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Old 07-02-2013, 02:17 AM
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New bmw good but a bit disappointed....

My first brand new bmw got delivered two weeks ago and it has some great features.
Love the 50mpg getting from efficient dynamics.
Love the handling.
Love the iPod connectivity of the media player....

But.....

Is it me or is the paintwork terrible???
There is really bad orange peel on the body work- it even has orange peel on the interior dash!!

This is my first bmw, I have had jags, Lexus before the paintwork was much better!
I ordered the BMW without looking at it on strength of great BIK tax code and connected drive system. I didn't expect it to look like a massive grapefruit.

Another gripe- I have had the car 2 weeks and connected drive still not connected. The website to register is terrible and gives no feedback. BMW customer service is not much better- I have rung them a couple of times and they tell me it will come in a couple of days!
How hard can it be!

You get a better service from jaguar........
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:19 AM
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My first brand new bmw got delivered two weeks ago and it has some great features.
Love the 50mpg getting from efficient dynamics.
Love the handling.
Love the iPod connectivity of the media player....

But.....

Is it me or is the paintwork terrible???
There is really bad orange peel on the body work- it even has orange peel on the interior dash!!
This is my first bmw, I have had jags, Lexus before the paintwork was much better!
I ordered the BMW without looking at it on strength of great BIK tax code and connected drive system. I didn't expect it to look like a massive grapefruit.

Another gripe- I have had the car 2 weeks and connected drive still not connected. The website to register is terrible and gives no feedback. BMW customer service is not much better- I have rung them a couple of times and they tell me it will come in a couple of days!
How hard can it be!

You get a better service from jaguar........
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:25 AM
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Ah sorry- orange peel- paint surface that resembles the peel of an orange!

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:33 AM
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Where is there paint on the interior dash for you to notice orange peel ?

Other than that I agree it's fairly obvious on Audis too. Both my A4 and 535 have it from the factory.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:03 AM
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I agree, the paint job on my 2012 550 is horrible. Possibly the worst of any car I've owned. I just picked up a 2013 Nissan Murano for my wife and its paint job is head and shoulders above my BMW.

Pretty sad for BMW
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:29 AM
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I agree, the paint job on my 2012 550 is horrible. Possibly the worst of any car I've owned. I just picked up a 2013 Nissan Murano for my wife and its paint job is head and shoulders above my BMW.

Pretty sad for BMW

Interesting. Can you post some comparison pictures?
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:39 AM
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Unfortunately I have to agree... The build quality has deteriorated tremendously, comparing my 2013 528xi with my old good E46 330i
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:14 AM
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These cars are mass produced and at the price point the expectations are set too high by the consumer....As I age I always tell myself it is a deteriorating investment that holds little value and its just a F'ing car.......
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:20 AM
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Re: New bmw good but a bit disappointed....

For what its worth, BMW has had a reputation for crappy paint quality for YEARS.

Not excusing it, just saying it's nothing new.

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Old 07-02-2013, 07:34 AM
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For what its worth, BMW has had a reputation for crappy paint quality for YEARS.
If by YEARS you mean less than 10, it's possible - however my E46 (built in November 2002) had absolutely great paint on it. In the probably most practical Titanium Silver metallic, it had no whirls, scratches or rock peels - none at all, when I was selling it last December.

BTW it's not only the paint that is not of premium quality any more; I'll just give you 2 typical examples of the overall poor quality in my 528xi:

- the double black exhaust tips are already corroding (after 6 months)
- when I grab the rear view mirror to adjust it, the plastic plays and almost cracks in my hand

I only hope the most expensive part (power-train, suspension) will last, but my hope is a wishful thinking I'm afraid....
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:48 AM
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As others have said, this is nothing new. BMW paint sucks...in my opinion, the worst of the German three (Mercedes > Audi > BMW).
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:45 PM
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I feel like orange peel is prevalent from like all cars now. But I did notice pretty bad orange peel on my car when looking at it and focusing on that aspect today. Seems heavier on some panel materials than others. I guess it doesn't bother me so much but maybe having a black car makes orange peel less noticeable, but it's definitely there. If it's a quality control issue that would be pretty lousy of BMW.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:01 PM
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Isn't the only way to get rid of orange peel to wet sand it after clear coat? That would be pretty expensive for a mass produced vehicle.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:32 PM
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Here is an article on orange peel: http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...rangePeel.html

Basically it comes when the paint drys to fast to flow. Incorrect application is the problem. Coats to thick. Solvents that dry to quickly. Insufficient drying time between coats. Or just poor gun technique. The last could occur from automated spray equipment without sufficient sophistication. The others would be the cause of manufacturing techniques favoring speed of quality. Post production cars have orange peel.

Many cars also tend to have small flakes in their metallics. Sometimes metallics are applied to wet and the flakes don't stand up. Honda uses something that is better described as dust than flakes.

I haven't seen any of the Individual paints in years. When I was last in Germany, the designo and Individual paints seemed to be a solid step up in quality. Mystic Red and Mystic Blue were especially nice.

