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7 Series - E65 / E66 (2002 - 2008)
Discussion of BMW's 4th generation E65/E66 7 Series flagship. The E65 generated much controversy, due to its radical styling and iDrive user difficulties. Nonetheless, the E65 broke records to become the best-selling 7-series iteration ever, especially after its 2005 facelift.

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Old 03-11-2015, 03:30 PM
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I think that might be the cause. I originally bought a TCU with part number 9224422, took quite a while and couldn't get it to work, checked and found out that was for E70, so I searched for another one based on the info from RealOEM, and bought one with part number 9149615, and it worked straight away. If you can find another for reasonable price, I would say go for it.
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Old 03-12-2015, 02:10 AM
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Your part number 9149615 is on the E65 LCI TCU list
Thanks for confirmation
I will post you when i get one of them from the list
Will be in touch
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:40 PM
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Hello

does the '06 TCUM module work on '02 E65?

I retrofitted one, added option $633, then deleted $630, i can see the TCUM in the list of modules, and I can code it, the problem is when I code MMIGT it doesn't show the bluetooth menu, it shows the old menu for $630 option menu..

Maybe the MMI it's too old and doesn't have a bluetooth menu for TCUM ?

What can I do?
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:18 AM
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You have to change MMI if your car is before 03.2003 for newer
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:31 PM
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I changed MMI with new one 06.2003 , I have bluetooth option in Settings, but when I try to click on it, it doesn't do nothing, doesn't work.. I changed also the year from VO to 0904 and coded MMIGT but bluetooth button in settings doesn't do nothing when I press on it.


what is wrong ?
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:11 PM
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My bluetooth is EVEREST E65 ECE 09.2006 production date...
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Old 05-19-2015, 01:25 PM
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BLUETOOTH TCU modul must be named TCU 1.5 MOST ECE NO EVEREST
You need change TCU if you have other one


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Old 05-22-2015, 02:37 PM
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Hey guys,

the informations in this thread were very helpful to me! After reading all of the posts several times i did the retrofit and succeeded!!
I just wanna tell you guys all of the steps i was going through, including some new coding-settings i discovered to deactivate the SOS-System-Failure-Message, maybe it helps someone...

So my car is a facelift e65 750i with the very early production date of February 2005. It also had the option $638 with the bluetooth-telephone in the cradle.
The TCU 1.5 i purchased has the BMW number: 84109149615 with the production date 26.03.2007. this tcu was previously installed in a bmw e60. My MMI-Firmware was luckily already up-to-date.
So here we start with the steps i did:

Mechanical Replacement

1. Because i have a facelift e65 i just replaced the old tcu with the new one. I had to cut the edges of the plug so it could fit in the new tcu (see Post #554 - very good summary of necessary steps!!). I also had to cut a notch into the mounting-plate, to give more space to the antenna connector. I did not disconnect the cradle in the center console! So this was the easy part.

Software Modifications

2. At first i changed with ToolSet32 the VIN of the module with the command "c_fg_schreiben" (mentioned often in previous posts). I did not change any production date.

3. By using NCSExpert i replaced my VO $638 with the VO $633 and coded it into the ECUs CAS and LMA by using the job "FA_WRITE".

3. After that i coded the MMI with NCSExpert with the following options (mentioned often in previous posts, for example #297, i'm sorry if i don't quote correctly )
TEL_BLUETOOTH
AKTIV
BLUETOOTH_HANDY
AKTIV
ECE_TELEFON
aktiv
HARDKEY_ASK
aktiv

4. Then i coded the new TCU-module (TCU15MOS.C13) with NCSExpert and changed the following options:
BORDNETZ
e65_bordnetz
BACKUP_ANTENNA
nicht_aktiv
BACKUP_LOUDSPEAKER
nicht_aktiv

5. After that i could successful pair my iphone 4s and had full bluetooth functionality. BUT i still had the SOS-System-Failure - Message!! The source of the failure-message was located in the SIM-ECU (NCSExpert)
So i read with NCSExpert the trace-file the SIM-ECU and found some interesting options to deactivate. I set the following options:
UBERWACH_TELEFON
nicht_aktiv
VERBAU_TELEFON
nicht_verbaut


After coding and restart of the car the SOS-Failure-Message was gone!! Maybe this information helps someone out there

Thank you again for the very useful information!!
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by freeriedl View Post
Hey guys,

the informations in this thread were very helpful to me! After reading all of the posts several times i did the retrofit and succeeded!!
I just wanna tell you guys all of the steps i was going through, including some new coding-settings i discovered to deactivate the SOS-System-Failure-Message, maybe it helps someone...

