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7 Series - E65 / E66 (2002 - 2008)
Discussion of BMW's 4th generation E65/E66 7 Series flagship. The E65 generated much controversy, due to its radical styling and iDrive user difficulties. Nonetheless, the E65 broke records to become the best-selling 7-series iteration ever, especially after its 2005 facelift.

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Old 08-30-2015, 03:46 PM
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I can't answer your question directly but remembered reading this post when I was trying with mine.

It didn't work for me but that was user error more than likely!

Hope it helps: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8698154
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Old 08-31-2015, 02:30 PM
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I can't answer your question directly but remembered reading this post when I was trying with mine.

It didn't work for me but that was user error more than likely!

Hope it helps: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8698154
Excellent, that is a great link (thank you) and yes it is exactly the same problem. I tried what was described but it didn't work for me either. I will get in touch with the poster to see if he can offer any other suggestions.

I did have some success though - I used Tool32 to force it into pairing using 1234, and it pairs fine, the address book sync and top 8, last dial etc. so at least I have it working. YaY

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Old 09-01-2015, 02:08 PM
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Cool. I tried that with my E61 TCU but it wasn't consistent enough. Are you keeping it that way or is this an intermediate solution?
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Old 09-01-2015, 02:16 PM
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Seems consistent. Pairs every time. Phonebook is synced. I could live with this.

I did try the process in the WinKPF manual to flash but I don't have the 0pa file so can't complete the flash.

Update: at the moment I can end the call using the idrive button, only if the call is initiated from the idrive. I can't end a call using the steering wheel button, but I can double tap the steering wheel button to dial last number. Not ideal so will hopefully figure out how to flash the e65 version of s/w onto the TCU.

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Old 09-05-2015, 06:59 AM
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Is anyone able to help. I am trying to find someone that has done this mod on an e65 using a 9149615 TCU (mine says 9149615-2, I think it comes in -1 and -2).

I want to confirm if I have the correct ZUSB on my TCU which came from an e70. My theory is that different platforms of car belong to different ZUSB families which is why we can't use a TCU from an e60 or e70, even though it has the same part number.

If someone can confirm TCU part number and ZUSB, I am willing to try flashing my module. You can read the ZUSB using INPA, functional scan UIF.

Thanks in advance.
I bought a used 9149614-03 which came out of an E60. No flashing required, just default coding per NCSExpert, then some manual coding to enable Bluetooth for my 745i.
It came with ZUSB 9149614, last flashed in Dec 2006, but I haven't bothered to update the software.
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Old 09-07-2015, 02:52 PM
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I bought a used 9149614-03 which came out of an E60. No flashing required, just default coding per NCSExpert, then some manual coding to enable Bluetooth for my 745i.
It came with ZUSB 9149614, last flashed in Dec 2006, but I haven't bothered to update the software.
Thanks for that. The problem looks like it happens in pre-facelift cars because it's a bit tricky to connect to the TCU1.5

I will try the date trick again, but can't think of anything else at this point. At least I have it working though.
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Old 09-10-2015, 07:41 PM
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Hi guys,

I was wondering, if I have a ex-Japan model, do I need to get the entertainment system etc all coverted and changed to another region, say US or Euro prior to installing any additional Bluetooth TCU's etc?

Sorry, I'm a first time BMW owner.
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Ok why was my post deleted!?!?


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Old 10-29-2015, 12:11 AM
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Hi,

Did the upgrade from the old $638 option and worked fine in my 2004 E65 without any wiring job, just adapted the female black connector housing by cutting the coding edges to fit the new white mail socket on the new TCU.
Thanks for all these helpfull posts.
However, I can not read SMS messages anymore, the option is grayed, any clues why?

George

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Old 10-29-2015, 04:14 AM
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Did the upgrade from the old $638 option and worked fine in my 2004 E65 without any wiring job, just adapted the female black connector housing by cutting the coding edges to fit the new white mail socket on the new TCU.
Thanks for all these helpfull posts.
However, I can not read SMS messages anymore, the option is grayed, any clues why?

George
It does not support SMS over bluetooth. It also affect your SVS function, but I can live with these little issues.
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Old 10-29-2015, 08:16 AM
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Thanks for that. The problem looks like it happens in pre-facelift cars because it's a bit tricky to connect to the TCU1.5

I will try the date trick again, but can't think of anything else at this point. At least I have it working though.
Hello OCS, I have the same behavior on my 2003 e65.
I replaced the MMI and TCU with newer versions (v3 and 1.5 respectively) and I've got the same working functions as you.

