because I can't justify the 8000$C for the Canadian 335i.
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Okay, I just drove nearly 6 hours in the F30 335i 6MT (with one quick stop for a Red Bull).

Cutting to the chase, the uber-refined N55 really sweetened the deal. While it is only marginally quicker than the N20, a light throttle application is met by that oh-so-familiar inline-6 growl and a push in the back. So cool. So BMW.

It's smoothness was appreciated... even though I often forget how good it really is. If you can swing the 335i, I'd go for it.

My fuel economy was 29 mpg in "eco mode" for the first 150 miles. Then I went to "sport" and earned 31 mpg. Truth is, the engine is so green it is still breaking it (it hit 1,500 miles on the odo just before I got home).

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Yes, YES 1,000x yes...I have come to the conclusion, based on my own experience and the far, far more perceptive experience conveyed thru your posts...that the F30 328i is a good car for those who are fans of or used to driving Toyotas, Nissans and the like...and the 335i and up will be for true BMW enthusiasts...oh those inline 6's and even that magic *8 (S65).
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