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Old 10-25-2014, 11:17 AM
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Hey all,

I was the owner of a 2010 535i until I was unfortunately rear ended earlier this month

(Feel free to look at my thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=800720)


Long story short, my car was deemed a total loss and now I'm in the market for a 2011 535i. I've tried doing a few searches but there hasn't seemed to be a consolidated thread with all the issues that 2011's may have. So far I know about the pulling to right issue as well as the hesitation and drivetrain malfunctions. Albeit not in depth.

Typically the mileage I'll be looking for is under 50k just so I have a few months of warranty remaining for anything I decide to be anal about. (Did the same with my 2010). Also, I have a great indy who is fair priced and knowledgable, so that gives me piece of mind.

So those of you who either have or had a 2011 535i what were your biggest complaints or issues? And for those coming from E60's how does the car compare overall?

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Old 10-25-2014, 11:27 AM
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I had a 2011 early-build 535i, and did not experience many of the reported issues. Mine was a base suspension with 18" wheels. Never had the pulling or other issues. The transmission did have a quirk when almost stopping (like 2 mph) then accelerating -- you had to learn to pause with the throttle to avoid a jolt when it finally went back to 1st gear. Anyway, I now have a '14 and that problem is totally solved. Many people will probably suggest you go with a 2012 instead, I think many issues were solved in the 2nd year. Is there a reason (other than price?) that you are seeking a 2011?
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Old 10-25-2014, 11:45 AM
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I had a 2011 early-build 535i, and did not experience many of the reported issues. Mine was a base suspension with 18" wheels. Never had the pulling or other issues. The transmission did have a quirk when almost stopping (like 2 mph) then accelerating -- you had to learn to pause with the throttle to avoid a jolt when it finally went back to 1st gear. Anyway, I now have a '14 and that problem is totally solved. Many people will probably suggest you go with a 2012 instead, I think many issues were solved in the 2nd year. Is there a reason (other than price?) that you are seeking a 2011?
Interesting. Thats good to know

In reality, price is the only thing that has to do with choosing a 2011. Essentially, I can get a lower milage 2011 that is still in warranty for a few months for a lot less than a low mileage 2012.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:27 PM
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There is a pulling to the right issue on pre-Sept. 2010 builds. If the issue hasn't been corrected, you have your hands full. There is also a huge issue with 19" Goodyear LS2 tires failing. Expect to replace them if they are on your car. Another thing that must be fixed is the VANOS recall. The transmission jerking problem is fixed with the very latest software upgrade. Otherwise, it's been a very reliable car for me (post Sept 2011 build). It's also a very different car from a handling perspective than your 2010 was. Make sure you like it before you buy it.
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Old 10-25-2014, 05:46 PM
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Interesting. Thats good to know

In reality, price is the only thing that has to do with choosing a 2011. Essentially, I can get a lower milage 2011 that is still in warranty for a few months for a lot less than a low mileage 2012.
What are you looking to spend for a 2011 still under warranty?
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:46 PM
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Make sure you like it before you buy it.
In other words, drive it. Very different from an E60.

The pulling to the right issue can be fixed with after market control arms, BMW sort of shot themselves in the foot with this one. If you have it $6-800 will fix it.

I had a pre 9/10 550i, no issues whatsoever, very reliable. But very different than an E60.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:04 PM
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In other words, drive it. Very different from an E60.

The pulling to the right issue can be fixed with after market control arms, BMW sort of shot themselves in the foot with this one. If you have it $6-800 will fix it.

I had a pre 9/10 550i, no issues whatsoever, very reliable. But very different than an E60.
Yeah I will definitely drive it. I've only read how different it is from an E60 but never physically experienced it yet.

