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Ya WDS is hard to follow for some people.
I haven't had the time it takes to check the wiring.



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Paper, I will definitely share any information I come across or if I do attempt the retrofit, I will do another write-up like I did for the NCS Expert MMI retrofit.

I've seen on some forums (unfortunately no e65/e66 forums) that instead of doing the wiring they bought a 26-pin to 54-pin connector. I know we would need a different one then they used, but is there a place that makes custom connectors or did BMW ever make one? (I know there is no BMW supported retrofit for the TCU so probably not).

I'm not comfortable translating the WDS on spaghetticoder.org. Didn't someone already do this successfully (in the US, I know ACE and Stuart did it, but wiring will be different for US)

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Awesome. Trying to find TCU on eBay. Do I need to worry about GSM vs. CDMA? My iPhone is on AT&T (GSM), but I might switch over to Verizon (CDMA) when my contract ends. Haven't seen anything that denotes CDMA vs. GSM on the TCU's I've looked at on eBay. Looking up part numbers on realoem.com doesn't provide any more information.

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P.S. I haven't forgot about tools32. Did you check to make sure you have it?
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Yes I have tool32.
I know cdma works in our cars. ( I installed 1 already )
I'm not sure about GSM, I don't see why not though

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Yes I have tool32.
I know cdma works in our cars. ( I installed 1 already )
I'm not sure about GSM, I don't see why not though

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How can I tell when looking on eBay whether it's CDMA or GSM?
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Ok HERE IS THE TCU UPGRADE WIRING
THIS IS FOR 02 & SOME 03 745LI'S



12 PIN ---------------TO -------54 PIN

1 BLACK & RED----------------15
7 BLACK------------------------13
8 YELLOW-----------------------12



26 PIN-------------------------TO -----54 PIN


1 RED & GREEN -----------------------17
2 BROWN & BLACK--------------------36
9 BLACK INSULATED------------------21
10 BROWN & WHITE-------------------19
19 WHITE-------------------------------50
20 GREY---------------------------------31
23 WHITE--------------------------------1


YOU WILL STILL NEED TO BUY THE BLUETOOTH ANTENNA WIRE
THAT CONNECTS TO YOUR TCU & PROBABLY THE BLUETOOTH MODULE.
( THERE IS A MODULE IN YOUR CAR EITHER UNDER THE CENTER CONSOLE
OR IN THE REAR PACKAGE TRAY ) BUT YOU CAN LOOK FOR IT OR JUST BUY 1 .

I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY THIS !!!

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO THIS PLEASE POST YOUR RESULTS ...



PS: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DISCONNECTED THE CRADLE IN YOUR CENTER CONSOLE !!!


ALSO DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK , I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF ANYTHING IS DAMAGED ON YOUR CAR !!!

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Ok HERE IS THE TCU UPGRADE WIRING
THIS IS FOR 02 & SOME 03 745LI'S



12 PIN ---------------TO -------54 PIN

1 BLACK & RED----------------15
7 BLACK------------------------13
8 YELLOW-----------------------12



26 PIN-------------------------TO -----54 PIN


1 RED & GREEN -----------------------17
2 BROWN & BLACK--------------------36
9 BLACK INSULATED------------------21
10 BROWN & WHITE-------------------19
19 WHITE-------------------------------50
20 GREY---------------------------------31
23 WHITE--------------------------------1


YOU WILL STILL NEED TO BUY THE BLUETOOTH ANTENNA WIRE
THAT CONNECTS TO YOUR TCU & PROBABLY THE BLUETOOTH MODULE.
( THERE IS A MODULE IN YOUR CAR EITHER UNDER THE CENTER CONSOLE
OR IN THE REAR PACKAGE TRAY ) BUT YOU CAN LOOK FOR IT OR JUST BUY 1 .

I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY THIS !!!

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO THIS PLEASE POST YOUR RESULTS ...
Great work Paper! My 745Li was built on 05/28/2003. How do I confirm that the wiring is the same as what you have? What other parts did you have to get other than the TCU? Could you post links to where you got everything.

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Great work Paper! My 745Li was built on 05/28/2003. How do I confirm that the wiring is the same as what you have? What other parts did you have to get other than the TCU? Could you post links to where you got everything.

Thanks again,

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HERE !!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E46-NAVI...26f944&vxp=mtr


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E60-E65-...2c2bd5&vxp=mtr

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Hi Paper,

Thanks for posting the wiring details, that looks to tie up with what I had started doing, thanks for that!

Whats the current status with your retrofit? have you wired yours up and begun coding yet? I hear these units are difficult to code to the car and BMW dealers are unable to do it themselves.

Im lookng at a TCU at the moment it has part number 84109149615, it looks to be used on the 1,3,5,6,7 and X5, its got TCU 1.5 ECE on the label and was removed from an E61.

I recall in an earlier post that one from an E60 or E90 wouldnt work, if the part is used on so many models can it be re-programmed and coded to suit my E65?
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Hi Paper,

Thanks for posting the wiring details, that looks to tie up with what I had started doing, thanks for that!

Whats the current status with your retrofit? have you wired yours up and begun coding yet? I hear these units are difficult to code to the car and BMW dealers are unable to do it themselves.

Im lookng at a TCU at the moment it has part number 84109149615, it looks to be used on the 1,3,5,6,7 and X5, its got TCU 1.5 ECE on the label and was removed from an E61.

I recall in an earlier post that one from an E60 or E90 wouldnt work, if the part is used on so many models can it be re-programmed and coded to suit my E65?
current status = installed , MMI coded & working

It is entirely up to you to decide whether to buy that unit or not .
I can only confirm the CDMA unit I bought works . Although I
honestly don't see why a GSM unit wouldn't work . As for re-programming
what do you mean ???

