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Old 06-13-2014, 03:06 PM
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keep Euro front plate in CA?

Hi guys, my E-D 435i just arrived yesterday and I went to dealership to pick it up as quickly as I can. The moment I saw it I felt the long wait time is worth it.

However, I notice that both front and back euro plates are still attached. Didn't ask to attain them but somehow they are still there. So I'm thinking to keep the front plate and put on my CA back plate when it arrives. I've searched the internet and read a lot of unpleasant experiences of people being pulled over by cops because they didn't have front plates/have euro front plates. I want to ask for your opinions if I should take the risk. If you have similar experiences, don't hesitate to share with me!

BTW, I live in the Bay Area...Thank you all!
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:22 PM
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Congrats on the new car!

I'm an sf bay area resident as well.
I'd leave the german plates on; like a badge of honor, right??

But be prepared to get pulled over. I think I've gotten pulled over at least once or twice during the few weeks waiting for California plates (each time after having done an ED). But they never gave me a ticket...as long as you have your temporary registration on hand.

But don't give them another reason to pull you over!

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Old 06-13-2014, 03:31 PM
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Congrats on the new car!

I'm an sf bay area resident as well.
I'd leave the german plates on; like a badge of honor, right??

But be prepared to get pulled over. I think I've gotten pulled over at least once or twice during the few weeks waiting for California plates (each time after having done an ED). But they never gave me a ticket...as long as you have your temporary registration on hand.

But don't give them another reason to pull you over!

Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your experiences! Yeah it looks like people do get pullled over for not having front plate or having euro plates

How did you put on your CA plates after they arrived? Does it require drilling? If I can't do it by myself I guess I need to go to the dealership and have them do that for me.
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:53 PM
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:05 PM
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I see BMW, Volvo, MBZ and Audi with CA plates over ED plates in LA all the time.

But I think attached pics is too much - why do you have CA LP made as ED plate go over real ED plate?

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Old 06-13-2014, 04:05 PM
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I've driven in the bay area without a front plate for >9 years, never been pulled over for it but

I did get ticketed while parked in a metered spot in SF. Parking enforcement in SF is actively ticketing for this.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:08 PM
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We had both front and rear Euro plates on our car for eight months before being pulled over. The cop wanted to know how I had a German plate on the car so I explained the BMW Euro Delivery program, told him this is the way it was delivered at our dealer after we were done driving it in Europe. I had the CA plate in the trunk with the exact same number and spacing and told him that I just hadn't found the time to put it on. He let me off with a warning and said that while the Euro plates were cool, that even if they were the same number it wasn't a valid CA plate.

We left the Euro front plate on and it's been almost three years. Haven't been pulled over for that since. We live less than a mile from a police substation but rarely see police cars on the street in our area.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:38 PM
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As a point of law, CA requires front plates that are issued to the vehicle be installed (and CA issues two plates for that reason, 5200 CVC), the dealer will make two holes in the front bumper, there are other creative ways (some people use the same sticky tape the euro plates use to adhere the front plate), or a bracket that comes down from under the front bumper. If you do get stopped and a ticket, it's a fix-it so you can get by with it for about $100 fine and the install of the plates. I think a good way to do it, and avoid the hassle of LE stopping you is to install the front plates, and do the euro under the rear like RDL53 did. Most cops won't actually cite you for it, more as a reason for a stop than anything else.

