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Old 01-18-2015, 06:52 PM
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Disturbances in Europe?

We have a month long trip scheduled in April and my other half is already getting cold feet due to the disturbances following the terrorist attack in France. I'm trying to calm her down but would be interested in some other perspectives. Is anyone else with a trip planned having second thoughts? Our trip is a 15 day river cruise followed by 2 weeks traveling in France and Belgium by rental car. I told my wife I'm going with or without her.
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Europe is safer than Maryland. Much safer... France is safer, Paris is safer. You are much more likely to die in an accident on your local freeway than be harmed by a terrorist - in Europe or the USA. The USA, Maryland included, is an extremely violent place. Don't worry about terrorists, worry about your garden variety American thug who happens to be able to get a gun anytime he wants.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:21 PM
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Europe is safer than Maryland. Much safer... France is safer, Paris is safer. You are much more likely to die in an accident on your local freeway than be harmed by a terrorist - in Europe or the USA. The USA, Maryland included, is an extremely violent place. Don't worry about terrorists, worry about your garden variety American thug who happens to be able to get a gun anytime he wants.
Exactly my thoughts. I will relay this information to my spouse. Thanks for the positive comments.
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Here's what the U.S. State Department says:

France:
  • Political violence in Paris and throughout France is relatively uncommon, although there are occasional instances of extremely large demonstrations simultaneously occurring in many French cities. Large demonstrations in Paris are generally managed by a strong police presence, but even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. We recommend that U.S. citizens avoid demonstrations if possible, and exercise caution if within the vicinity of any demonstrations. Some sporting events, such as soccer matches, have occasionally degenerated into violence that continued into the streets.
  • France and Monaco are relatively safe countries. The majority of crimes directed against foreign visitors, including U.S. citizens, involve pick-pocketing, residential break-ins, bicycle theft, and other forms of theft with minimal violence.

Belgium:
  • Belgium has been largely free of major terrorist incidents. As with other countries in the Schengen area, Belgium maintains open borders with its neighbors, allowing the possibility of terrorist operatives entering/exiting the country with anonymity. Belgian law enforcement and security officials, in close cooperation with neighboring countries, maintain an effective anti-terrorism effort and a welcoming environment for tourism and business.
  • Although Belgium remains relatively free of violent crime, low-level street crime such as robberies, purse snatchings, and pickpocketing is common, particularly in major cities. Thieves often operate in teams, and usually distract a target by creating a random commotion in a public space or by bumping into or shoving the target, especially in crowds. Usually, an accomplice to get the targetís attention by speaking to that person or asking to sign a petition while the partner carries out the theft. Be alert to distractions.
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Always be vigilant, no matter where you are, don't draw too much attention to yourself, and you'll be fine. As stated above, Europe is a gazillion times safer than the USA from the perspective of violent crime.
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Always be vigilant, no matter where you are, don't draw too much attention to yourself, and you'll be fine. As stated above, Europe is a gazillion times safer than the USA from the perspective of violent crime.

Regrettably, I won't go out of my way to identify myself as an American, no clothing with US flag, etc. We will be visiting the Normandy beaches and the cemeteries as well as the one in Luxembourg. It's a shame the world is such a screwed up place, isn't it?
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Regrettably, I won't go out of my way to identify myself as an American, no clothing with US flag, etc. We will be visiting the Normandy beaches and the cemeteries as well as the one in Luxembourg. It's a shame the world is such a screwed up place, isn't it?
It is a shame indeed. But think of it like this as you visit Normandy and the various cemeteries: It was really really really screwed up for a while and if history panned out slightly different, it could still be that way.
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It is a shame indeed. But think of it like this as you visit Normandy and the various cemeteries: It was really really really screwed up for a while and if history panned out slightly different, it could still be that way.
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I trust she has settled down?

I travel a lot, maybe 6 trips a year to UK and Germany. Train, taxi, Tube, rental cars. Ive never felt unsafe. Be smart, and alert. Blend in. I have zero concerns about 'unrest'. Petty crime, regular accidents, disease- all those things are WAY more likely- and none f it is any different than here.

You just THINK it is. Because you know 'home' and your brain requires that illusion.

Think about it this way: families in France, or UK or German are looking at there summer vacation plans to the USA and the moms is freaked out by the news report of [a movie theater gunman...a drive by shooting...a random killing...other gun violence]. She says "I am concerned about our trip to the US, maybe we should stay safe at home this summer". Who will be 'safer'? Her or your wife?

