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Old 04-12-2014, 06:37 PM
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wanna buy 2001 to 2006 m3 or 09 335 what should I do?

Greetings all. I have been in lust for a e46 m3 for years. I am ready to buy but I am afraid of the smg. Should I be? I am also looking at a hardtop vert up to 09 but Im not sure I like the hardtop vert. Suggestions? Does anyone know what percentage of smg,s have problems? potential costs? Thanks
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:03 AM
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Greetings all. I have been in lust for a e46 m3 for years. I am ready to buy but I am afraid of the smg. Should I be? I am also looking at a hardtop vert up to 09 but Im not sure I like the hardtop vert. Suggestions? Does anyone know what percentage of smg,s have problems? potential costs? Thanks
SMG imho is great but it is all subjective. Test drive one, after 2006 M3s come with a DCT which is much less involving than SMG. Just make sure you get a PPI done before you buy one as the potential costs could be expensive. Good luck!
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:09 PM
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Thanks, so what is "imho"?
do you know what the potential costs could be?
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:20 AM
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"imho"?

In My Honest Opinion
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:09 AM
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Thanks, so what is "imho"?
do you know what the potential costs could be?
The pump is the mot expensive part that could fail. At least a 3k repair if you take it to a shop. A brand new pump alone is around $1500. Also, when the pump goes the actuator usually goes with it (at least another $1500 in parts in labor). But, don't let this scare you. SMG problems are overblown and are usually just a misdiagnosis. If you buy one and have issues PM me for advice.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:02 AM
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Goose81 I want to be your friend since I have MSG to.

There is a lot of bad talk about MSG but I haven't had any issue with it. I love It.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:11 AM
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Thanks for the info, the one I am looking at has 68 k on it, is there any maintenance that needs to be done to prevent future issues?
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:05 PM
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Goose81 I want to be your friend since I have MSG to.

There is a lot of bad talk about MSG but I haven't had any issue with it. I love It.
for sure man. I love my SMG as well, test drove a 335is with DCT recently and as soon as I drove off the lot I missed my M3. The DCT is just so uninvolving, you can barely feel the gear changes. Sometimes newer technology is not "better". Hit me up if you ever need advice.
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:09 PM
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Thanks for the info, the one I am looking at has 68 k on it, is there any maintenance that needs to be done to prevent future issues?
Unfortunately there is not much preventitive maintance you can do for the SMG. The fluid should be changed during Inspection I and II but thats about it. A common failure is a salmon relay and many SMG owners keep a spare in their car just in case. It is a very cheap part, cannot remember the exact cost but under $20 I think.
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Greetings all. I have been in lust for a e46 m3 for years. I am ready to buy but I am afraid of the smg. Should I be? I am also looking at a hardtop vert up to 09 but Im not sure I like the hardtop vert. Suggestions? Does anyone know what percentage of smg,s have problems? potential costs? Thanks
if you are looking for a naturally aspirated car get the M3.
If you are looking for aturbo get the 335, also keep in mind the 335 has the potential gain another 250 whp without much money or effort.
in terms of cost they both could be very costly, the M3 with the transmission the 335 with the turbo,fuel pump and water pump.
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Old 06-08-2014, 12:32 AM
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Okay... I've owned three e46 M3 cabriolets, all with 6 speed manuals. DO NOT BUY an M3 with an SMGII! Don't do it. As for the 335i, they don't have a ltd slip diff. Also, the HPFP's have a very long history of failing. In addition, unless you find one with the sport package with larger cooling components, the turbos with throw a fit.

If I were you, find a June 2003 - 2006 M3 Coupe with 6 speed manual. Prior to June of 2003, all M3's were recalled worldwide for a slight engine problem: they were blowing up.

Remember, they have solid lifters and not hydraulic. They will need to be tuned about every 25K-30K. Oil MUST be 0-60 at ~$9.00 a liter (it takes 6-6.5 not including filters).

If you can get a VIN, do a search on BMW VIN ARCHIVE. Punch in the last 7 of the VIN and it will tell you what came off the assembly line.
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:46 AM
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Okay... I've owned three e46 M3 cabriolets, all with 6 speed manuals. DO NOT BUY an M3 with an SMGII! Don't do it. As for the 335i, they don't have a ltd slip diff. Also, the HPFP's have a very long history of failing. In addition, unless you find one with the sport package with larger cooling components, the turbos with throw a fit.

If I were you, find a June 2003 - 2006 M3 Coupe with 6 speed manual. Prior to June of 2003, all M3's were recalled worldwide for a slight engine problem: they were blowing up.

Remember, they have solid lifters and not hydraulic. They will need to be tuned about every 25K-30K. Oil MUST be 0-60 at ~$9.00 a liter (it takes 6-6.5 not including filters).

If you can get a VIN, do a search on BMW VIN ARCHIVE. Punch in the last 7 of the VIN and it will tell you what came off the assembly line.
I politely disagree completely.
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:47 AM
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Okay... I've owned three e46 M3 cabriolets, all with 6 speed manuals. DO NOT BUY an M3 with an SMGII! Don't do it. As for the 335i, they don't have a ltd slip diff. Also, the HPFP's have a very long history of failing. In addition, unless you find one with the sport package with larger cooling components, the turbos with throw a fit.

If I were you, find a June 2003 - 2006 M3 Coupe with 6 speed manual. Prior to June of 2003, all M3's were recalled worldwide for a slight engine problem: they were blowing up.

Remember, they have solid lifters and not hydraulic. They will need to be tuned about every 25K-30K. Oil MUST be 0-60 at ~$9.00 a liter (it takes 6-6.5 not including filters).

If you can get a VIN, do a search on BMW VIN ARCHIVE. Punch in the last 7 of the VIN and it will tell you what came off the assembly line.
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