Did you try something else actually ?
I don't have much time on this subject, but I would like to work with you on these problems.


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Old 10-29-2015, 10:50 AM
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Hello OCS, I have the same behavior on my 2003 e65.
I replaced the MMI and TCU with newer versions (v3 and 1.5 respectively) and I've got the same working functions as you.

Did you try something else actually ?
I don't have much time on this subject, but I would like to work with you on these problems.


Thanks
Yes I managed to fix last week after trying lots of things. For information, I tried to update the ZUSB on the module to the correct one for the e65. This did not work, however I was able reflash the original ZUSB and get back to limited functionality.

I got it working 100% by using a different module - one that comes from an e65. After installing this, phone functions work perfect, pairing is good and even the keypad works as it should. The only thing is the SOS error, which can be fixed by adding another antenna or switching this SOS function off by coding. I haven't had a change to do this yet.
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:02 PM
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Yes I managed to fix last week after trying lots of things. For information, I tried to update the ZUSB on the module to the correct one for the e65. This did not work, however I was able reflash the original ZUSB and get back to limited functionality.

I got it working 100% by using a different module - one that comes from an e65. After installing this, phone functions work perfect, pairing is good and even the keypad works as it should. The only thing is the SOS error, which can be fixed by adding another antenna or switching this SOS function off by coding. I haven't had a change to do this yet.
Hello and thanks for your fast answer.

By the way, could you please tell me which model/version/revision/etc... your new TCU has ?
Do you think the same hardware resides in both TCU (the old one which we had the same problems) and the latest one you installed ?
And, by the way, do you think that a flash read from yours and write flash on the old one would work ?
I'm trying to figure this all out because there are people with our TCU 1.5 on pre-facelift models which successfully connected them and had them working perfectly.

There must be a way.
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Old 10-30-2015, 01:45 AM
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The module that worked perfect for me is a 84.10 6983009-01, manufactured 15.09.2005. SW: 09.05.0A HW: 12.01.00

I don't think the new module has the same hardware as the first module I tried (9149615) - this unit has 4 connections, the above only has 3. I'm 99.9% sure there would be other h/w changes inside and the 9149615 module has a newer HW number 18.00.02.

I'm not sure how to do I flash read from the new module, but would be interested to try if you know how.

I tried a flash write on the old module using the WinKFP in expert mode, v2.53 daten and what I believe is the ZUSB s/w that my new module is running but it was not successful (takes about 40 mins). I thought it was bricked but I was able to flash and restore it back to the limited functionality I originally had.

I think I exhausted all avenues and went for the new module route which is what another guy on here did. I know people has reported the old module works perfectly, but I wonder if they actually tried the keypad and to answer/end calls from the steering?

The only thing we have to go on is the BMW lists the old module for the e65. Most of the guys who did this first have sold their cars so we can't use that as a reference. The thing to try would be to load newer prg files for a new platform car and then try and talk to the module using Tool32...I still do believe it can work so let me know if I can help since I have a working install in the car and the old module on my desk.
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Old 10-31-2015, 10:13 AM
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It does not support SMS over bluetooth. It also affect your SVS function, but I can live with these little issues.

The SVS function does work on mine though that was without coding.
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The module that worked perfect for me is a 84.10 6983009-01, manufactured 15.09.2005. SW: 09.05.0A HW: 12.01.00
Everything works with the TCU1.5 installed in my pre-facelift USA spec 745i; keypad, SVS, bluetooth, phonebook download, missed call notification in central display (little envelope)... the only exception being text messages don't show up which I understand doesn't work over bluetooth with these modules.
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The SVS function does work on mine though that was without coding.
Thanks for the info. Mine stopped working properly since the retrofit. I thought it was the SVS module, and bought one from ebay. And I found out that with the car on, if I do a MOST reset by disconnecting the plug in glove box, and reconnect, SVS will work as it should, but after the car is restarted, it wouldn't pick up any input at all. The same happens to both modules that I have.