Lexus spends a bit more money on their paint, although I've seen orange peel there too. However, their paints have a depth and luster missing from their competitors.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:36 PM
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This is from page 21 of this manual: http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/wc...p/swaf-tsg.pdf

ORANGE PEEL
( Poor Flow, Texture)
Paint film having an uneven texture that resembles the skin of an orange.

CAUSE
(A) Under reduction and/or air pressure too low.
(B) Thinner/reducer evaporates too fast for spray conditions.
(C) Excessive film thickness or piling on of heavy wet coats.
(D) Improper spray gun set-up.
(E) Improper painting technique.
REPAIR
(1) Compound or polish to reduce surface texture.
(2) Or, sand smooth with 1200 or finer grit sandpaper, compound and polish to restore gloss.
(3) Or, sand smooth and refinish
PREVENTION
(A) Use proper reduction ratio and spray at recommended air pressure.
(B) Select recommended thinner/reducer based on temperature, humidity, air movement, and size
of repair.
(C) Avoid heavy coats and excessive film thickness.
(D) Use recommended spray gun, fluid tip and air cap for the material being sprayed. Always
adjust the gun for best atomization and balanced spray pattern before paint application.
(E) During paint application, hold the gun perpendicular and parallel to the surface. Adjust
speed of pass, pattern overlap, and distance from the panel to achieve the desired appearance.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:21 PM
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Back in the 90's, when Roger Smith (CEO General Motors from 1992 - 2000) was interviewed about GM's poor quality, when asked about orange peel his answer was: "well, orange peel is a good thing, it means that we use lots of paint, and our customers like that..."
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:49 PM
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Jeez, Roger Smith huh. That guy should be barred from every buying or driving a car again in his life. GM's being designed/developed/produced during his run were perhaps the biggest compromised death traps in the history of automobiles. To think about how many lost their lives or were injured because the cars he oversaw were as unsafe as you could ever fear a car could be is maddeningly saddening.
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Here is an article on orange peel: http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...rangePeel.html

Basically it comes when the paint drys to fast to flow. Incorrect application is the problem. Coats to thick. Solvents that dry to quickly. Insufficient drying time between coats. Or just poor gun technique. The last could occur from automated spray equipment without sufficient sophistication. The others would be the cause of manufacturing techniques favoring speed of quality. Post production cars have orange peel.

Many cars also tend to have small flakes in their metallics. Sometimes metallics are applied to wet and the flakes don't stand up. Honda uses something that is better described as dust than flakes.

I haven't seen any of the Individual paints in years. When I was last in Germany, the designo and Individual paints seemed to be a solid step up in quality. Mystic Red and Mystic Blue were especially nice.

Lexus spends a bit more money on their paint, although I've seen orange peel there too. However, their paints have a depth and luster missing from their competitors.
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I think some of you may be confusing true "orange peel", with what I notice to be a much more subtle "symptom", or characteristic, of some paint. I'm not sure the term for what I'm referring to would be "orange peel". Orange peel for me, is truly very noticeable, small dimple-like areas in the paint. I've never seen that on any of my 3 BMW's, or BMW's in general. What I do notice on our cars, and many others, is a slight "mottling", again not exactly sure how to describe it. It is much more subtle than orange peel, and I don't really think it's a defect or deficiency.

I have complained about the susceptibility of most German paints (MB, BMW, VW) to light scratching. There's no question for me that the German paints scratch much, much easier than Japanese, or even U.S. car paint finishes. All I know is, I've had 3 Black Sapphire BMW's, and the paint appearance in general, is that of highly polished, shiny and with a depth of color -- superior to most other cars. And that is only with occasional, "normal" waxing and upkeep on my part. I still love to look at my Black Sapphire on a sunny day and appreciate it for the beautiful color it is. Not too many cars look shinier than mine, well, except maybe for K-A's!
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Not too many cars look shinier than mine, well, except maybe for K-A's!
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:41 AM
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I don't think my BMW paint is any worse than any other car I have owned (and I've owned a lot). This includes the 2010 Lexus I had before it. In fact, one thing I don't see after a year and a half is paint swirls. I'm not saying it doesn't have any at all, but it is certainly less noticeable than ANY other car in my memory.
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I don't think my BMW paint is any worse than any other car I have owned (and I've owned a lot). This includes the 2010 Lexus I had before it. In fact, one thing I don't see after a year and a half is paint swirls. I'm not saying it doesn't have any at all, but it is certainly less noticeable than ANY other car in my memory.
I think there's a dichotomy here between "paint durability/application quality" and "paint shine quality".

I can't personally judge the former as like I said I had 2 brand new Mercedes' with some of the shoddiest paint application I've ever seen on a car and the only negative I can tell from my BMW's paint is some orange peel which is almost impossible to notice on the black car (and being a black car the paint is naturally soft with soft clearcoat therefore chipping and scratching seems easy if not careful).

However if we're talking *Appearance quality* in terms of shine, IMO BMW paint shines amongst the best. Their blacks and whites and silvers always out-pop other cars I feel like. Don't even get me started on their blue's.... the nicest blue's in the history of the automobile.... and their reds pop.... their "frozen" paints are amongst the nicest OEM matte paints, etc. etc.
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