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Old 03-14-2012, 03:45 PM
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I tried all profiles (expert, fister, etc) no difference. While I agree that these cars can be sensitive and that sometimes what works on one won't work on another, I think because we are all having the identical problem with daten files ranging from V32 to V45 (mine) that the problem probably lies with something like the coding index mismatch or the VO needing things added and/or removed. I'm sure this is a solvable problem and now that their are at least 4 of us with the same issue we can get some more focus put on it.


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Ok just used the Fister profile . After I scroll down & choose MMI & hit ok . I get this pop up , this is where you change C02 to C03 & so on .

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Thanks paper, I will give this a go in a sec. Jeff have you tried this?

Jeff, I agree, this must be resolvable I just hope its figured out quick!
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Thanks for your help paper,

Right just tried the fister profile with the option changed to C03, 4 etc... no change.

I guess that proves the theory of trying to communicate expecting the wrong coding level was not the problem.

Its really not happy talking to the facelift MMI.

Not sure what else to try. can the VO really be the problem??? is something conflicting? what does the ASW file mean in the work folder, upon opening it it appears to list the modules or options of the car, at the bottom i notice MMI c02 and c03 listed.

Is NCS expert seeing two MMI's?
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Thanks for your help paper,

Right just tried the fister profile with the option changed to C03, 4 etc... no change.

I guess that proves the theory of trying to communicate expecting the wrong coding level was not the problem.

Its really not happy talking to the facelift MMI.

Not sure what else to try. can the VO really be the problem??? is something conflicting? what does the ASW file mean in the work folder, upon opening it it appears to list the modules or options of the car, at the bottom i notice MMI c02 and c03 listed.

Is NCS expert seeing two MMI's?
How far Did you go up from C02 ?

The weird part about all this is that , I personally put my FaceLift MMI in another members 04 & I had no problems reading or coding it . I then installed it back in my car & still could not read the Damn MMI , I still got the error .

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How far Did you go up from C02 ?

The weird part about all this is that , I personally put my FaceLift MMI in another members 04 & I had no problems reading or coding it . I then installed it back in my car & still could not read the Damn MMI , I still got the error .

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If you have access to that car again you could read the MMI ECU and then make changes for your car and see if NCS will write it to the MMI. You could also check NCS and see what options he has in his VO and compare them to yours. Whatever is different we can look up and see what it's for. Maybe we all have something in our VO that NCS doesn't like or are missing something that by looking at the car that you were able to read the MMI will show us. That car could be the piece we need to solve this puzzle.
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If you have access to that car again you could read the MMI ECU and then make changes for your car and see if NCS will write it to the MMI. You could also check NCS and see what options he has in his VO and compare them to yours. Whatever is different we can look up and see what it's for. Maybe we all have something in our VO that NCS doesn't like or are missing something that by looking at the car that you were able to read the MMI will show us. That car could be the piece we need to solve this puzzle.
I did make changes to the MMI with no problems .

I also wrote down his VO .
I will post his VO in a few .

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How far Did you go up from C02 ?

The weird part about all this is that , I personally put my FaceLift MMI in another members 04 & I had no problems reading or coding it . I then installed it back in my car & still could not read the Damn MMI , I still got the error .

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Paper, did you happen to save a copy of the trace file that got generated when you were able to read your MMI on the 2004 745? I believe it has to be about the VO at this point since you used the same computer, daten files, etc to read the ECU on the other car. Since the MMI had the same config the only variable left (unless I'm missing something which is very possible) is the VO. I am also curious which .C0x file it loaded on the 2004 car. That would let us know if we are at least using the correct file.

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Paper, did you happen to save a copy of the trace file that got generated when you were able to read your MMI on the 2004 745? I believe it has to be about the VO at this point since you used the same computer, daten files, etc to read the ECU on the other car. Since the MMI had the same config the only variable left (unless I'm missing something which is very possible) is the VO. I am also curious which .C0x file it loaded on the 2004 car. That would let us know if we are at least using the correct file.

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Unfortunately I did not save the trace file .

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I did make changes to the MMI with no problems .