So my car is a facelift e65 750i with the very early production date of February 2005. It also had the option $638 with the bluetooth-telephone in the cradle.
The TCU 1.5 i purchased has the BMW number: 84109149615 with the production date 26.03.2007. this tcu was previously installed in a bmw e60. My MMI-Firmware was luckily already up-to-date.
So here we start with the steps i did:

Mechanical Replacement

1. Because i have a facelift e65 i just replaced the old tcu with the new one. I had to cut the edges of the plug so it could fit in the new tcu (see Post #554 - very good summary of necessary steps!!). I also had to cut a notch into the mounting-plate, to give more space to the antenna connector. I did not disconnect the cradle in the center console! So this was the easy part.

Software Modifications

2. At first i changed with ToolSet32 the VIN of the module with the command "c_fg_schreiben" (mentioned often in previous posts). I did not change any production date.

3. By using NCSExpert i replaced my VO $638 with the VO $633 and coded it into the ECUs CAS and LMA by using the job "FA_WRITE".

3. After that i coded the MMI with NCSExpert with the following options (mentioned often in previous posts, for example #297, i'm sorry if i don't quote correctly )
TEL_BLUETOOTH
AKTIV
BLUETOOTH_HANDY
AKTIV
ECE_TELEFON
aktiv
HARDKEY_ASK
aktiv

4. Then i coded the new TCU-module (TCU15MOS.C13) with NCSExpert and changed the following options:
BORDNETZ
e65_bordnetz
BACKUP_ANTENNA
nicht_aktiv
BACKUP_LOUDSPEAKER
nicht_aktiv

5. After that i could successful pair my iphone 4s and had full bluetooth functionality. BUT i still had the SOS-System-Failure - Message!! The source of the failure-message was located in the SIM-ECU (NCSExpert)
So i read with NCSExpert the trace-file the SIM-ECU and found some interesting options to deactivate. I set the following options:
UBERWACH_TELEFON
nicht_aktiv
VERBAU_TELEFON
nicht_verbaut


After coding and restart of the car the SOS-Failure-Message was gone!! Maybe this information helps someone out there

Thank you again for the very useful information!!
Well done !!
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Old 05-23-2015, 04:21 PM
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:42 PM
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Thanks to all the contributors on this post! I've just chucked my E60 TCU as there was no way of getting it coded and got an e65 one. I followed freeriedl's instructions to the t and it works like a charm! I now have Bluetooth phone

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Old 06-04-2015, 04:32 AM
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So the one here with problems is only me i think. the keypad do not work? May the bluetooth module be from another BMW that do not have keypad?
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by freeriedl View Post
Hey guys,

the informations in this thread were very helpful to me! After reading all of the posts several times i did the retrofit and succeeded!!
I just wanna tell you guys all of the steps i was going through, including some new coding-settings i discovered to deactivate the SOS-System-Failure-Message, maybe it helps someone...

So my car is a facelift e65 750i with the very early production date of February 2005. It also had the option $638 with the bluetooth-telephone in the cradle.
The TCU 1.5 i purchased has the BMW number: 84109149615 with the production date 26.03.2007. this tcu was previously installed in a bmw e60. My MMI-Firmware was luckily already up-to-date.
So here we start with the steps i did:

Mechanical Replacement

1. Because i have a facelift e65 i just replaced the old tcu with the new one. I had to cut the edges of the plug so it could fit in the new tcu (see Post #554 - very good summary of necessary steps!!). I also had to cut a notch into the mounting-plate, to give more space to the antenna connector. I did not disconnect the cradle in the center console! So this was the easy part.

