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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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why no full LED headlight option on BMW

Forward LED lighting is starting to replace xenon on the high end cars. On the A6, A7, A8 and R8 you can get full LED headlights. I think BMW missed an opportunity to differentiate itself as an innovator with the 3 series and go to market with the full LED option in all of the ads. They're certainly charging enough for the car, about $5000 more than the e90 in 2005. The xenons should be standard on the 328i, and the LED should be in the 335i premium package. Instead no one is getting xenon in a 328i 2.0T unless they drop $45k. Color me unimpressed.

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Any chance to bring up audi lmfao

Do you just sit at your computer and think of things audi offeres that bmw does not, then come on here and troll?

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I'm new to BMW, but I get the distinct impression that Audi fans always feel like they're looked down upon, that they don't quite measure up. It kind of reminds me of Robin to Batman.
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I'm new to BMW, but I get the distinct impression that Audi fans always feel like they're looked down upon, that they don't quite measure up. It kind of reminds me of Robin to Batman.
Yea, there is some inferiority complex issues going on with them. Some of the biggest trolls i have come across are audi fanboys.

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Yea, there is some inferiority complex issues going on with them. Some of the biggest trolls i have come across are audi fanboys.
I mean, it's obvious BMW has a superior product, but Audi is pretty decent, too.
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F30 - the BMW apologist forum. Let's have an honest discussion guys. People who are getting halogen lights - are you really satisfied with that? For the people who have money and want everything, are you really defending the inability to opt in to forward LED lighting?

I'm here saying I want to go back to BMW. I'm not impressed that they took the A4 standard equipment list from 2008 and built a 3 series from it. I'm not going to give up a 6 cylinder with MT and be told that a 4 cylinder automatic is really the fastest and most sensible choice. Because I'm the customer. Or, I was.
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Forward LED lighting is starting to replace xenon on the high end cars. On the A6, A7, A8 and R8 you can get full LED headlights. I think BMW missed an opportunity to differentiate itself as an innovator with the 3 series and go to market with the full LED option in all of the ads. They're certainly charging enough for the car, about $5000 more than the e90 in 2005. The xenons should be standard on the 328i, and the LED should be in the 335i premium package. Instead no one is getting xenon in a 328i 2.0T unless they drop $45k. Color me unimpressed.
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to your trolling post, but I am.

Audi's LED head lights are optional, including the A8 & A7.

BMW has chosen to mostly forego LED headlights. I believe they are available on the new 6er. BMW will shortly be introducing laser head lights, making LED head lights outdated.

The A4 does not have xenons standard. Neither does the Merc C. Neither the A4 nor the C Class offer LED head lights.
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F30 - the BMW apologist forum. Let's have an honest discussion guys. People who are getting halogen lights - are you really satisfied with that? For the people who have money and want everything, are you really defending the inability to opt in to forward LED lighting?

I'm here saying I want to go back to BMW. I'm not impressed that they took the A4 standard equipment list from 2008 and built a 3 series from it. I'm not going to give up a 6 cylinder with MT and be told that a 4 cylinder automatic is really the fastest and most sensible choice. Because I'm the customer. Or, I was.
you have some way of showing it...
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BMW likes to nickel and dime owners to **** them over. leather, heated seats, bluetooth, sunroof. all things BMW charges for, but Audi gives us standard

next gen A3 and A4 are getting full LED headlights. I know BMW just released the 6 with them

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I'm new to BMW, but I get the distinct impression that Audi fans always feel like they're looked down upon, that they don't quite measure up. It kind of reminds me of Robin to Batman.
Not necessarily. It's hilarious how defensive BMW fanboys get whenever Audi is mentioned

BMW owners have a superiority complex. Especially base/stripper 3 series owners
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F30 - the BMW apologist forum. Let's have an honest discussion guys. People who are getting halogen lights - are you really satisfied with that? For the people who have money and want everything, are you really defending the inability to opt in to forward LED lighting?
It's just hilarious how people who buys these base model BMWs think they are better than everyone
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BMW likes to nickel and dime owners to **** them over. leather, xenons, heated seats, bluetooth, sunroof. all things BMW charges for, but Audi gives us standard

next gen A3 and A4 are getting full LED headlights. I know BMW just released the 6 with them
Audi does not include those things. do you know what your talking about? none of those things are standard. PLease do some research and stop saying false things.

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Audi does not include those things. do you know what your talking about? none of those things are standard. PLease do some research and stop saying false things.