I also wrote down his VO .
I will post his VO in a few .

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On a side note do you also have an english translation of all the possible VO options? I got one sent to me yesterday by a member of another forum, but it was huge and I'm not positive it's correct.

Thanks Paper for your help. I think we are close.
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Here is his VO .
#0903
$1CA
$202
$216
$226
$229
$245
$255
$302
$316
$319
$323
$330
$358
$403
$415
$416
$423
$430
$431
$438
$441
$442
$449
$466
$470
$481
$488
$502
$508
$521
$522
$524
$534
$541
$596
$609
$620
$645
$672
$677
$691
$693
$760
$785
$845
$850
$853
$925
$992
%0472
&V7SW
*GN63
-LEDE
& here is his line 3002 from DashSoft
53
0B
B1
FC
43
CF
01
00
The rest of line 3002 was 00 all the way to slot 16 .

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Here is his VO .
#0903
$1CA
$202
$216
$226
$229
$245
$255
$302
$316
$319
$323
$330
$358
$403
$415
$416
$423
$430
$431
$438
$441
$442
$449
$466
$470
$481
$488
$502
$508
$521
$522
$524
$534
$541
$596
$609
$620
$645
$672
$677
$691
$693
$760
$785
$845
$850
$853
$925
$992
%0472
&V7SW
*GN63
-LEDE
& here is his line 3002 from DashSoft
53
0B
B1
FC
43
CF
01
00
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Thanks. I'll try and see what each is for and compare with mine tomorrow. I think we should all post our VO's to see if we have something in common.
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I made a topic regarding VO . Look up my topics & there is a link there that will give you your specific VO according to your VIN . Then you can compare what your VIN gives you & what NCS gives you

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Hi Guys,

My facelift MMI turned up yesterday, managed to get it from a guy in Lithuania, £130 which was pretty good!
As long as you do not think too much of where that MMI came from... Lots of chop up shops in LT where parts from cars stolen all over EU, or imported from the U.S with salvage titles, are Frankensteined into "good as new" cars sold again in the EU to unsuspecting buyers.

Not suggesting Lithuania is a land of crooks, I know lots of honest folks there, but the car repair business is interesting...
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Hi politby,

the thought had crossed my mind, they seem to be breaking a number of these cars, it does look suspicious!

Jeff, I painstakingly translated the VO options yesterday, I dont have the full list on this computer, I do have the full translated copy of just my VO though if your interested?

E65_#1001&U6FA%0475|7521643|7521902

*GL62 - E65 N62B44 RL ECE SITZMEMORY_FA STEPTRONIC SERVOTRONIC //745i EUR RL

$169 - EU3 Emissions standard
$202 - Steptronic, line is needed for PPP's
$216 - Servotronic
$229 - Active roll stabilisation to 03/05
$245 - Electric steering column adjustment
$261 - Side airbags for rear passengers
$268 - Light-alloy wheels with mixed tires front: LM 245/50 R19, rear: LM 275/45 R19 (Styling 95)
$302 - Alarm: DWA with interior protection and emergency siren
$316 - Automatic Boot Lid
$323 - Soft Close Automatic with child protection
$415 - Electric rear window sunshade
$416 - 0415 as including electric side window sunshade.
$423 - Front and rear velor mats
$428 - Warning triangle and first aid kit
$431 - Mirror control
$438 - Fine-wood trim Ash Grain dark
$441 - Smoking package
$442 - Front and rear cup holders
$453 - Active seat ventialtion front
$454 - Active seat ventilation rear
$456 - Electric comfort seats with memory for driver / front passenger
$460 - Electric seat adjustment in rear
$488 - Electric lumbar support
$494 - Heated driver and front passenger seats
$496 - Heated rear seats
$502 - Headlight washers
$508 - Park distance control (PDC)
$521 - Rain sensor from 09/05 series for all 6 and 8-cylinder (not for E67)
$522 - Bi-xenon headlights
$534 - Automatic air conditioning, "High" + Cooled storage compartment in center console
$601 - TV function including VCR connection
$609 - Navigation system without TV, new production use in conjunction with LA802 03/06
$630 - Telephone
$650 - CD ASK unit
$672 - CD changer 6 disc
$677 - HIFI system professional (Logic 7)
$785 - Individual "white flashing lights"
$812 - UK version
$850 - Additional Export tank filling
$853 - English language
$863 - European Dealer Directory
$877 - Elimination crossover operation
$880 - English / Operat. / Service Booklet
$998 - Starting internal control requirements
$255 - Sports Leather Steering Wheel
-LEDE - Leather interior
-PA5M - Passenger airbag short delay
+B110 - 110AH Battery