Software Modifications

2. At first i changed with ToolSet32 the VIN of the module with the command "c_fg_schreiben" (mentioned often in previous posts). I did not change any production date.

3. By using NCSExpert i replaced my VO $638 with the VO $633 and coded it into the ECUs CAS and LMA by using the job "FA_WRITE".

3. After that i coded the MMI with NCSExpert with the following options (mentioned often in previous posts, for example #297, i'm sorry if i don't quote correctly )
TEL_BLUETOOTH
AKTIV
BLUETOOTH_HANDY
AKTIV
ECE_TELEFON
aktiv
HARDKEY_ASK
aktiv

4. Then i coded the new TCU-module (TCU15MOS.C13) with NCSExpert and changed the following options:
BORDNETZ
e65_bordnetz
BACKUP_ANTENNA
nicht_aktiv
BACKUP_LOUDSPEAKER
nicht_aktiv

5. After that i could successful pair my iphone 4s and had full bluetooth functionality. BUT i still had the SOS-System-Failure - Message!! The source of the failure-message was located in the SIM-ECU (NCSExpert)
So i read with NCSExpert the trace-file the SIM-ECU and found some interesting options to deactivate. I set the following options:
UBERWACH_TELEFON
nicht_aktiv
VERBAU_TELEFON
nicht_verbaut


After coding and restart of the car the SOS-Failure-Message was gone!! Maybe this information helps someone out there

Thank you again for the very useful information!!
hi Mareks does your telephone in the craddle works now or is disabled now after bluetooth retrofit?
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:28 AM
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Thanks to all the contributors on this post! I've just chucked my E60 TCU as there was no way of getting it coded and got an e65 one. I followed freeriedl's instructions to the t and it works like a charm! I now have Bluetooth phone
I've been looking at doing this mod on my 2004 740d as well. I have a 2007 MMI as well as the interface and programs to code it. Looking at getting a TCU soon.
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Old 06-27-2015, 02:49 PM
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Yup, I just bought a 500s BT with a single FOT, disconnected the MOST plug from the CD changer and plugged it in the Dension. I used the CD changer power supply to power the Dension too as I knew the power would behave how I wanted it to. I have to say I only use it for BT audio and have tested the AUX. I've not tested the iPod interface. I think that's where it falls flat on its face. But it works perfectly with my iPhone 6, I get in, it starts playing. Occasionally I have to manually connect but then I have to do that to the TCU as well, this is mostly if I've jumped in and out of the car but it isn't more than other cars I've had.


Couple questions for you if you don't mind ?
You state you have to manually connect
Your phone to the TCU . Do you think the
Dension is causing you that problem ???
I ask cause My phone automatically
connects to my Retrofit TCU whenever I get
In my car . Also did you do a retrofit of
The TCU & MMI or is your car a Facelift ?
& if you're car is a facelift ? Why didn't
You just do the Oem ipod kit ?
1 more , did you code/program your car for
Ipod ?

I ask because I have installed the 500's
In a retrofit equipped car & everything
worked fine after coding ...

Thank you in advance for taking the
Time to answer my questions ...

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Old 08-22-2015, 08:44 AM
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Need advice

Hello all. I have been reading this post for about a week now. Started from the beginning and i think i undersrand about 70%. So if somebody can fill me in on the remaining 30% i would greatly appreciate it.

So my car is 2007 750Li and i live in Canada/NA (DT66131)
I want to retrofit a newer TCU so i can send music files over the BT.
Here is a picture of myx current TCU:


I found 2 newer TCUs online. My question is: from your experience which one should i get?
First one (im leaning more towards buying this one because it says US on it. The other one is Mexico):

And this is the other one:


But the one from Mex has IMEI and US has ESN. Does that matter?
So after i get it my steps are....??
Correct me if im wrong: 1. Need to put my VIN in new TCU. 2 Tell MMI to communicate with the new unit. Right? Or there is more to it?
I really appreciate your input guys.
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Old 08-23-2015, 03:21 AM
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Hello all. I have been reading this post for about a week now. Started from the beginning and i think i undersrand about 70%. So if somebody can fill me in on the remaining 30% i would greatly appreciate it.



