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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 02-13-2012, 08:31 PM
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Take a look at the Audi as well. The nice thing about the Audi q7 is, it looks like a boat so if you don't fancy towing your boat one day you can just drive the q7 into the sea and you'll get the same effect.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:48 PM
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I think part of my problem was the fact 35d has a 6-speed transmission. So while it beats the heck out of my MDX in terms of power ditribution and RPM flexibility (although 0-60 times are almost identical ), it lacks the explosion factor of the new 8-speed ATs (oh boy do I get those from my 535i... but then as I said, I also used to get them from small 1.9 T diesels back in Europe, those things just ripped forward!). Because of the longer gears the torque was not as apparent (shorter gears would probably push me into the seat, with 425 ft-lbs... can't see how they wouldn't). I know it doesn't matter, just sayin'. I know it'd be awesome for towing my boat, though. Never questioned that for a second. I guess I was looking for more of a good looking, fast, comfy cruiser with high towing capacity than a real sport SUV (I really am not expecting any superb sports handling of an SUV and won't ever race it), hence my approach to the subject was dramatically different than most of the members. I love the looks of the X5 though, that's what made us test drive one to begin with.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:59 PM
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:27 PM
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Hell yeah! LOL

That's exactly what I was getting at. How much are those, $40k after taxes? LOL
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:36 PM
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You definitely should look at the ML.

My wife prefers it to the X5 for the exact reasons you list.
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:44 PM
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As many others have suggested, the Touareg TDI will be perfect for you.

All those things you complain about, the heavy steering, mass, engine note, etc... are why I love my X5.

No hard feelings, as a vehicle is an emotional purchase. You either "feel" it or you don't.

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:46 PM
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OK, you guys rock. The feedback's spot on. You may well be darn right (damn, we just loved the X5's look so much ever since E70 came out, though...). And yes, the wife will be primary driver. Guess I shoulda mentioned it a bit sooner, but y'all got it.
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:43 AM
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....Acceleration - really ****ty off the line. I stopped and nearly floored it multiple times. I was never shoved into my seat - something I can quite easily do with my MDX. I was expecting A LOT from that monstrous 425 low-positioned ft-lbs of torque. The power build up was gradual rather than sudden, to my disappointment - given the impressive numbers. I've driven turbo diesels back in Europe and usually things exploded around 2k RPM (if not sooner). Here, the delivery was sure but gradual, without the rocket I was looking for....
Surprised there wasn't a strong hit from the torque. How much does the X35d weigh?
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:48 AM
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Surprised there wasn't a strong hit from the torque. How much does the X35d weigh?
I think a shade over 5k????
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:32 AM
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I think a shade over 5k????
Yes, like 5,100 pounds... plus passengers and fuel.

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Old 02-14-2012, 08:48 AM
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:55 AM
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:56 AM
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I do love that Porsche interior --- and the rest too. One of the "other" options is the T-egg which in the Executive series has a very nice interior as well, much nicer IMHO than the X5. The problem with both Porsche and the T-egg is that there are few if any "deals" to be had. They sell all they can get their hands on and that leaves little incentive to deal unlike the X5 which has all kinds of sweetners. By all means the T-egg is worth a look, it is vastly improved (as is the Porsche) from previous years and is less expensive than the X5 in diesel trim. In fact, it is probably the least expensive diesel SUV we can get here, at least until the Jeep GC diesel comes on line here next year. No third row however.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:20 AM
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VW does not discount its Touareg TDI (no lease or financing deals) and while the Cayenne is spectacular, it is very expensive. I'd have the Porsche if I could afford it.

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Old 02-14-2012, 12:13 PM
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VW does not discount its Touareg TDI (no lease or financing deals) and while the Cayenne is spectacular, it is very expensive. I'd have the Porsche if I could afford it.

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There is "trunk cash" available for the Touareg VR6, but it's offset by a significantly lower residual. Having run all the numbers, the net incentive for the VR6 over the TDI is only $1,500.

The TDI's lease Money Factor and APR finance rates are similar to the VR6.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:14 PM
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I like the X5's interior overall (yes, the nav screen could be a tad bigger but for a 2007 design, X5 is quite alright). BMW's simplicity is quite stunning.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:21 PM
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VW does not discount its Touareg TDI (no lease or financing deals) and while the Cayenne is spectacular, it is very expensive. I'd have the Porsche if I could afford it.

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I like the cayenne but that ass end of that car is not pretty.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:43 PM
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:12 PM
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There is "trunk cash" available for the Touareg VR6, but it's offset by a significantly lower residual. Having run all the numbers, the net incentive for the VR6 over the TDI is only $1,500.

The TDI's lease Money Factor and APR finance rates are similar to the VR6.
When I was shopping (July '11) Touareg V6 was about $100/month less than the X5d with all rebates, while the TDI was more than the X5d. Truth is, I can't convince myself to pay $700/month for the VW badge. Yeah, I said that.

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Old 02-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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And your point ?
I think he was pointing out that the interior of a 120k Porsche is nicer than the interior of a 60k BMW?
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:12 PM
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When I was shopping (July '11) Touareg V6 was about $100/month less than the X5d with all rebates, while the TDI was more than the X5d. Truth is, I can't convince myself to pay $700/month for the VW badge. Yeah, I said that.
I'm not surprised, as VW has established very conservative residuals on the Touareg. The 36 month residual for the TDI in February is 45% at 12,000 miles/year.
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:19 PM
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VW does not discount its Touareg TDI (no lease or financing deals) and while the Cayenne is spectacular, it is very expensive. I'd have the Porsche if I could afford it.

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And Porsche needs to get off their ass and bring a diesel Cayenne. I'd be all over it
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:24 PM
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Take a look at the Audi as well. The nice thing about the Audi q7 is, it looks like a boat so if you don't fancy towing your boat one day you can just drive the q7 into the sea and you'll get the same effect.
Oh please, it's hardly a boat. It drives really well and fells more tank like on the highway. Very comfortable ride. Interior is miles ahead of anything in the E70
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:25 PM
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I think he was pointing out that the interior of a 120k Porsche is nicer than the interior of a 60k BMW?
That was exactly my point, apples to oranges are not being compared, I would sure hope that a vehicle that is almost twice the cash HAS a nicer interior. I was merely pointing out the ridiculous comparison.
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