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7 Series - E65 / E66 (2002 - 2008)
Discussion of BMW's 4th generation E65/E66 7 Series flagship. The E65 generated much controversy, due to its radical styling and iDrive user difficulties. Nonetheless, the E65 broke records to become the best-selling 7-series iteration ever, especially after its 2005 facelift.

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Old 05-01-2012, 11:46 PM
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Hi 7-Drivers,

i done it all today, but reading or conding with NCS dosent Work my TCU has Codierindex 21 end of 2007 any Idea's. My Phone found the TCU and in the MMi it Works like a Chamre only Paring is Impossible.

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Whats the part number of the TCU you have fitted? You will need to make some dummy changed to the VO so that NCS can communicate with the new TCU. I am getting alot of questions about this, I will compile a more detailed DIY on this subject in the week.
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:08 AM
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Hey stuartjohn24

84.109171347-01 its from 21.08.2007

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Old 05-02-2012, 04:23 AM
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do a dummy change and dont actually write this vo to the cas/lma.
hi stuartjohn24 thanks for answer
could you explain what mean "dummy change"
and also why not write to FA car? I did this already
I`m bought this unit 9174261 waiting for delivery.

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Old 05-02-2012, 06:02 AM
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So it Works,

After a Reflash with WinKFP the Unit Works very well. But BMW Assist dosent Work anymore. I have coded SA633 on aktive in NAV but is it Grey any ideas ?.

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Old 05-03-2012, 06:40 AM
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So I finally found the time today to make the TCU transplant. True to the well proven principle of nothing ever being as easy as one hopes for, of course it was not a plug and play affair.

My car is a 750i built on Feb 28, 2005 so an early facelift car and it had the crippled Bluetooth TCU (p/n 84.11 6946328-01) manufactured in Feb '05.

Because of this I expected the new TCU to just drop in - which it did not. I had already checked that the old TCU had a 54-pin connector. So I expected the 54-pin plug on the car end to easily plug into the TCU - but as it turned out the new TCU's 54-pin receptacle is just a little bit different. The guide tracks for the plug are a little bit narrower on one end, which stopped the car's connector from being pushed all the way down. I did not realize this because the difference is so small that you won't see it unless you know about it, so I just figured I needed a little more force. With the result that I broke off the little white locking lever on the plug.

Rather than attack the TCU's connector with a knife, I slid the two contact blocks out of the cover and pressed them directly onto the pins. Now I just hope the pinout is the same and just the connectors different.

Also the new TCU has four antenna connectors while the old only had 2 (black and white). I matched the colors with the new TCU. What are the other 2 for and do I need them?

I ran out of time so I haven't done any coding. Right now the Communications display in the MMI looks just like it did before, with most selections grayed out, and it just says "NO NETWORK!"

I suspect (hope) this is just because the MMI still expects to see the old TCU because the old SA638 option is still in the VO. I just hope the TCU pinouts are the same so I don't have to take the trunk apart again and rebuild the connector.

At least the new TCU has power, because the MOST connector (which is the same) lit up red. So the power part of the pinout seems to be the same.

So any suggestions about what my next step should be would be greatly appreciated...

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Old 05-03-2012, 10:31 AM
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Back from the car after I tried to read the new TCU and it didn't go all that well.

If I try to read it with INPA I get an error message about finding a TELE60_3 unit while epecting a TELE60_2. Makes sense and confirms that there is at least a communications link present.

I then made a "fake" change of the production date to #0904, and removing option 638 and adding 633. I then read the MMI and the trace confirmed TEL_BLUETOOTH and BLUETOOTH_HANDY are set to active (I had coded the MMI previously).

But when I try to read the TCU the job runs for maybe 30 seconds and then throws an error referring to the wrong coding index. I tried C03 first, then C06. C03 is what NCS put up in the dialog box - I guess that's what it wants to use based on the FA?

Any suggestions? I haven't changed the VIN of the TCU yet, could that be the problem?