So my car is 2007 750Li and i live in Canada/NA (DT66131)

I want to retrofit a newer TCU so i can send music files over the BT.

Here is a picture of myx current TCU:





I found 2 newer TCUs online. My question is: from your experience which one should i get?

First one (im leaning more towards buying this one because it says US on it. The other one is Mexico):



And this is the other one:





But the one from Mex has IMEI and US has ESN. Does that matter?

So after i get it my steps are....??

Correct me if im wrong: 1. Need to put my VIN in new TCU. 2 Tell MMI to communicate with the new unit. Right? Or there is more to it?

I really appreciate your input guys.

Just to clarify, this retrofit does not allow you to stream music over Bluetooth.
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Old 08-23-2015, 09:07 AM
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Just to clarify, this retrofit does not allow you to stream music over Bluetooth.
I thought, once i connect my phone thru BT, i would be able to see not only phone book and make calls thru idrive, but also play songs i have stored on the phone?
Then my other option is to get Dension gateway500? Its more money but i was considering that option as well.
Last question. If this retrofit doesnt let music streaming, why so many people want it done?
I thought TCU1.5 adds A2DP ability for the BT devices, which is streaming music.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:45 PM
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The TCU does not have A2DP functionality. I have a Dension 500s BT installed with the TCU to cover both uses.

While great for music, the phone functionality of that was very poor (unusable) in my e65.

I retrofitted the TCU because it cost me £70, for a complete OEM hands free solution.
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Old 08-24-2015, 09:05 AM
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I'm almost done with the retrofit on my 2002 e65. The MMI is in and coded. The TCU is in. I flashed it with WinPKF and updated the VIN. I can also talk to the TCU using Tool32 and adjust the options.

The problem is NCSExpert won't talk to the TCU and generate the FSW_PSW.TRC file - NCS does not appear to be using the correct files.

I have tried the date manipulation trick, so I can see TCUM appear on the modules list, but NCS is not using the TCU15MOS file. Has anyone recently managed to get past this?

I can select pair from the MMI, out the code in on the phone, but then it will not complete the pairing process. Any ideas please?
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:42 PM
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Sounds like a similar issue I had with a non e65 TCU, have you got a part number?
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:12 PM
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Sounds like a similar issue I had with a non e65 TCU, have you got a part number?
I'm using a 84109149615 BMW TCU1.5 MOST ECE.

I do believe it was from a non e65, but I didn't take a note if the VIN before I flashed it so no way to tell.

I saw that you binned it. What is the part number of the one you bought?

Up in the thread (#291) politby managed to get it to work by changing .C02 to .C03. Did you try this?

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Old 08-25-2015, 08:48 AM
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The TCU does not have A2DP functionality. I have a Dension 500s BT installed with the TCU to cover both uses.

While great for music, the phone functionality of that was very poor (unusable) in my e65.

I retrofitted the TCU because it cost me £70, for a complete OEM hands free solution.
What is the difference between TCU1 and TCU1.5 then? Last question i will probably ask.
Thanks
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:38 PM
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What is the difference between TCU1 and TCU1.5 then? Last question i will probably ask.

Thanks

The original TCU only establishes a Bluetooth connection with the BMW phone and acts as a phone with its own SIM card.

The 1.5 allows Bluetooth connections from any Bluetooth enabled phone using the HFP protocol though I'm unsure which version of it.
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:42 PM
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I'm using a 84109149615 BMW TCU1.5 MOST ECE.

I do believe it was from a non e65, but I didn't take a note if the VIN before I flashed it so no way to tell.

I saw that you binned it. What is the part number of the one you bought?

Up in the thread (#291) politby managed to get it to work by changing .C02 to .C03. Did you try this?

That part number corresponds to TCU's used by the E65, so as I understand this means it should be workable.

I had tried changing those yes but to no avail. I had initially hoped to be able to use winkfp to flash it but I just couldn't get it to talk to it.

The unit I had was a 2010 e61 unit and I believe it was just too recent to be workable in my car.
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