Im hoping the answer is close!

I did think about taking an 06 plate 730D for a test drive in the week, a garage is selling one on the way to my work, pull over and swap the MMI's do a bit of coding and take it back!! ha ha
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Stuart, I guess you got the MMI I had been looking at as well...

But go ahead and try it out with that 730d!!
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Stuart, I guess you got the MMI I had been looking at as well...

But go ahead and try it out with that 730d!!
just make sure he send you the correct item, I bought one as well and he send me a 2003 model after it was advertised as 2007 model...
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$630 - Telephone
$650 - CD ASK unit
$672 - CD changer 6 disc
$677 - HIFI system professional (Logic 7)

{/snip}

Im hoping the answer is close!

I did think about taking an 06 plate 730D for a test drive in the week, a garage is selling one on the way to my work, pull over and swap the MMI's do a bit of coding and take it back!! ha ha
I think you need to have the 633 option for Bluetooth to work. So you need to change the VO. Mine has the 638 option (facelift car with "crippled" Bluetooth) so I fully expect to have to change the VO as well when I put the new TCU in.
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Ouch!! Did you see pics of the sticker on the back that showed it was a 2007 as well?
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Ouch!! Did you see pics of the sticker on the back that showed it was a 2007 as well?
nope my mistake, I took the guys word when he advertised it as a 2007, but in the meantime I found the correct MMI close to me at a scarpyard
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Hi politby,

the thought had crossed my mind, they seem to be breaking a number of these cars, it does look suspicious!

Jeff, I painstakingly translated the VO options yesterday, I dont have the full list on this computer, I do have the full translated copy of just my VO though if your interested?

E65_#1001&U6FA%0475|7521643|7521902

*GL62 - E65 N62B44 RL ECE SITZMEMORY_FA STEPTRONIC SERVOTRONIC //745i EUR RL

$169 - EU3 Emissions standard
$202 - Steptronic, line is needed for PPP's
$216 - Servotronic
$229 - Active roll stabilisation to 03/05
$245 - Electric steering column adjustment
$261 - Side airbags for rear passengers
$268 - Light-alloy wheels with mixed tires front: LM 245/50 R19, rear: LM 275/45 R19 (Styling 95)
$302 - Alarm: DWA with interior protection and emergency siren
$316 - Automatic Boot Lid
$323 - Soft Close Automatic with child protection
$415 - Electric rear window sunshade
$416 - 0415 as including electric side window sunshade.
$423 - Front and rear velor mats
$428 - Warning triangle and first aid kit
$431 - Mirror control
$438 - Fine-wood trim Ash Grain dark
$441 - Smoking package
$442 - Front and rear cup holders
$453 - Active seat ventialtion front
$454 - Active seat ventilation rear
$456 - Electric comfort seats with memory for driver / front passenger
$460 - Electric seat adjustment in rear
$488 - Electric lumbar support
$494 - Heated driver and front passenger seats
$496 - Heated rear seats
$502 - Headlight washers
$508 - Park distance control (PDC)
$521 - Rain sensor from 09/05 series for all 6 and 8-cylinder (not for E67)
$522 - Bi-xenon headlights
$534 - Automatic air conditioning, "High" + Cooled storage compartment in center console
$601 - TV function including VCR connection
$609 - Navigation system without TV, new production use in conjunction with LA802 03/06
$630 - Telephone
$650 - CD ASK unit
$672 - CD changer 6 disc
$677 - HIFI system professional (Logic 7)
$785 - Individual "white flashing lights"
$812 - UK version
$850 - Additional Export tank filling
$853 - English language
$863 - European Dealer Directory
$877 - Elimination crossover operation
$880 - English / Operat. / Service Booklet
$998 - Starting internal control requirements
$255 - Sports Leather Steering Wheel
-LEDE - Leather interior
-PA5M - Passenger airbag short delay
+B110 - 110AH Battery

Im hoping the answer is close!