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are you sure that production date is correct? 0904?
and also NCS is setted right? does it connect with other stuff in the car?did you update SP-Daten?
I can send you my NCS which is working fine for me
I reckon VIN is not important, but should be changed using tool 32

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Old 05-03-2012, 11:34 AM
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I got the 0904 date from a post on this thread but I just realized maybe that is September 04, not April 09. Forgot if it's MMYY or YYMM.

I have used NCS to successfully code the MMI (e.g. VIM) so I know it works. It also both read and coded the MMI today using the 0904 production date, it's just the new TCU it will not read.

I assume NCS communicates with the TCU over the MOST network, so even if the 54-pin connector is not wired right they should communicate since I know the TCU has power and its MOST is active.

Please share your NCS setup, much appreciated!
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try to use WINKFP RE-FLASH SOFTWARE AND TRY CHANGE VIN

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Old 05-03-2012, 03:07 PM
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I got the 0904 date from a post on this thread but I just realized maybe that is September 04, not April 09. Forgot if it's MMYY or YYMM.

I have used NCS to successfully code the MMI (e.g. VIM) so I know it works. It also both read and coded the MMI today using the 0904 production date, it's just the new TCU it will not read.

I assume NCS communicates with the TCU over the MOST network, so even if the 54-pin connector is not wired right they should communicate since I know the TCU has power and its MOST is active.

Please share your NCS setup, much appreciated!
Thats correct, you will need to use a newer production date, try #0307.

Yes the TCU is coded via the MOST bus via the central gateway module, which in turn communicates to the OBD interface.

Well done on getting it fitted! you may need to change the chassis info like mine, depends on what BMW it was salvaged from.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:11 PM
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Why are you re-flashing the module? VIN can be changed in Tool32 using the FG_Schreiben job in the TELE60_3.prg file.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:16 PM
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hi stuartjohn24 thanks for answer
could you explain what mean "dummy change"
and also why not write to FA car? I did this already
I`m bought this unit 9174261 waiting for delivery.

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Hi, I guess you have answered a few of these questions by now, Dummy change is edit the VO but without writing it to the CAS or LMA.

Why not??? I bricked my original LMA while writing the VO! low system voltage, be warned! just retrofitting an LM2 at the moment.

Hope the retrofit goes well!
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:16 AM
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Progress!

I managed to read the TCU today by changing production date to #0307 and changing the index from C02, which NCS wanted to use, to C03.

It resulted in the following trace file:

** Trace File Removed as it was locking up the thread **

It has the two bluetooth parameters set to active but the MMI would still keep looking for the old TCU and I had no phone fuctions at all.

I then connected to the TCU with Tool32 and found I could run all the read jobs successfully, so I decided to see if my iPhone could see the car, and to my surprise it did. I initiated a pairing from the phone, which completed instantly!

This brought the comms screen on the MMI partly to life, and I can now make and receive calls using the popout keypad, the hands free works perfectly, the iDrive displays the name of my iPhone, signal strength, caller ID, etc.

What I do not have is any of the menu items corresponding to the new phone system. There is no pairing menu, only a non-functional "Bluetooth" item in the settings menu, and none of the Missed, Last, A-Z etc selections work. And of course no phone book synchronization.

So what is obviously the case is that the TCU works and talks to the keypad, microphone, etc. but the MMI still expects to talk to the old model TCU. Could this be because the TCU still has the donor car's VIN?

Or maybe it is because the (facelift) MMI is still coded at the C02 level and ignores the Bluetooth parameters? How can I fix this? Simply changing the number in the popup box won't work.

Can someone look at these traces and see if I have missed anything?

Is it safe to write the new VIN to the TCU using Tool32? How long does that code take (afraid of running into the low battery issue)?
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:15 PM
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Let's see if I can post now without locking up the thread

I have managed to code both the TCU and MMI with a simulated production date, to adapt them both to the current status of the car. The result is the same: the pairing I initiated from the phone still holds and I can make and receive calls, the keypad and handsfree work etc.