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= All I can say is I had no problem
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Hey guys,

Steady on, we are all working to achieve the same result here, it would be much better if we worked as a group to get this sorted. While I agree its best to go away and work things out for yourself, its always easier to ask someone that is more knowledgeable.

I was a bit put out when my contribution to the MMI was not mentioned earlier on this page but I dont mind, Im just glad its now fixed!

Anyway onto the subject of the original post!.... I have looked more closely at the TCU upgrade, while what PAPER has listed is correct, it only applies to the US. The ECE variant is different (with respect to the 12 and 26 pin connectors).

If anyone is interested I believe the 2002 - 2004 pinouts for ECE modules are as follows:

26 Pin--------54 Pin--------Description/Function
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13------------17-------------Supply, terminal 30 - Fuse F79
17------------12-------------Signal, CAN_High - Phone Board
18------------13-------------Signal, CAN_Low - Phone Board
26------------36-------------Ground - X13094

12 Pin 54 Pin Description/Function
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1--------------21------------Shield, Microphone
4--------------15------------Safety integration module - SIM
7--------------1-------------Signal, Microphone
8--------------19------------Signal, Microphone
9--------------31------------SOS Button - S_NOTR
10-------------50------------SOS Button - L_NOTR

The pinouts of the ECE and US variants of the new TCU 1.5 look the same, the 54 pin functions are the same as what PAPER has listed previously. although I have power on pin 17 of the 54 pin connector?

Now I just need to buy a new TCU!

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Ok 1'st I typed all the info up from my Ipad while in my car doing the actual work , so that is the reason I Didn't state what each wire consist of ( such as Mic, ground, power & so on ) Also I didn't think it would matter considering the corresponding Pin for each plug was posted. ( then I edited some of my post when I was in front of my computer )

2nd the connections I left out are not being used so I see no reason to mention them.

3rd I stated to unplug the eject box simply for safety reasons, just Incase some 1 accidently hit the wrong wire. ( so nothing could be ruined )


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Hey guys,

Steady on, we are all working to achieve the same result here, it would be much better if we worked as a group to get this sorted. While I agree its best to go away and work things out for yourself, its always easier to ask someone that is more knowledgeable.

I was a bit put out when my contribution to the MMI was not mentioned earlier on this page but I dont mind, Im just glad its now fixed!

Anyway onto the subject of the original post!.... I have looked more closely at the TCU upgrade, while what PAPER has listed is correct, it only applies to the US. The ECE variant is different (with respect to the 12 and 26 pin connectors).

If anyone is interested I believe the 2002 - 2004 pinouts for ECE modules are as follows:

26 Pin--------54 Pin--------Description/Function
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13------------17-------------Supply, terminal 30 - Fuse F79
17------------12-------------Signal, CAN_High - Phone Board
18------------13-------------Signal, CAN_Low - Phone Board
26------------36-------------Ground - X13094

12 Pin 54 Pin Description/Function
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1--------------21------------Shield, Microphone
4--------------15------------Safety integration module - SIM
7--------------1-------------Signal, Microphone
8--------------19------------Signal, Microphone
9--------------31------------SOS Button - S_NOTR
10-------------50------------SOS Button - L_NOTR

The pinouts of the ECE and US variants of the new TCU 1.5 look the same, the 54 pin functions are the same as what PAPER has listed previously. although I have power on pin 17 of the 54 pin connector?

Now I just need to buy a new TCU!
Stuart I must apologize I should have stated my post was for the U.S. Version. I am only halfway done with the ECE version, now I don't have to finish on it since you posted the info. ( so thanks )

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Stuart I must apologize I should have stated my post was for the U.S. Version. I am only halfway done with the ECE version, now I don't have to finish on it since you posted the info. ( so thanks )

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Hi Paper,

Thats OK,
Do you program your VIN using Tool32??? I hear it can be difficult, the NAVI03 was pretty hard!

Cheers!

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Hi Paper,

Thats OK, I have just noticed my wiring matches ACE's in the first few posts!. Cant wait to do this now!

Do you program your VIN using Tool32??? I hear it can be difficult, the NAVI03 was pretty hard!

Cheers!
I have tried with tool32 but my VIN on my Navi03 changes back. I need to read up on the procedure & maybe find some detailed instructions on how to do the NAVI03 VIN with TOol32.

I have to check the TCU to be sure the VIN change stayed

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I have tried with tool32 but my VIN on my Navi03 changes back. I need to read up on the procedure & maybe find some detailed instructions on how to do the NAVI03 VIN with TOol32.

I have to check the TCU to be sure the VIN change stayed

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Hi Paper,

I had exactly the same problem with Tool32 and the NAVI03!

You have to open up the NAV_E65.prg then put the navi unit in 'factory mode', its in the list i think you write 0x3F or something like that, then write the VIN (fg_schreiben) with the check digit, it worked for me i was trying to work this out for days!

Hope that helps!

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Hi Paper,

I had exactly the same problem with Tool32 and the NAVI03!

You have to open up the NAV_E65.prg then put the navi unit in 'factory mode', its in the list i think you write 0x3F or something like that, then write the VIN (fg_schreiben) with the check digit, it worked for me i was trying to work this out for days!

Hope that helps!

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Ya I tried that, but it still goes back to the old VIN after a re-start of the car.

& I get an error
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Ya I tried that, but it still goes back to the old VIN after a re-start of the car.

& I get an error
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Are you entering the VIN with the check digit as shown in NCS for example? i.e. 18 digits? it was tricky i was playing around with it and it took a couple of attempts. the problem with the navi is you have to wait 15 mins before it re-boots after ignition off.
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