Also, how obvious is the pulling to the right issue? What types of conditions cause the issue to expose itself? I want to make sure I incorporates these into my test drives.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
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There is a pulling to the right issue on pre-Sept. 2010 builds. If the issue hasn't been corrected, you have your hands full. There is also a huge issue with 19" Goodyear LS2 tires failing. Expect to replace them if they are on your car. Another thing that must be fixed is the VANOS recall. The transmission jerking problem is fixed with the very latest software upgrade. Otherwise, it's been a very reliable car for me (post Sept 2011 build). It's also a very different car from a handling perspective than your 2010 was. Make sure you like it before you buy it.
Thanks for the info. I'll look out for the tires as well. I'm guessing that the software update needs to be done at the dealer?
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:02 PM
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Also, how obvious is the pulling to the right issue? What types of conditions cause the issue to expose itself? I want to make sure I incorporates these into my test drives.
I never had it, I know two people that did. One was very slight, the other was more significant. Get an alignment before you buy, if the front camber (left and right) isn't less than .1 degree difference (preferably equal) then you will probably have it to some extent.

Note that some have reportedly solved it with non RFT tires, and for non-xDrives there is a software patch that doesn't really correct it but hides it through the EPS.

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Old 10-25-2014, 11:11 PM
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I had a June 2011 build IIRC 535xi with standard suspension and 18" wheels. The car tended to need constant correction. The front end wandered a lot to an annoying level. It tended to pull to the right. "Rotating struts," adjusting suspension installation, alignments, adding extra camber, software updates. It never was really right.

I'd avoid anything before 2012. I'd go for 2013. I'd avoid the 550 altogether.
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Old 10-25-2014, 11:24 PM
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i was in the same boat as you about a month ago..did my research and came to the conclusion that i should go with a 2012. endup buying a 2012 535i sports package, premium sound and some extra packages for 31.5k + Tag/Tax. it had 50k highway miles (yes it was out of warranty) but i preferred this over a 2011 with less miles and within warranty only because of these issues. I am very pleased with my purchase and happy i got a 2012. if you really research the market then there isn't too much price difference in 2011 and 2012. maybe 3-4k max i would say (i might be wrong).
but i would suggest go with a 2012 and have a piece of mind.

PS. the same dealer who sold me my car also have a 2012 black 335i with 41k miles asking 35k. if you interest pm me and ill give you the info.

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Old 10-26-2014, 07:52 AM
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535kjp, make sure you test drive it on the highway. Vibration at highway speed between 60 to 70 MPH was a wide spread issue with early build F10s. Also, the F10's rims are bent easily due to the runflat tires stiff wall. Being in NJ, I bet there are plenty of used F10 with bent rims for sale due to the pot holes. Most of time is a combination of tire balancing issue or bent rims that cause the vibration, but there have been some instances of buyback because BMW simply could not find the cause of the vibration.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:23 AM
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I had a 2011 BMW 5 that had vibration on the highways at 70-75 mph and it could not be solved. The rims were bent easily and the car wandered a lot. It was a pain so I got rid of it. My rec to the OP is to just avoid the 2011 models and look at the 2012+.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:44 AM
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I did not have them but I drove later E60 (non-sport) and an early F10 no-line. The F10 was total garbage driving feel wise. It was an xdrive which some rate better because it has hydraulic steering. But it really did nothing to rescue that car. I loved the E60.

Don't buy without driving the particular car in question, and if it feels boaty don't assume you get used to it.
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Old 10-27-2014, 06:07 PM
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Thanks everyone. I've read all of your replies and taken everything everyone has said into consideration. Financially, a 2011 is more suitable for me over a 2012, but I'm making an effort to get one that was produced in 2011.

As my car shopping continues, I have an unrelated question:

What package is rear passenger individual climate part of? I've only seen it on a few cars. (Picture below)

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Old 10-28-2014, 07:06 AM
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What package is rear passenger individual climate part of? I've only seen it on a few cars.
It is called "4NB 4-zone automatic climate control". It was offered as a standalone in 2011 and not offered since. However, you could order it even though it was not offered in the ordering guide.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:50 AM
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535kjp, I would recommend a 2011 535 with sport suspension or DHP package and if it has new tires the Bridgestone run flats are better than Goodyears.
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