I did think about taking an 06 plate 730D for a test drive in the week, a garage is selling one on the way to my work, pull over and swap the MMI's do a bit of coding and take it back!! ha ha
StuartJohn, I think the answer could be to temporarily remove your VO for production date and replace it with a date close to the production date of the new MMI. Do you know what month and year your car was built? The beginning of your VO has #1001 prior to the options. Is your 7 a 2002 model possibly built 10/2001? If so I might try removing the #1001 and then adding something like #0906. If I'm correct that will tell NCS expert to use the MMI file that is correct for the year that the MMI was made (rather than the original production date that may be causing the coding index issue). I would also change it back after coding your MMI, as I am not sure what other effects it could have if you left the newer production date.

Considering that the most consistent information suggests that removing and adding something to our VO is the answer, I can't imagine that any of the other options like trim options or cd changer will be the right direction. The MMI is not an optional module.

I hope someone can try this, since I won't be able to until Saturday morning. Thoughts?

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Hi Jeff,

Ahh I see what your getting at!

Yes the car was manufactured in October 2001. The production date of the new MMI is 19/06 WW/YY.

Is the manufacture date an editable option in the FA write menu of NCS expert? I will have a look tonight and see, I hope changing it wont completely mess the car up!

Could there be a safer way? I notice in the daten folder, find the file E65AT, open it with a text editor and near the top the #1001 is shown along with what appear to be other production codes, it appears to reference modules and their coding level index which I presume is what is telling NCS what its expecting to see.

Could an edit here be an option? I dont see any MMI references in the whole file but as you say the MMI is not an option so may not have the parameters in this file.

Although fisters profile allows you to choose which code level file to use it dosent work, could always be an issue with the profile I guess.

I have decoded the VO Paper has posted for reference, but I agree nothing appears to relate directly to the MMI.

#0903
$1CA - Selection of CO2 (Conformity of Production)
$202 - Steptronic, line is needed for PPP's
$216 - Servotronic
$226 - Sports suspension
$229 - Active roll stabilisation
$245 - Electric steering column adjustment
$255 - Sports leather steering wheel
$302 - Alarm: DWA with interior protection and emergency siren
$316 - Automatic Boot Lid
$319 - Integrated universal remote control
$323 - Soft Close Automatic with child protection
$330 - Sport package with sport suspension
$358 - Climate comfort windscreen (IR-coated glass plate)
$403 - Sliding glass sunroof
$415 - Electric rear window sunshade
$416 - 0415 as including electric side window sunshade
$423 - Front and rear velor mats
$430 - Interior and exterior auto dimming mirrors
$431 - Mirror control
$438 - Fine-wood trim Ash Grain dark
$441 - Smoking package
$442 - Front and rear cup holders
$449 -
$466 - Roof bar in body color
$470 - ISO-FIX child seat attachment
$481 - Sports seats
$488 - Electric lumbar support
$502 - Headlight washers
$508 - Park distance control (PDC)
$521 - Rain sensor from 09/05 series for all 6 and 8-cylinder (not for E67)
$522 - Bi-xenon headlights
$524 - Adaptive Light Control
$534 - Automatic air conditioning, "High" + Cooled storage compartment in center console
$541 - Adaptive Cruise Control II
$596 - LM-E65-wheel sport package
$609 - Navigation system without TV, new production use in conjunction with LA802 03/06
$620 - Voice control for navigation, telephone and radio
$645 - Radio control U.S.
$672 - Audio-CD changer for 6 CDs and MP3 from MT
$677 - HIFI system professional (Logic 7)
$691 - CD Mount
$693 - Preparing For U.S. satellite tuner types (GL63, GN63, GN83) from 09
$760 - Individual high-gloss Shadow Line
$785 - Individual "white flashing lights"
$845 - Audible seatbelt warning
$850 - Additional Export tank filling
$853 - English language
$925 - Shipping Protection Package
$992 - Control plate mounting
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I couldnt find $449, I may be translating from an old file....