Everything else is working fine.
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Everything works with the TCU1.5 installed in my pre-facelift USA spec 745i; keypad, SVS, bluetooth, phonebook download, missed call notification in central display (little envelope)... the only exception being text messages don't show up which I understand doesn't work over bluetooth with these modules.
If it works for you, there must be a way to get it working on the module that didn't work (pic attached) for me.

rippjd: can you use INPA functional scan (UIF) and let me know what ZUSB version you are running on the TCUM? I will flash my spare module with this version to try and figure this one out.
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If it works for you, there must be a way to get it working on the module that didn't work (pic attached) for me.

rippjd: can you use INPA functional scan (UIF) and let me know what ZUSB version you are running on the TCUM? I will flash my spare module with this version to try and figure this one out.
I mentioned it in Post #608 above... but to copy from the UIF special function:

ADR Gen. name JobStatus ZB No. VIN No. Date
36 TEL/MULF OKAY 9149614 29.12.2006

You should be running ECE (GSM?) software in your TCU1.5, while I'm running USA (CDMA?), so I wouldn't expect you to use the same .0pa flash file. My flash file is in the TELU15 folder, while yours should be in the TELE15 folder. The below history file has your 9149615 part number:

;Hardwarehistorie vom 25.09.2008 14:12
9142091A G , 9149615A G , 9145119A G , 9155258A G , 9165332A G , 9171347A E , 9177754A G , 9174261A G , 9180340A G , 9180342A G , 9190949A G , 9199976A E , 9193930A G , 9202126A G , 9200486A E , 9205930A E , 9206778A F ;
9122388A G , 9140722A E ;
9169554A G , 9175684A G , 9181276A E , 9180339A G , 9180341A G , 9190948A G , 9199975A E , 9193929A G , 9202125A G , 9200485A E , 9205929A E ;

I would expect WinKFP to suggest flashing to 9206778A.0pa with your hardware.
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I mentioned it in Post #608 above... but to copy from the UIF special function:

ADR Gen. name JobStatus ZB No. VIN No. Date
36 TEL/MULF OKAY 9149614 29.12.2006

You should be running ECE (GSM?) software in your TCU1.5, while I'm running USA (CDMA?), so I wouldn't expect you to use the same .0pa flash file. My flash file is in the TELU15 folder, while yours should be in the TELE15 folder. The below history file has your 9149615 part number:

;Hardwarehistorie vom 25.09.2008 14:12
9142091A G , 9149615A G , 9145119A G , 9155258A G , 9165332A G , 9171347A E , 9177754A G , 9174261A G , 9180340A G , 9180342A G , 9190949A G , 9199976A E , 9193930A G , 9202126A G , 9200486A E , 9205930A E , 9206778A F ;
9122388A G , 9140722A E ;
9169554A G , 9175684A G , 9181276A E , 9180339A G , 9180341A G , 9190948A G , 9199975A E , 9193929A G , 9202125A G , 9200485A E , 9205929A E ;

I would expect WinKFP to suggest flashing to 9206778A.0pa with your hardware.
Thanks rippjd !
I will give it a try maybe later today (not sure).
If it works, I will post back here to tell you
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I would expect WinKFP to suggest flashing to 9206778A.0pa with your hardware.
Looking at the DAT file, I agree that this is the correct flash file, and I think it was the one I tried - but maybe the flashing didn't complete properly for me.

Thanks for posting the ZUSB above - I didn't realise the U vs E suffix, but your explanation looks spot on.
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Can you help me? I have a 04 e65 730d with this TCU. I wanna use my iphone via bluetooth. I have already order a facelift MMI (2007), but I do not know if the old TCU will good for it? PLS help me
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Old 11-27-2015, 08:42 PM
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Thanks rippjd !
I will give it a try maybe later today (not sure).
If it works, I will post back here to tell you
Did you manage to try this yet?
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Hello everyone. I've been reading through this thread and I'm really interested in doing this but I can't seem to find any info on which TCU unit to use. Most of the TCU units pictured here are ECE units and I would need a US TCU unit. I've seen some of you use TCU's from different model BMW's with success and some with no success. Does that matter? I've been going on eBay looking around and I've found the "BMW EVEREST E65 US" model but it doesn't say if it's a TCU1 or 1.5. I've found another one off an E90 that says "BMW TCU1.5 MOST GSM US" made in Mexico with a 17.08.2008 date on it. So can someone help me figure out which unit is going to work for me? I'm doing this on an 02 745Li E66. Thanx in advance.
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