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I have done the research. Leather, Sat. Radio, Power seats, sunroof are all standard on the base crap Audi A4. BMW charges for every single one of those options. I was wrong about the Xenons. Those are standard on the P+ trim level of the A4.

The P+ Quattro 6MT is $37,600 and has xenons + LEDs, prem. audio system, sunroof, 18 inch wheels, auto dimming exterior mirrors, auto dimming rearview, heated front seats, homelink, 3 zone climate. Comparable F30 is considerably more and for no reason at all.

Audi doesn't even have leatherette. BMW charged me for leather on my $65k X5. My old $54k Audi Q7 had it standard. Same with heated seats, etc.

And no I'm not a BMW hater. I own one and would like to buy a F30 in the future.
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F30 - the BMW apologist forum. Let's have an honest discussion guys. People who are getting halogen lights - are you really satisfied with that? For the people who have money and want everything, are you really defending the inability to opt in to forward LED lighting?

I'm here saying I want to go back to BMW. I'm not impressed that they took the A4 standard equipment list from 2008 and built a 3 series from it. I'm not going to give up a 6 cylinder with MT and be told that a 4 cylinder automatic is really the fastest and most sensible choice. Because I'm the customer. Or, I was.
I thought your question was quite reasonable.
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Careful there...the secretary may just be the Go Daddy Girl in disguise.
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Any chance to bring up audi lmfao

Do you just sit at your computer and think of things audi offeres that bmw does not, then come on here and troll?
I much prefer his posts over your response. At least his post was an attempt to bring up some discussion about a weakness (perceived or not) in the 3-series. Yours? Nothing constructive.
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next gen A3 and A4 are getting full LED headlights. I know BMW just released the 6 with them
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I have done the research. Leather, Sat. Radio, Power seats, sunroof are all standard on the base crap Audi A4. BMW charges for every single one of those options. I was wrong about the Xenons. Those are standard on the P+ trim level of the A4.

The P+ Quattro 6MT is $37,600 and has xenons + LEDs, prem. audio system, sunroof, 18 inch wheels, auto dimming exterior mirrors, auto dimming rearview, heated front seats, homelink, 3 zone climate. Comparable F30 is considerably more and for no reason at all.

Audi doesn't even have leatherette. BMW charged me for leather on my $65k X5. My old $54k Audi Q7 had it standard. Same with heated seats, etc.

And no I'm not a BMW hater. I own one and would like to buy a F30 in the future.
BMW prices their options more like Mercedes and in the traditional German way. Audi used to follow the same pattern. It is only in recent years they have changed that in their effort to attract more U.S. consumers.
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BMW prices their options more like Mercedes and in the traditional German way. Audi used to follow the same pattern. It is only in recent years they have changed that in their effort to attract more U.S. consumers.
What tradition German way? Ripping customers off for simple features that should be standard?

If anything, BMW and MB need to adopt the trim level structure of Audi because most everything is a single option or a large package. Makes it hard to find cars out there when you want to buy. It's easy to find an Audi because you're almost always just looking for a specific trim level.
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I thought your question was quite reasonable.
I wrote a detailed response, but then the interwebs ate it. I'll re-do it later. Basically west is complaining about things that are IN NO WAY unique to BMW. They apply to Audi and Mercedes as well. And, in fact, not a single point he makes actually stands up to a comparison of the 3er to the 4.
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What tradition German way? Ripping customers off for simple features that should be standard?

If anything, BMW and MB need to adopt the trim level structure of Audi because most everything is a single option or a large package. Makes it hard to find cars out there when you want to buy. It's easy to find an Audi because you're almost always just looking for a specific trim level.
Why? Bmw and mercedes have no problems selling cars, audi is the one who has problems and needed to start making things standard to try and sell more cars.

As a customer of course we would like more things free, but there are reasons why its like it is.
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Why? Bmw and mercedes have no problems selling cars, audi is the one who has problems and needed to start making things standard to try and sell more cars.
Is that why BMW and Mercedes had to resort to crazy lease and financing deals to move cars last year?

Audi sold more cars worldwide than MB last year. Not to mention, it is quite hard to buy most models in the Audi lineup these days due to the wait lists, etc. They don't take thousands off MSRP to sell Audis. BMW and MB, you have to.
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Is that why BMW and Mercedes had to resort to crazy lease and financing deals to move cars last year?

Audi sold more cars worldwide than MB last year. Not to mention, it is quite hard to buy most models in the Audi lineup these days due to the wait lists, etc. They don't take thousands off MSRP to sell Audis. BMW and MB, you have to.
I stand corrected, audi sold 100K more cars the mercedes last year, i did not expect that.
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