But I do not have the phone settings menu on the MMI, still just the old on/off toggle (which fell off the lower part of the video), and none of the items in the comms menu work:



So the MMI behaves as if it expects the old TCU.

This is what I did:
  1. Code VIN into TCU using Tool32
  2. Run NCS, load expertprofile.
  3. Load VO, remove old production date, insert #0307.
  4. Remove $638 option, add $633.
  5. Code TCU using SG_CODIEREN job. After coding is complete NCS shows it has used TCU15MOS.C12 and TELE60_3.PRG data. Fine.
  6. Code MMI using SG_CODIEREN job. After coding is complete NCS shows it has used MMI_E65.C03 data.
  7. MMI reboots in German language thereby confirming it has really been coded. No pairing or phone settings menus.


MMI trace file looks correct:


Code:
BAUREIHE
	e65
KEY_MEMORY_MMI
	aktiv
WELLENBAND_MW
	aktiv
LETZTES_MENUE
	aktiv
ANIMATION_SCHIEBEN_4
	aktiv
FARBSET_4
	farbset_b
PROGR_TASTE_MFL_4
	komfortmode
ANIMATION_SCHIEBEN_1
	aktiv
ANIMATION_SCHIEBEN_2
	aktiv
ANIMATION_SCHIEBEN_3
	aktiv
FARBSET_1
	farbset_b
FARBSET_2
	farbset_b
FARBSET_3
	farbset_b
ASSISTENZFENSTER_1
	kurzinfo
ASSISTENZFENSTER_2
	kurzinfo
ASSISTENZFENSTER_3
	kurzinfo
PROGR_TASTE_MFL_1
	komfortmode
PROGR_TASTE_MFL_2
	komfortmode
PROGR_TASTE_MFL_3
	komfortmode
ASSISTENZFENSTER_4
	kurzinfo
TEL_US_BUSINESS
	nicht_aktiv
TP
	aktiv
WELLENBAND_KW
	aktiv
WELLENBAND_LW
	aktiv
TEMPERATUR_EINHEIT_4
	grad_c
TEMPERATUR_EINHEIT_1
	grad_c
TEMPERATUR_EINHEIT_2
	grad_c
TEMPERATUR_EINHEIT_3
	grad_c
WEG_EINHEIT_4
	km
WEG_EINHEIT_1
	km
WEG_EINHEIT_2
	km
WEG_EINHEIT_3
	km
ZEIT_EINHEIT_1
	24_stunden
ZEIT_EINHEIT_2
	24_stunden
ZEIT_EINHEIT_3
	24_stunden
ZEIT_EINHEIT_4
	24_stunden
IHKA_HIGH
	aktiv
FONDKLIMAANLAGE
	nicht_aktiv
MMI_FOND
	nicht_aktiv
STANDHEIZUNG
	nicht_aktiv
AUSSTATTUNG_DWS
	aktiv
EDC
	nicht_aktiv
PDC_VERBAUT
	aktiv
MONITORBILD_PDC_4
	aktiv
MONITORBILD_PDC_1
	aktiv
MONITORBILD_PDC_2
	aktiv
MONITORBILD_PDC_3
	aktiv
ASK_LAUFWERK
	cd
AMFMTUNER
	double_tuner
CD_WECHSLER
	aktiv
MULTIMEDIA_CHANGER
	aktiv
VIDEOMODUL
	aktiv
TV_VIDEO_ABSCHALTUNG
	nicht_aktiv
TOP_HIFI
	aktiv
SITZHEIZUNG
	aktiv
ECE_TELEFON
	aktiv
US_TELEFON
	nicht_aktiv
TEL_US_PROFESSIONAL
	nicht_aktiv
TEL_BLUETOOTH
	aktiv
NAVIGATION_VERBAUT
	aktiv
RDC_VERBAUT
	nicht_aktiv
KENNLINIE_LCD
	kl_basis_front
	kl_basis_front_ir
	kl_basis_front_e67
	kl_high_front
	kl_high_front_ir
	kl_high_front_e67
AUFBLENDZEIT_1_LCD
	aufz_1_basis_front
	aufz_1_basis_front_ir
