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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 03-13-2012, 11:33 AM
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Panties in a bunch much? Amazing how many cry babies there are on this forum.

I was referring to the ridiculous back and forth that was occuring regarding the fuel.

Civility and respect? Maybe if there weren't so many retarded posts on this forum.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:52 PM
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The gas station around my home, Premium costs 4.29, Diesel costs 4.99
Go to NJ

I used to have family in Newark and it is ridiculous the price difference between state borders
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I am amazed at some of the super cheap ass and overly sensitive people on this forum, I could name a couple but then they would become overly sensitive, it amazes me the debates on fuel octane , etc, if you buy the vehicle and it states that premium is recommended and you knew that why would you think anything different, Oh I get it, the salesman stated that to you and you believed him.



OP, today is the EXACT reason why I bought my diesel.

Took a trip up north today. All highway. About 40 miles one day. Average cruising speed was well over 70 mph and guess what the X5d averaged? 27.6 mpg. Try that in your petrol powered engine
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:56 PM
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I find the tier 1 standards slightly contradictory.

Even though the BMW manual tells you to steer the fcuck away from ethanol containing E 85 (saying that it will mess up your engine) the "tier 1" standards mandate 8-10% ethanol.





I would rather have pure gas, and use Techron before an oil change.
Let's start dissecting your crap... You have no idea wtf you're talking about.

E85 isn't 15% ethanol and 85% petrol, it's [b]85%[b] pure ethanol and 15% gasoline. It's a mixture.

Regular Tier 1 gas 8-10% ethanol in it. E85 is not the same as regular gas.


And you seriously believe Bob's Corner Mart has "pure" gasoline? Almost no one does. Not Chevron, Shell, Sunoco, NO ONE.


I somehow doubt you are a regular on Bob the Oil Guy forums, if you thought that E85 was the same as regular gas...
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:13 PM
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Let's start dissecting your crap... You have no idea wtf you're talking about.

E85 isn't 15% ethanol and 85% petrol, it's [b]85%[b] pure ethanol and 15% gasoline. It's a mixture.

Regular Tier 1 gas 8-10% ethanol in it. E85 is not the same as regular gas.


And you seriously believe Bob's Corner Mart has "pure" gasoline? Almost no one does. Not Chevron, Shell, Sunoco, NO ONE.


I somehow doubt you are a regular on Bob the Oil Guy forums, if you thought that E85 was the same as regular gas...

You are basically repeating what I said, and then insulting me on top.

I'm not going to pay extra for adulterated 8-10% ethanol containing tier 1 "gas".

I will stick to the purer gas

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Old 03-13-2012, 02:15 PM
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You are basically repeating what I said, and then insulting me on top.

I'm not going to pay extra for adulterated 8-10% ethanol containing "gas".
No. You said that BMW doesn't want you to put in E85 (which is diff't from regular gasoline), and then you go on to say that tier 1 gas has ethanol. Gasoline with a little ethanol is not the same as E85, which has 85% ethanol in it.
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:24 PM
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No. You said that BMW doesn't want you to put in E85 (which is diff't from regular gasoline), and then you go on to say that tier 1 gas has ethanol. Gasoline with a little ethanol is not the same as E85, which has 85% ethanol in it.
Thanks for that clarification.

My point again is that I'm not going to pay extra for 8-10% ethanol containing Tier 1 gas, when I can get purer gas.

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Old 03-13-2012, 02:39 PM
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What type of GAS is recommended by BMW on diesel engines ?

1. Leaded gasoline
2. R410a Refrigerant
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4. None of the above
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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Can we have an IQ test in the future for potential new forum members ?

Question:

What type of GAS is recommended by BMW on diesel engines ?

1. Leaded gasoline
2. R410a Refrigerant
3.Unleaded premium
4. None of the above
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5. cheap drinking alcohol
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:50 PM
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And you seriously believe Bob's Corner Mart has "pure" gasoline? Almost no one does. Not Chevron, Shell, Sunoco, NO ONE.

There are still some ethanol free gases around.

You gotta stop going to Tier 1.
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I have a '12 X5 35i. My prior truck was a 2010 Touareg TDI. ..
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This is a better tow car than the Touareg, and I do not need, or miss, the diesel.
You are the first person I hear from who stated a gasser tows beter than a diesel.

