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Old 02-14-2012, 02:50 PM
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Old 02-14-2012, 04:35 PM
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my point exactly and even nicer that than the 90k x5m, don't get me wrong i really like the x5 but the interrior is just so plain-jane.
the bamboo is tired looking, black lacquer should be offered on all x5's. bmw sells more units in the U.S. but we just got the L.E.D. option as opposed to europe.
that being said i prefer the exterior of the bmw to porsche.
bmw needs to step up with an all new interior


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I think he was pointing out that the interior of a 120k Porsche is nicer than the interior of a 60k BMW?
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:55 PM
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And Porsche needs to get off their ass and bring a diesel Cayenne. I'd be all over it
There's one already. Well, in Europe.
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cay...turesandspecs/

I am not sure I would be all over it.
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph): 7.6 s

That's half a second slower than 35d. Full second(!) slower than 40d!
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:52 PM
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I think part of my problem was the fact 35d has a 6-speed transmission. So while it beats the heck out of my MDX in terms of power ditribution and RPM flexibility (although 0-60 times are almost identical ), it lacks the explosion factor of the new 8-speed ATs (oh boy do I get those from my 535i... but then as I said, I also used to get them from small 1.9 T diesels back in Europe, those things just ripped forward!). Because of the longer gears the torque was not as apparent (shorter gears would probably push me into the seat, with 425 ft-lbs... can't see how they wouldn't). I know it doesn't matter, just sayin'. I know it'd be awesome for towing my boat, though. Never questioned that for a second. I guess I was looking for more of a good looking, fast, comfy cruiser with high towing capacity than a real sport SUV (I really am not expecting any superb sports handling of an SUV and won't ever race it), hence my approach to the subject was dramatically different than most of the members. I love the looks of the X5 though, that's what made us test drive one to begin with.

Yogi, I'm also wondering if it was some kind of a Chinese knock off you drove

My experience with the 35D is completely opposite of yours. At least in terms of lack of "explosion".

I planned on buying the ML, credit app filled out and pickup date scheduled. Had my 535 in for service and decided to take a test drive in the X5D just for kicks. Well, I was blown away. The X5 is a monster compared to the ML which has more torque, on paper at least. Where as the ML feels anemic and unresponsive, the X5 feels like it explodes when you put your foot to the floor and rewards with instantaneous responses.

I would go back to the dealer and request another test drive with a different vehicle. I had a 328 loaner which felt like It had afterburners strapped to its back. A week later I was in a different 328 loaner, same year, same motor, similar milage, even the same color. That second car felt like it was missing two cylinders and handling was way off compared to the previous one. So, there's great variation between individual cars.

Your other gripes about the Diesel are exactly what I love about it. The steering is heavy, but that's what I like about it. The diesel "noise" that you hate, is one of my favorite features of the diesel. Love that diesel clatter, especially at low revs under load. Very cool, considering what the X5 is. The ML has it almost completely dialed out.

After that test drive, I went back to the .
Mercedes dealer, drove the ML one more time, then apologized to the dealer and called off the deal.

If you find these things offensive about the X5, I would suggest you look elsewhere. It was designed for a different driver.
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I think he was pointing out that the interior of a 120k Porsche is nicer than the interior of a 60k BMW?
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That was exactly my point, apples to oranges are not being compared, I would sure hope that a vehicle that is almost twice the cash HAS a nicer interior. I was merely pointing out the ridiculous comparison.

Not sure where you're getting that the Cayenne is twice as expensive as the X5?

I can find all kinds of 5.0's vs. Cayenne S's that are within $10K. Maybe $20K on a 35d vs. an S. The numbers get even closer when you're talking a plain jane Cayenne, whose interior still embarasses the X5's. There are pages of Cayenne's and 35d's that are the same price.

Fanbois ftl.

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And Porsche needs to get off their ass and bring a diesel Cayenne. I'd be all over it
I hear ya....supposedly it might be actually coming.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:59 PM
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:07 PM
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I didnt read all of the replies, but there is absolutely NO way your 240hp MDX is out accelerating the X5D, especially from a rolling start. Ride, Brakes, power etc are all extremely superior to anything acura makes, even today. You must have been driving the vehicle incorrectly. the X5D is a rocketship when driven properly, I mess around at redlights all of the time. I owed a brand new CL type S in 03, and test drove the 2011 MDX, i couldnt get over how bad the handling and the brakes were on the MDX.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:31 AM
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Not sure where you're getting that the Cayenne is twice as expensive as the X5?

I can find all kinds of 5.0's vs. Cayenne S's that are within $10K. Maybe $20K on a 35d vs. an S. The numbers get even closer when you're talking a plain jane Cayenne, whose interior still embarasses the X5's. There are pages of Cayenne's and 35d's that are the same price.

Fanbois ftl.



I hear ya....supposedly it might be actually coming.
This has nothing to do with being a fanboi, yes the Porsche interior is a hell of a lot nicer than the X5, in my particular case I only paid 48k for a brand new X5D with a MSRP of 62k, the same base Porsche configured on their website is approx 68-70k, in my case, the additional 22k is not worth the money, I am still amazed at the amount of options available
on the Porsche, I do believe if the diesel is bought over it would be probably be similiar to the Audi/VW 3.0.
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:46 AM
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Not sure where you're getting that the Cayenne is twice as expensive as the X5?

I can find all kinds of 5.0's vs. Cayenne S's that are within $10K. Maybe $20K on a 35d vs. an S. The numbers get even closer when you're talking a plain jane Cayenne, whose interior still embarasses the X5's. There are pages of Cayenne's and 35d's that are the same price.