You might argue that statistically you will lower your wife's risk by being in the EU for two weeks!

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I trust she has settled down?

I travel a lot, maybe 6 trips a year to UK and Germany. Train, taxi, Tube, rental cars. Ive never felt unsafe. Be smart, and alert. Blend in. I have zero concerns about 'unrest'. Petty crime, regular accidents, disease- all those things are WAY more likely- and none f it is any different than here.

You just THINK it is. Because you know 'home' and your brain requires that illusion.

Think about it this way: families in France, or UK or German are looking at there summer vacation plans to the USA and the moms is freaked out by the news report of [a movie theater gunman...a drive by shooting...a random killing...other gun violence]. She says "I am concerned about our trip to the US, maybe we should stay safe at home this summer". Who will be 'safer'? Her or your wife?

You might argue that statistically you will lower your wife's risk by being in the EU for two weeks!

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Your examples are appropriate to the point, but the shootings in Miami not so many years ago that targeted rental cars and foreign tourists to the USA were high percentage risks that merited "freaking out."
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Regrettably, I won't go out of my way to identify myself as an American, no clothing with US flag, etc. We will be visiting the Normandy beaches and the cemeteries as well as the one in Luxembourg. It's a shame the world is such a screwed up place, isn't it?
I read books, watched movies and talked to WWII vets about D-Day but until you go there and actually see the sights there is no way to accurately depict it in your mind. Just seeing the cliffs at Pont du Hoc and the loooooong beaches at Omaha convey the nightmare those guys faced far better than any photos or videos. The British and Canadian beaches were far different than what I saw in The Longest Day as well. Normandy is an absolutely gorgeous area, even in the dead of winter. Tremendous food and drink, so much history going back long before WWII, and the nicest folks I've ever encountered in France. I hope you can spend more than just a day or two there. We spent a week and there was still so much we missed. Try to squeeze Mont St. Michel and Honfleur into your drive. Etretat is also amazing.

Over many years of travel my wife and I have often ended up just blocks away from earth-shattering events without being aware of what was happening until much later. Somehow we survived London subway bombings, Munich kidnappings, Athenian riots and cruise ship sinkings. I swear, almost every time we've been to London, whether it's summer or winter, we are witnesses to the most drastic record-setting weather in the nation's history. Three consecutive visits over 5 years we were there for the all-time highest recorded temps. And we were barely aware of it.
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My turn to agree with Gluhwein. We spent a week in Normandy and had a great time. Honfleur and Mont St. Michel are must sees. I would add the gun battery at Longues sur Mer and the little museum at Arromanches-les-Bains with its model of the Mulberry harbor. My only regrets are that I forgot to buy Normandy Caramels and Calvados. I will correct this error next time.

Any public disturbance is unsettling and I am sure it will be difficult to persuade your wife otherwise. Two weeks after 9/11 we decided to take a long-planned trip to Europe. We were a bit nervous about what might happen if it became a worldwide trend. Of course nothing happened except that 1) the planes were empty and 2) Tourism was down and 3) the flight attendants, hoteliers and restauranters were all delighted to see us.
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There is little chance of physical attack, EXCEPT that there has been a couple of "killing helpers", especially in Germany. Some skinheads harass somebody, somebody else helps, the skinheads flip out and kill him or her. Skinhead can be neonazi white or any unsatisfied young from the south. Latest one was a Serb.

Trickery for theft is the most common problem. A team does a double-tag of distraction and grabbing. Hold on to your camera bag, especially when somebody messes with you in any position or negative way.

Belgium drivers are all bad, however better than in MA.
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Everyone in our group is calming down and ready for the trip. I have convinced them we have a better chance of being mugged in the US than being involved in any disturbance in Europe. Pickpockets in the cities are probably the biggest risk. I attended a seminar last night at our WWII Roundtable at the American Legion. Two history teachers just returned from a trip to Normandy and gave me a lot of tips for our visit. Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. This forum is awesome.
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When I was a boy I was almost kidnapped in a European airport but other than that be aware of your surroundings at all times, trust no one and don't look too happy. You'll be just fine.
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When I was a boy I was almost kidnapped in a European airport but other than that be aware of your surroundings at all times, trust no one and don't look too happy. You'll be just fine.
If you are serious, I am sad to hear this. We are looking forward to our trip and I am confident we will all be as safe as we would be if we stayed home in the US given the current state of affairs around the world.
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