And Mpyre was right on the money, if you plan on visiting SF, you will... WILL, get a parking ticket, the SF parking folk are on their game with cites... I'm pretty sure it's about $65 for that parking ticket (I think SF has some of the highest fines in CA for parking violations...)
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:23 PM
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Thank you all for advice. I think I will keep both plates on for a while. After receiving CA plates I would probably just replace them with CA plates. I visit SF every now and then, and being pulled over is the last thing that I want to happen to me.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:57 AM
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I have a green circular Umweltplaket sticker on the front windshield. That is a subtle souvenir and bragging object.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:45 AM
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East Bay, one year now.
Drove the car to Vegas and back in April.
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I like how your car looks without the rear model badge !
I noticed that most newer cars in Germany don't have it (one of the options when ordering).
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:12 PM
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I have a green circular Umweltplaket sticker on the front windshield. That is a subtle souvenir and bragging object.
That is what I am thinking of doing as well.
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:15 PM
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I like how your car looks without the rear model badge !
I noticed that most newer cars in Germany don't have it (one of the options when ordering).
I was wondering about this too. I noticed in Europe they must have an option to delete the model badge. Do we have that here too?
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:31 PM
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I was wondering about this too. I noticed in Europe they must have an option to delete the model badge. Do we have that here too?
It is an option in Germany but most models sold in the US cannot be ordered like this. There have been posts that the Welt people use a plastic credit card to pop them off.
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It is an option in Germany but most models sold in the US cannot be ordered like this. There have been posts that the Welt people use a plastic credit card to pop them off.

I think a lot of people take them off with dental floss (someone had a video of it a year or two back on here).


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Old 06-15-2014, 12:39 AM
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I think a lot of people take them off with dental floss (someone had a video of it a year or two back on here).


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Old 06-15-2014, 08:44 AM
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Some goo-gone will help get rid of any excess glue easily.

I've been thinking about keeping the front zoll plate on, but I have been driving without any plate in the front and only had to deal with parking tickets. I think the issue depends on the driver, the area, the car and the cop. I'm 32 going on 21 by the look of me, taking delivery of a M235i... It may be harder to get away with than with my 335is with no front plate. Absence is less obvious than a big euro plate with red trim, I think.
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:09 AM
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I live in SF Bay Area as well, and I think there's a magnitude of difference between not having a front plate and keeping the European one there. The basic question is this: do you want to be pulled over because of this when you had a dinner with a bit of wine and be forced to do the "moon walk dance" or not. People drive for a decade without a front plate, but never for a year with a euro one. Be smart.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:56 PM
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Well said. This mimics my driving experience in the SF Bay Area to a T!

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I live in SF Bay Area as well, and I think there's a magnitude of difference between not having a front plate and keeping the European one there. The basic question is this: do you want to be pulled over because of this when you had a dinner with a bit of wine and be forced to do the "moon walk dance" or not. People drive for a decade without a front plate, but never for a year with a euro one. Be smart.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:30 PM
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Alternative Front Licence Plate Mounting....

I also live in a state that requires both front and rear license plates. I retained my Euro front plate and purchased a mounting bracket here: http://www.usmillworks.com/bmw_front..._tow_hook.html

Very well made...time will tell if my front "souvenir" ED plate gets any unwanted attention.

Kept the green circular Umwelt sticker on my windshield as well....

(Attached photo is the official Welt delivery photo...not of redelivery with offset front U.S. plate)
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Mine just arrived as well and I plan to keep the attached ED plates on just long enough for a "welcome home" photo shoot...I drive the toll roads every day in SoCal and there is a lot of CHP presence seemingly pulling over predominantly vehicles without plates running the tolls. I'm sure the ED plate being on there would just attract more attention that it's worth even if it's cool ( and legal until my real plates arrive) .
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I don't know how more plainly to put this:

Driving around with an expired European tourist license plate on the front, is the legal equivalent of checking to see if an electric fence is on, by peeing on it.
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Driving around with an expired European tourist license plate on the front, is the legal equivalent of checking to see if an electric fence is on, by peeing on it.
What's the equivalent of driving around with no plate on the rear?

I was pulled over in TX within 1 week of not having a rear plate on the car, even though it was a newish car from CA with proper registration. I was issued a warning, even though it was legit. I quickly processed by TX registration ASAP after that.

Bottom line, if you want attention, you'll usually get it - but you can't select from what parties it will come from.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:33 AM
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What's the equivalent of driving around with no plate on the rear?

I was pulled over in TX within 1 week of not having a rear plate on the car, even though it was a newish car from CA with proper registration. I was issued a warning, even though it was legit. I quickly processed by TX registration ASAP after that.

Bottom line, if you want attention, you'll usually get it - but you can't select from what parties it will come from.
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Chris, on an unrelated note, are you doing a new ED when the time comes for this lease to end?
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