	aufz_1_basis_front_e67
	aufz_1_high_front
	aufz_1_high_front_ir
	aufz_1_high_front_e67
AUFBLENDZEIT_2_LCD
	aufz_2_basis_front
	aufz_2_basis_front_ir
	aufz_2_basis_front_e67
	aufz_2_high_front
	aufz_2_high_front_ir
	aufz_2_high_front_e67
ABBLENDZEIT_1_LCD
	abbz_1_basis_front
	abbz_1_basis_front_ir
	abbz_1_basis_front_e67
	abbz_1_high_front
	abbz_1_high_front_ir
	abbz_1_high_front_e67
ABBLENDZEIT_2_LCD
	abbz_2_basis_front
	abbz_2_basis_front_ir
	abbz_2_basis_front_e67
	abbz_2_high_front
	abbz_2_high_front_ir
	abbz_2_high_front_e67
FAHRZEUGTYP_MMI
	ece_ll
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_1
	deutsch
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_2
	franzoesisch
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_3
	englisch
SPRACHE_1
	deutsch
SPRACHE_2
	deutsch
SPRACHE_3
	deutsch
SPRACHE_4
	deutsch
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_4
	nicht_aktiv
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_5
	nicht_aktiv
WAEHLBARE_SPRACHE_6
	nicht_aktiv
DRUCK_EINHEIT_1
	bar
DRUCK_EINHEIT_2
	bar
DRUCK_EINHEIT_3
	bar
DRUCK_EINHEIT_4
	bar
VERBRAUCH_EINHEIT_1
	l/100km
VERBRAUCH_EINHEIT_2
	l/100km
VERBRAUCH_EINHEIT_3
	l/100km
VERBRAUCH_EINHEIT_4
	l/100km
DATUM_EINHEIT_1
	tt_mm_jj
DATUM_EINHEIT_2
	tt_mm_jj
DATUM_EINHEIT_3
	tt_mm_jj
DATUM_EINHEIT_4
	tt_mm_jj
SDARSTUNER
	nicht_aktiv
ZUHEIZUNG_MMI
	nicht_aktiv
LETZT_VERW_SCHLUESSEL
	schluessel1
NAVI_ASSIST_FOND
	nicht_aktiv
OELSTAND
	aktiv
DTC_BUTTON
	aktiv
HARDKEY_ASK
	aktiv
KLIMA_AUTO
	aktiv
MP3
	aktiv
RDS
	aktiv
TV
	aktiv
NIVI
	nicht_aktiv
LUFTVER
	aktiv
SMS
	nicht_aktiv
LAENDERVARIANTE_BNDB_MMI
	deutschland
E_CALL_COUNTDOWN
	5s
DAB
	nicht_aktiv
DAB_ECE
	nicht_aktiv
HM_VIDEO
	aktiv
IBOC
	nicht_aktiv
MW_AM
	nicht_aktiv
RDC_US
	nicht_aktiv
REG
	aktiv
TP_SELECT
	nicht_aktiv
VIDEOTEXT
	nicht_aktiv
BLUETOOTH_HANDY
	aktiv
AUFSTART_HAUPTMENUE
	aktiv
FARBEINST_ECE_SINGLE
	nicht_aktiv
HILFE
	aktiv
PROGR_TASTE_CONTR_1
	hilfe
PROGR_TASTE_CONTR_2
	hilfe
PROGR_TASTE_CONTR_3
	hilfe
PROGR_TASTE_CONTR_4
	hilfe
SHOW_ERROR_MOST_ECU
	aktiv
ASSIST_HIGH_03
	aktiv
and so does the FA.TRC:

Code:
E65_#0307&V7SW%0472$248$255$261$302$316$322$323$330$356$358$403$415$416$428$430$431$438$442$459$464$470$481$488$494$496$508$521$524$534$541$548$596$601$607$609$612$616$620$633$672$677$696$698$760$775$801$851$863$879$998$9AA*HL81+IPOD-LEDE
Any suggestions before I officially give up on the MMI menus and just feel happy about having phone calls working?

