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Old 03-19-2012, 05:19 PM
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Directly from the BMW Canada website.

Who gives a shtt what your sales guy told you.

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Max. output: BMW recommends the use of super unleaded 95 RON fuel. Unleaded RON 91 fuel or higher with a maximum ethanol limit of 10 percent (E10) is also permitted. The performance and fuel consumption rates listed are based on the use of RON 98 fuel.
By far the dumbest thread of the year.
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Directly from the BMW Canada website.

Who gives a shtt what your sales guy told you.



By far the dumbest thread of the year.

Was there a point there??
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:26 PM
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BMW's have a max ethanol limit of 10%, but Shell uses more than 10%

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:07 PM
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Was there a point there??
And... ignored.
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:21 PM
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:What about the original topic of this thread, please forget about the gasoline conversation, we are diesel guys.
The gas guys can't swallow that they made a mistake buying a gas X5 and they desperately need some attention to foolishly trick themselves that they got the right car /no offense/
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What about the original topic of this thread, please forget about the gasoline conversation, we are diesel guys.
The gas guys can't swallow that they made a mistake buying a gas X5 and they desperately need some attention to foolishly trick themselves that they got the right car
Yeah, but do you use super diesel, or regular diesel?
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Yeah, but do you use super diesel, or regular diesel?
I use only shell premium diesel. At the TDI forums I found that it has between 45 and 48 cetane rating
Once and last I tried (not sure if it was Sunoco or Citgo) diesel 40 cetane, but the engine was running like a tractor plus lower MPG. Had to use some LiquiMoly Super Diesel additive to help the engine to swallow it before the next Shell fill-up
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I use only shell premium diesel. At the TDI forums I found that it has between 45 and 48 cetane rating
Once and last I tried (not sure if it was Sunoco or Citgo) diesel 40 cetane, but the engine was running like a tractor plus lower MPG. Had to use some LiquiMoly Super Diesel additive to help the engine to swallow it before the next Shell fill-up
Too literal dude. Out in west TX, we have a choice between diesel or diesel.
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If it contains more energy, why do these engines make less power at 87 versus 91+? Why do they get better MPG at higher octanes? because they were designed to run on higher octanes. See BMW doesn't realize that there are cheap BMW owners out there who are stingy to put the proper petrol into their $50k+ SUV


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Sorry but CC is correct.

91+ octane has greater knock resistance, which is what allows it to make higher maximum power. That is NOT the same thing as fuel efficiency. Do you need that added knock resistance while sitting and idling? What about while loafing down the highway? Nope and nope. What's more useful in a lot of those situations is higher energy content per gallon, which is precisely what 87 octane has. There are far too many variables in play to be able to make blanket statements as to which fuel octane level will give you the best overall MPGs. Specific vehicle, gearing, routes, traffic, average speeds, driving style, etc. I've had this go both ways in vehicles I've owned over the years.
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:What about the original topic of this thread, please forget about the gasoline conversation, we are diesel guys.
The gas guys can't swallow that they made a mistake buying a gas X5 and they desperately need some attention to foolishly trick themselves that they got the right car /no offense/
Right, foolish tricks like that the turbo gas is faster, has a superior transmission, costs less initially, has lower or very close net operational costs, has less "hassle factor" regarding fill-ups and adblue refills. Right, right, great point.

Given the low 6000 lb tow limit, and the clear ability of the turbo gas to tow that---I know, having towed a covered trailer with a racecar inside about 2500 miles including through the Rockies and into 30 mph winds; have you tested the towing ability of the turbo gas???--any justification for the diesel has disappeared, and it is just personal subjective preference and ego gratification beyond that.

Both are great choices. The foolishness is not admitting that.

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:What about the original topic of this thread, please forget about the gasoline conversation, we are diesel guys.
The gas guys can't swallow that they made a mistake buying a gas X5 and they desperately need some attention to foolishly trick themselves that they got the right car /no offense/
Not Me.. I hate the loud diesel engine noise, and the smell... I will be ordering a new X5 soon and it will be a 35i.
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I find the tier 1 standards slightly contradictory.

Even though the BMW manual tells you to steer the fcuck away from ethanol containing E 85 (saying that it will mess up your engine) the "tier 1" standards mandate 8-10% ethanol.





I would rather have pure gas, and use Techron before an oil change.
http://forum.roadfly.com/threads/126...ctane-gasoline
This pretty much explains it all.
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Well I'm surprised that even in the latest manuals with the twin turbo engines, it says you can use 87 (see BMWUSA.COM).

I don't even have twin turboes. I have the older engine from 2008.
Preminum Unleaded fuel is required/recommended for all high compression engines, including motorcycles. Turbo based engines are typically high compression engines, but does not mean that your 08 bimmer is not a high compression engine. The only reason you can get around "fine" on 87 octane fuel is because you have a computer which retards the timing and performance of the engine to avoid premature explosion of 87 octane fuel in the cylinder otherwise known as knocking, therefore reducing performance and gas mileage. you may save initially at the pump but you will be filling up more frequently, getting worse gas mileage and decreased performance, so basically whats the point?
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Not Me.. I hate the loud diesel engine noise, and the smell... I will be ordering a new X5 soon and it will be a 35i.
Smell????????

My Silverado smells like a tractor (which I love) and my wife hates that. I can start the X5d up in the garage before I open the door (homelink for not working while off). And my wfie has never once even mentioned a smell...