Although TDI and 35d are different vehicles, I expect them to behave similarly when towing.

Did the Touareg hit high RPMs when towing?
Basically, I was hoping to know specifically how 35i tows better than TDI, since you implied 35i would tow better than 35d.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:23 PM
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There are still some ethanol free gases around.

You gotta stop going to Tier 1.
Some BMW Techs would say pure gas (corn-free) is the preferred choice as long as it's coming from a busy station (ie fresh) with newer storage/dispensing equipment (reduced chance of contamination). Pure gas is not too hard to find in some areas and nearly impossible in others (eg Northeast).
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:17 PM
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You are the first person I hear from who stated a gasser tows beter than a diesel.

Although TDI and 35d are different vehicles, I expect them to behave similarly when towing.

Did the Touareg hit high RPMs when towing?
Basically, I was hoping to know specifically how 35i tows better than TDI, since you implied 35i would tow better than 35d.
This was really a comment about the more stable feel of the X5 chassis relative to the shorter wheelbase and softer sprung TDI. But it was also about how pleased I was with the power of the turbo gas motor, especially at higher altitudes, and the seamlessness of the 8-speed as an integrated unit with the motor. Overall, I like the X5 35i better than the TDI for towing. I have no basis to compare the 35d 6 speed with the 35i 8 speed, but for my race car towing feel no reason relating to lack of power or anything else to want the diesel; especially since it is slower for general use, and the 8 speed is a significant improvement compared to the 6 speed in the diesel.

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Old 03-14-2012, 05:05 PM
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This was way more abut gas than I thought this post would be. I picked diesel because the dealer had 4 of them on the lot, no gas models, and a really bad month. I wasnt in the market for the 8 cyl, and I figured I'd steal the diesel away from him (which I did) to get a great deal. It's my first diesel, and my first BMW since I traded in my '81 733i, and have never been happier. Went from filling up gas once or twice a week, to every three weeks. Power is awesome. This ride is a machine. I'm sure I would have been thrilled to get into a 35i, but I really have no basis for comparison since I only drove 35d's.
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:10 PM
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Your story parallels mine. I bought the 35i because I got a great deal on the truck I wanted. I might just as easily have bought a 35d if the deal and equipment had been right. Both are fine vehicles. I am very pleased that the 35i ended up being such a good tow vehicle for the 4200-4500 lbs I tow to races around the Midwest. The point is that I don't need the diesel.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:15 AM
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Go to NJ

I used to have family in Newark and it is ridiculous the price difference between state borders
NJ is cheap because they don't have sales tax on gasoline.
I live in Brooklyn, so paying $9 for the tunnels and my trip going back and forth is not worth saving a few bucks, I'd probably lose more money going to NJ!
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:21 PM
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Not in my 2008 gas X5 manual.

It merely says 91 is "highly recommended" and makes a specific point the car will function fine on 87
This is why I never buy a used car. Never know what kind of **** the previous owner will do.
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:49 AM
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I don't have a diesel, but I am considering one after the refresh-if they release the 40d or maybe a V8 diesel.



This is why I never buy a used car. Never know what kind of **** the previous owner will do.

Well I'm surprised that even in the latest manuals with the twin turbo engines, it says you can use 87 (see BMWUSA.COM).

I don't even have twin turboes. I have the older engine from 2008.

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Well I'm surprised that even in the latest manuals with the twin turbo engines, it says you can use 87 (see BMWUSA.COM).