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what years does this work for? I also have the motorola flip phone in my center console and purchased the cp9000bt plug in adapter but the motorola and the cp9000 do not have the same base plug. What all do i need exactly for this to work with my car. Can you please message me thanks
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Thanks Paper

But pairing a different phone isn't likely to make the Phone settings appear in the MMI, is it?

I am pretty sure the phone book synchronization and call lists will not work unless pairing is initiated from the car, not the phone. Which I cannot do since I do not have the pairing menu.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:29 PM
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what years does this work for? I also have the motorola flip phone in my center console and purchased the cp9000bt plug in adapter but the motorola and the cp9000 do not have the same base plug. What all do i need exactly for this to work with my car. Can you please message me thanks
E65/66 cars built before September 06 either have no Bluetooth at all or they have TCU (telematics unit) with a crippled Bluetooth stack that only works with the special BMW handset in cars with the Professional phone option.

All those cars should be able to take this mod assuming they have the phone wiring in place. Pre facelift cars (until March 2005) will need replacement of both TCU and MMI while facelift should cars need just a TCU swap.

Note I say "should" on the last part because while I have a facelift 750i I have not managed to get the MMI to show the full Bluetooth interface, I had to initiate pairing from the phone. I have a very early facelift car though, and I fear my MMI may be missing something because it seems to ignore the Bluetooth coding. So for anyone who upgrades to a facelift MMI make sure it is newer than 09/2006.

On a pre facelift 7 you may need to reconfigure the wiring connectors for the TCU as described in detail by Stuart and Paper earlier in this thread.

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Code this in your MMI for EUROPE Car.
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ECE_TELEFON
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TEL_BLUETOOTH
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BLUETOOTH_HANDY
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Code this in your MMI for NON-EUROPE Car.
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TEL_BLUETOOTH
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Yes had to code Vin & turn on Bluetooth & a few other phone features.

1 thing I must point out is it did not work entirely with the Pre-FaceLift MMI. It would not stay connected & the phone section on the MMI stayed on the pairing page.

But with the FaceLift MMI it functioned properly.

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Paper, I see in this old post of yours that you had to "turn on Bluetooth and a few other options" in your new TCU. Which were those? So far all I have done to my new TCU was change the VIN.
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Code this in your MMI for EUROPE Car.

ECE_TELEFON
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TEL_BLUETOOTH
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BLUETOOTH_HANDY
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Yes, I have these active but still no pairing/phone settings menu. What do you have in your FA?
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$633
Okay. Did you have the $638 and replace it with $633? Did you change the production date or did you leave it as it was? Did you write the VO to CAS/LMA?

I have done this exactly in the same way as others on the thread, and yet my MMI refuses to switch to the full BT menus. Argh.

So either:
  1. My March-05 FL MMI is somehow different and incapable of full BT display so it ignores the BT parameters I have written to it, or
  2. there is something I need to code to the new TCU, other than the VIN, that I have missed, or
  3. my changes to the VO (production date, replace $638 with $633) are wrong or need to be actually coded to the CAS/LMA.

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Okay, that's it. I give up. I have tried everything but the MMI will not display anything other than the old on/off toggle for Bluetooth. I just have to conclude that my MMI must be some sort of half-FL unit that accepts the BLUETOOTH_HANDY and TEL_BLUETOOTH parameters but refuses to adjust the interface to the new TCU.

Do any of you who have a PORTABLE_BT parameter in your TCU trace?

I'll have to settle for being able to make and receive calls and forget about the phone book and call lists.


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