I'll stick my nose by the tailpipe tonight to confirm but I certainly don't think it "smells".

I suppose it spews black smoke too?

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Preminum Unleaded fuel is required/recommended for all high compression engines, including motorcycles. Turbo based engines are typically high compression engines, but does not mean that your 08 bimmer is not a high compression engine. The only reason you can get around "fine" on 87 octane fuel is because you have a computer which retards the timing and performance of the engine to avoid premature explosion of 87 octane fuel in the cylinder otherwise known as knocking, therefore reducing performance and gas mileage. you may save initially at the pump but you will be filling up more frequently, getting worse gas mileage and decreased performance, so basically whats the point?
Up to the bolded part is true. The bolded part is, at best, only conditionally true, which means that in some cases it's also not true. Again, a long highway haul you do NOT need anything higher than 87 octane fuel, 87 octane has more energy content for unit (BTUs), and can give better mileage unless you're going through a lot of hills or are towing.

The BMW and other manufacturers' comments are designed to steer you towards putting whatever they want you to put in the car. Unfortunately, cars are a lot more complicated than blanket statements like these.

Times they be a changing too.... No, premium fuel is not necessarily a requirement for any and all high compression and/or turbocharged engines. A LOT of factors go into determining whether or not a higher octane fuel will be required. Compression ratio is the most visible of those factors for sure, but there are others. The new Mazda SkyActiv engines are naturally aspirated and direct injected and run 14.0:1 compression ratios in Europe, or 13.0:1 in the U.S., on regular fuel. GM's 60* DOHC V6 engines are running 12-13:1 compression ratios on regular gas also, along with a lot of their other engines. The engine/generator in the Chevy Volt is not a super high compression engine, but it actually requires premium! Different engine, vastly different usage and typical loading, and thus different fueling requirements.

Somebody from the UK on the F10 forum has a 550i with the Twin-Turbo V8. They've tried it and found no noticeable decrease in performance OR MILEAGE by putting regular grade fuel in the car. They do a lot of highway driving, which is precisely the condition which minimizes your need for fuel octane level, especially with such a huge and powerful engine. How heavily do you have to load that engine to keep an F10 moving on the highway? Hardly at all, and most certainly not enough to truly be needing higher octane fuel if that's the majority of your driving.

I do think it's silly to be driving such a powerful and expensive car just to put regular gas in it, but hey.... It can work just fine in some cases.
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Not Me.. I hate the loud diesel engine noise, and the smell...
Just to add, you forgot the black clouds of smoke buddy, also the low torque, low power and engine not starting in cold temps
I guess you should contact Mythbusters
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Just to add, you forgot the black clouds of smoke buddy, also the low torque, low power and engine not starting in cold temps
I guess you should contact Mythbusters
Are you saying that diesel engine is not loud and is only a myth?

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W/O the diesel credit in thousands of dollars, probably not a single one of these diesel owners would be driving the 35d right now. They hate admitting it, but its ok, we petro owners understand.
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W/O the diesel credit in thousands of dollars, probably not a single one of these diesel owners would be driving the 35d right now. They hate admitting it, but its ok, we petro owners understand.
I freely admit it. The diesel is better, but not $3,500 better.

SO when the diesel credits were offered, I jumped at the chance in 2010 to get better performance and better mpg without paying more for it.
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Wow, a bunch of diesel haters here ( my car is better then your car kid stuff). I love the diesel for so many reasons but you gas folks can feel the same for yours. But NO WAY can you out perform the diesel no matter how much you pound your keyboard. Get over it enjoy what you have and move on. What a stupid stupid thread. The op must have been board stiff to start it in the first place. Sorry I read it in the first place.
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W/O the diesel credit in thousands of dollars, probably not a single one of these diesel owners would be driving the 35d right now. They hate admitting it, but its ok, we petro owners understand.
I got diesel because I wanted diesel and the ECO credit was a nice bonus on top of that. I believe the bigger part of the X5D owners think the same

0428 for the last 2 years in this forum you've been trying to convince yourself that you didn't make a mistake of buying a gas X5. In all your posts you've been spitting against the diesel engine. That's wrong because everyone has his own preference for the engine type. Enjoy what you have
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W/O the diesel credit in thousands of dollars, probably not a single one of these diesel owners would be driving the 35d right now. They hate admitting it, but its ok, we petro owners understand.
Totally wrong. I've had my D for less than 8 months, and I'm just shy of 18,000 miles. I got a diesel because I love having a 500+ mile range on a single tank. I also love the torque, and the fact that I can easily reprogram it for more performance. If BMW brought the X5M diesel over here, it would definitely be on my list.
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W/O the diesel credit in thousands of dollars, probably not a single one of these diesel owners would be driving the 35d right now. They hate admitting it, but its ok, we petro owners understand.
I would have still bought my 2010 X5 35d without the credit.
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It looks like the X5 diesel guys are majority here and I guess the most of them think like me, that 35i (3.0L twin-turbo) engine is great (except some HPFP failures in the past) but this engine sits much better installed in coupes, sedans, hatcbacks etc.
Gas engine in SUV equals a diesel engine in Ferrari
Diesel engine is the one and the only that should be installed in any kind of SUV and this should be written with a law

And you are right this thread is getting wild
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