Fanbois ftl.
Look at the photo of the Cayenne that was posted. Cayenne Turbo, base price 107k. The photo also shows the full leather option (look at the leather dashboard). Plus anybody who thinks they're getting a Porsche of any model with less than 10k in options really is a fanboi. The Cayenne Turbo sport build is 124k.

The closest X5 in price to a Cayenne Turbo is the X5M for 87k. But that wasn't the X5 pictured.

So yeah, we're talking about the specific photos posted in this thread, not X5 vs Cayenne in general. Rushing to judgement ftl.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:52 AM
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Look at the photo of the Cayenne that was posted. Cayenne Turbo, base price 107k. The photo also shows the full leather option (look at the leather dashboard). Plus anybody who thinks they're getting a Porsche of any model with less than 10k in options really is a fanboi. The Cayenne Turbo sport build is 124k.

The closest X5 in price to a Cayenne Turbo is the X5M for 87k. But that wasn't the X5 pictured.

So yeah, we're talking about the specific photos posted in this thread, not X5 vs Cayenne in general. Rushing to judgement ftl.
Have you even been in a new Cayenne?

The interior is essentially the same on the S and is very similar in layout to the Panamera, where it first went in.

Here's a pic of just an S. Bringing the price of the Turbo into the OP's discussion of his thoughts on a 35d is flat out ridiculous.



The point is that the interior of a $70K Cayenne is still leaps and bounds better than a $60K X5. The ergonomics, tactile feel, quality of materials and visual appeal are all significantly better in the Cayenne.

Lots of Cayenne's that are within $10-20K of the X5's. For the OP, he'll be looking at closer to the $20K gap up here. Deciding if that extra cash is worth it or available is the question.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...rst_record=201
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There's one already. Well, in Europe.
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cay...turesandspecs/

I am not sure I would be all over it.
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph): 7.6 s

That's half a second slower than 35d. Full second(!) slower than 40d!
Yet the Cayenne has a better interior and will run circles around the X5 in the corners.
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Yet the Cayenne has a better interior and will run circles around the X5 in the corners.
circles as in spun out?

Hate the tail lights, hate the dash, wish it was the same cash

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The Cayenne diesel will be here next year.

(I've driven one on the Autobahn to nearly 150 mph!)

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Have you even been in a new Cayenne?

The interior is essentially the same on the S and is very similar in layout to the Panamera, where it first went in.

Here's a pic of just an S. Bringing the price of the Turbo into the OP's discussion of his thoughts on a 35d is flat out ridiculous.



The point is that the interior of a $70K Cayenne is still leaps and bounds better than a $60K X5. The ergonomics, tactile feel, quality of materials and visual appeal are all significantly better in the Cayenne.

Lots of Cayenne's that are within $10-20K of the X5's. For the OP, he'll be looking at closer to the $20K gap up here. Deciding if that extra cash is worth it or available is the question.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...rst_record=201

Whats better about it

a plethora of buttons and cups for armrests. Ergonomics? knock knock, anybody there?
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Have you even been in a new Cayenne?

The interior is essentially the same on the S and is very similar in layout to the Panamera, where it first went in.

Here's a pic of just an S. Bringing the price of the Turbo into the OP's discussion of his thoughts on a 35d is flat out ridiculous.
So you think it's ridiculous that I pointed out that the Cayenne depicted in the comparison photo was a 120k model? Sorry, but I think it was a fair observation.

If somebody posted the interior of the X5M to compare it to a 45k Touareg, I would similarly point out that it was the 90k model. I simply support truth in advertising.
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The interior of the $145,000 Cayenne Turbo isn't much nicer than the interior of the $65,000 Cayenne S... just like the X5's interior doesn't (really) get much nicer the more you spend (the money goes to the powertrain and profit).

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Whats better about it

a plethora of buttons and cups for armrests. Ergonomics? knock knock, anybody there?
So this thread turned into a Porsche fest???

I agree. Way too busy for my taste. Enough buttons to give me convulsions. 4 snots hanging off the dash disguised as vents and a runway in the middle of my dash. No thanks.

I'll stick to my full extended nappa leather with nappa dash and figured eucalyptus red brown individual wood - which didn't cost 2 arms and 2 legs as Porsche would have demanded.

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So this thread turned into a Porsche fest???

I agree. Way too busy for my taste. Enough buttons to give me convulsions. 4 snots hanging off the dash disguised as vents and a runway in the middle of my dash. No thanks.

I'll stick to my full extended nappa leather with nappa dash and figured eucalyptus red brown individual wood - which didn't cost 2 arms and 2 legs as Porsche would have demanded.



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yea but with Porsche you can order $595 leather sun visors
or the very popular , put your name in the aluminum door sill 1 grand

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yea but with Porsche you can order $595 leather sun visors
or the very popular , put your name in the aluminum door sill 1 grand
Well now that seems fair. Count me in!
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The Cayenne diesel will be here next year.

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Looks like I know what I'm buying in a couple years. I think it's time to get a Porsche
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Seriously, Classier, The front of the Toureg definitely screams " cheap "
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Yet the Cayenne has a better interior and will run circles around the X5 in the corners.
We might get the 40d in US by then, and I seriously doubt the weight difference of Cayenne will help it outmaneuver 40d in the corners. We are talking about huge difference in acceleration.

On second thought, the Cayenne diesel will probably cost as much as //M diesel anyways. No chances there for Cayenne.
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I really don't think we will get the 40d... just the 30d with a 8AT (think fuel efficiency). The 40d may be the next diesel "M" that we see. Who knows.

The Cayenne diesel will be a '13 model and it will share the engine of the TDI. But, Porsche still needs to announce it.

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