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Hi Jeff,

Ahh I see what your getting at!

Yes the car was manufactured in October 2001. The production date of the new MMI is 19/06 WW/YY.

Is the manufacture date an editable option in the FA write menu of NCS expert? I will have a look tonight and see, I hope changing it wont completely mess the car up!

Could there be a safer way? I notice in the daten folder, find the file E65AT, open it with a text editor and near the top the #1001 is shown along with what appear to be other production codes, it appears to reference modules and their coding level index which I presume is what is telling NCS what its expecting to see.

Could an edit here be an option? I dont see any MMI references in the whole file but as you say the MMI is not an option so may not have the parameters in this file.

Although fisters profile allows you to choose which code level file to use it dosent work, could always be an issue with the profile I guess.

I have decoded the VO Paper has posted for reference, but I agree nothing appears to relate directly to the MMI.

#0903
$1CA - Selection of CO2 (Conformity of Production)
$202 - Steptronic, line is needed for PPP's
$216 - Servotronic
$226 - Sports suspension
$229 - Active roll stabilisation
$245 - Electric steering column adjustment
$255 - Sports leather steering wheel
$302 - Alarm: DWA with interior protection and emergency siren
$316 - Automatic Boot Lid
$319 - Integrated universal remote control
$323 - Soft Close Automatic with child protection
$330 - Sport package with sport suspension
$358 - Climate comfort windscreen (IR-coated glass plate)
$403 - Sliding glass sunroof
$415 - Electric rear window sunshade
$416 - 0415 as including electric side window sunshade
$423 - Front and rear velor mats
$430 - Interior and exterior auto dimming mirrors
$431 - Mirror control
$438 - Fine-wood trim Ash Grain dark
$441 - Smoking package
$442 - Front and rear cup holders
$449 -
$466 - Roof bar in body color
$470 - ISO-FIX child seat attachment
$481 - Sports seats
$488 - Electric lumbar support
$502 - Headlight washers
$508 - Park distance control (PDC)
$521 - Rain sensor from 09/05 series for all 6 and 8-cylinder (not for E67)
$522 - Bi-xenon headlights
$524 - Adaptive Light Control
$534 - Automatic air conditioning, "High" + Cooled storage compartment in center console
$541 - Adaptive Cruise Control II
$596 - LM-E65-wheel sport package
$609 - Navigation system without TV, new production use in conjunction with LA802 03/06
$620 - Voice control for navigation, telephone and radio
$645 - Radio control U.S.
$672 - Audio-CD changer for 6 CDs and MP3 from MT
$677 - HIFI system professional (Logic 7)
$691 - CD Mount
$693 - Preparing For U.S. satellite tuner types (GL63, GN63, GN83) from 09
$760 - Individual high-gloss Shadow Line
$785 - Individual "white flashing lights"
$845 - Audible seatbelt warning
$850 - Additional Export tank filling
$853 - English language
$925 - Shipping Protection Package
$992 - Control plate mounting
%0472
&V7SW
*GN63
-LEDE

I couldnt find $449, I may be translating from an old file....

Stuart
Stuart, I haven't had a chance to try what I'm suggesting. I don't see how temporarily removing and adding a new production date for the purpose of coding our MMI would cause any damage, but check around to see if anyone has had issues doing so.

I don't think you can edit that file directly but I may be wrong. I feel strongly at this point that this is our next course of action. Hopefully one of us will be brave and try this to see if it moves us ahead.

Read this PDF for editing VO using NCS expert: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/att...ng-20ncs-1.pdf

If you look at step 12 you will see the production date #0905 at the top of the list. I believe you need to highlight that line (in your case it would be #1001) and hit the delete button. Not sure if you should add the new VO first or after the removal. But this is where our next test needs to take place.

Jeff

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