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Old 03-15-2013, 08:29 AM
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Fram filters suck. I saw a tecnical analysis of their oil filters once and they were near the bottom of the list. I presume their air filters to be of the same substandard quality and avoid them. They spend all their money on marketing and advertising. You can find high quality OEM, or Mann filters online. It is a simple do it yourself job. You can do your cabin filter as well.
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:09 AM
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Fram vs. Mann

Hey Bro,

You are right, the Mann filters whether for air or for oil is so far the best for BMW
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:07 AM
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Air filters

First off, I am the Tech manager at FRAM. If you understand engine management and OBDII systems, you know that what the dealer told you is total BS. FRAM air filters are 99% efficiency and meet or exceed every single performance parameter of the OE filter tested according to OE ISO test standards for both efficiency and capacity.
And for the guy using the K+N, check the GMC truck forum for the independent air filters they paid to get tested in a lab setting. 10 filters tested, only one let more dirt in the engine than the K+N, a UNI filter.
More than happy to answer serious filter questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com
BTW- one of my trainers drives a 2002 3 series, been running FRAM oil and air filters for 189k miles, still running like a top with no CEL lamps on.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:14 PM
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Check engine light came on.
BMW dealer said the code was a lean fuel code and the fix was to take my new FRAM air filter out and put a BMW one in. $126 for complete service ticket, $24 filter, the rest shop and labor fees.

I told them to put the FRAM in the back! Does anyone really believe this code was the result of using a FRAM filter?
no, the tech is full of sh1t. one time i was told the the oil evaporated from the engine by a tech at a subaru dealership
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:41 PM
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I do not see how an air filter could cause a code, it would be a change in un metered air, which would be compensated/adjusted for by the MAF. A leak past the MAF would throw codes (intake bellow)
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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Code returned, yep crack in intake manifold. SOBs kept my Fram filter. To you Fram haters, I think you believe air filters are far more complicated than they are.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:30 PM
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Code returned, yep crack in intake manifold.
Told you so...

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SOBs kept my Fram filter. To you Fram haters, I think you believe air filters are far more complicated than they are.
Welcome to Phase 4 of foruming: when you realize, one of the drawback of the 1st amendment is that also stupid people get to talk, just as loud (arguably louder) than non-stupid people...
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:18 PM
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Code returned, yep crack in intake manifold. SOBs kept my Fram filter. To you Fram haters, I think you believe air filters are far more complicated than they are.
"Complication" has nothing to do with it. While, I agree, the air filter can't cause a code to be thrown, there is definitely a difference in quality of materials used in building filters of different brands/price points.

Yes, some materials are of a higher quality, and they tend to cost more.

I personally won't use any Fram filter after I saw a couple of their oil filters basically deteriorate into nothing....YMMV. Over the years I have come to realize, you really do get what you pay for when it comes to parts.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:31 AM
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First off, I am the Tech manager at FRAM. If you understand engine management and OBDII systems, you know that what the dealer told you is total BS. FRAM air filters are 99% efficiency and meet or exceed every single performance parameter of the OE filter tested according to OE ISO test standards for both efficiency and capacity.
And for the guy using the K+N, check the GMC truck forum for the independent air filters they paid to get tested in a lab setting. 10 filters tested, only one let more dirt in the engine than the K+N, a UNI filter.
More than happy to answer serious filter questions at jay.buckley@framgrp.com
BTW- one of my trainers drives a 2002 3 series, been running FRAM oil and air filters for 189k miles, still running like a top with no CEL lamps on.
I still think FRAM is a low-end brand, I wouldn't use them on any of my cars. And this is a wide spread opinion, I've read over the years.
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I still think FRAM is a low-end brand, I wouldn't use them on any of my cars. And this is a wide spread opinion, I've read over the years.
And after this reply to FRAM tach manager, I propose we end the topic and all remember what Confucius said

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