I don't even have twin turboes. I have the older engine from 2008.
By twin are you saying that there's two turbos? Because that's not the case with the N55. It is a single twin-scroll turbo.
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1. I am European and I love diesels
2. The diesel engine is the only right and perfect engine for SUV
3. high low rpm torque, more efficient technology, more power, less air pollution
4. 30% better MPG than gas engine
5. the sound of the engine (growl, turbos)
6. the amazing passing power even at 80mph without kicking down to lower gear
7. to be different
8. to answer questions like "I didn't know BMW makes diesels, is it a special model?"
9. the safety of the diesel fuel
10. diesel engine under the hood inspires power and reliability
11. if you take care of the diesel engine you can easy hit 500,000 miles
12. MPG gets better with the mileage
13. the engine is built with much stronger components (alloys, bearings etc.) to meet the higher compression demands
14. strongest transmission built tough to handle the high torque
15. because of this mega BMW diesel factory for research, development, test and build of only and all diesel engines http://www.bmw-werk-steyr.at/
16. the Diesel technology is not exhausted and there are much better engines to come. BMW proves that with the new masterpiece diesel engine used in M550D, X5MD, X6MD - 3.0L, tri-turbo 381HP. 546lb-ft, 0-60 5.4sec and all this with better fuel economy than 35D
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We got diesel X5 because:
1. I am European and I love diesels
2. The diesel engine is the only right and perfect engine for SUV
3. high low rpm torque, more efficient technology, more power, less air pollution
4. 30% better MPG than gas engine
5. the sound of the engine (growl, turbos)
6. the amazing passing power even at 80mph without kicking down to lower gear
7. to be different
8. to answer questions like "I didn't know BMW makes diesels, is it a special model?"
9. the safety of the diesel fuel
10. diesel engine under the hood inspires power and reliability
11. if you take care of the diesel engine you can easy hit 500,000 miles
12. MPG gets better with the mileage
13. the engine is built with much stronger components (alloys, bearings etc.) to meet the higher compression demands
14. strongest transmission built tough to handle the high torque
15. because of this mega BMW diesel factory for research, development, test and build of only and all diesel engines http://www.bmw-werk-steyr.at/
16. the Diesel technology is not exhausted and there are much better engines to come. BMW proves that with the new masterpiece diesel engine used in M550D, X5MD, X6MD - 3.0L, tri-turbo 381HP. 546lb-ft, 0-60 5.4sec and all this with better fuel economy than 35D


Only thing I would change is "1. I am American and love diesels"

I didn't buy an BMW just for the roundel. This is my first BMW and I bought it because I was looking for a diesel SUV. The choices are limited to mainly German providers and the X5 proved to be the strongest and best handling of the X5/Q7/GL that I drove.

I loved my Escalade ESV for room and comfort but the mileage was unbelievably bad and despite having gobs of power it was still a monster of a vehicle and drove as such.

Give me a turbo gasser in a 535 or 335 all day, but only oil burners in my X5

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We got diesel X5 because:
1. I am European and I love diesels
2. The diesel engine is the only right and perfect engine for SUV
3. high low rpm torque, more efficient technology, more power, less air pollution
4. 30% better MPG than gas engine
5. the sound of the engine (growl, turbos)
6. the amazing passing power even at 80mph without kicking down to lower gear
7. to be different
8. to answer questions like "I didn't know BMW makes diesels, is it a special model?"
9. the safety of the diesel fuel
10. diesel engine under the hood inspires power and reliability
11. if you take care of the diesel engine you can easy hit 500,000 miles
12. MPG gets better with the mileage
13. the engine is built with much stronger components (alloys, bearings etc.) to meet the higher compression demands
14. strongest transmission built tough to handle the high torque
15. because of this mega BMW diesel factory for research, development, test and build of only and all diesel engines http://www.bmw-werk-steyr.at/
16. the Diesel technology is not exhausted and there are much better engines to come. BMW proves that with the new masterpiece diesel engine used in M550D, X5MD, X6MD - 3.0L, tri-turbo 381HP. 546lb-ft, 0-60 5.4sec and all this with better fuel economy than 35D
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x2 on #16. I want that 50d X5!!
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Check out the new M division Diesel line
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Well I'm surprised that even in the latest manuals with the twin turbo engines, it says you can use 87 (see BMWUSA.COM).

I don't even have twin turboes. I have the older engine from 2008.
I believe they say you can use 87 octane because they need to differentiate themselves from Mercedes.

That said I have a NA motor and I choose to use and will fill up with 91, 93, 94, whatever is the highest grade I can find. I paid $$$ for a performance SUV, I'm not going to try to save a few bucks here and there on cheaper gasoline. I also use Techron every 3000 miles, have injector cleaning service done regularly.
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