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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 03-29-2012, 09:38 PM
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What make you sure they haven't already done so?

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If the EPA were to physically test the 335i, I'm sure the 328i will no longer be getting the same economy numbers. - lol
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:23 AM
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The lower MPG makes the 335d owners feel a bit better.
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:18 AM
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I'm still seeing the old 24/36 on the EPA site:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...8i&srchtyp=ymm
Finally changed: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/32175.shtml
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:15 AM
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So now the 528i has a better fuel economy than a 328i... lol. EPA should insure more consistency.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:29 AM
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So now the 528i has a better fuel economy than a 328i... lol. EPA should insure more consistency.
It's the EPA, a government behemoth that can't do anything right. A guy in one office says one thing, and a guy in another office, a state over, says something completely contrary. It's a typical government FUBAR.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:40 AM
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So now the 528i has a better fuel economy than a 328i... lol. EPA should insure more consistency.
I think tarf provided a fairly plausible explanation why this may be the case in post #62.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:18 AM
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Yeah, I'm reviving it, and referencing Hyundai and Kia, but it's relevant.

"EPA finds Hyundai, Kia overstated gas mileage
Hyundai and Kia overstated the gas mileage on 900,000 vehicles sold in the past three years, a discovery that could bring sanctions from the U.S. government and millions of dollars in reimbursements to car owners."

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...asmileage.html
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:50 PM
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Yeah, I'm reviving it, and referencing Hyundai and Kia, but it's relevant.

"EPA finds Hyundai, Kia overstated gas mileage
Hyundai and Kia overstated the gas mileage on 900,000 vehicles sold in the past three years, a discovery that could bring sanctions from the U.S. government and millions of dollars in reimbursements to car owners."

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...asmileage.html
They've actually announced they're going to write checks to owners each year for the difference.
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:34 PM
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They've actually announced they're going to write checks to owners each year for the difference.
The article I saw said they were going to issue debit cards to people which is slightly different than writing a check. The debit card would have money added to it each year you still owned the vehicle.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:48 PM
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They've actually announced they're going to write checks to owners each year for the difference.
Does that mean if I get better mileage on my car than BMW advertised, I have to pay BMW something each year I benefit from that?

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Old 11-02-2012, 04:13 PM
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Does that mean if I get better mileage on my car than BMW advertised, I have to pay BMW something each year I benefit from that?
I am sure if you were getting 50% better gas mileage than advertised, BMW would want to buy your car to figure out how it's happening, so that they can sell you (and everyone else) that design for more money.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:57 AM
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For a car with this weight, hp, and torque...i'll take 26 mpg anytime...which is also my first month mpg number.

EPA Issues New Test Methods for Fuel Economy Window Stickers
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/carlabel/doc.../420f06069.pdf
Key phrase/statement..."EPA fuel economy estimates will use vehicle-specific data from tests designed to replicate three real-world conditions"
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:54 AM
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The F10 550xi has had some interesting fluctuations in the EPA numbers over the past three years without any changes to the drivetrain.

2011 - 16 City, 24 Hwy, 18 Combined
2012 - 15 City, 20 Hwy, 17 Combined
2013 - 16 City, 24 Hwy, 19 Combined
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:19 AM
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The article I saw said they were going to issue debit cards to people which is slightly different than writing a check. The debit card would have money added to it each year you still owned the vehicle.
No, it's no different provided I was speaking figuratively, which I was. I'll be honest, I wasn't targeting accountants or people who would actually make this distinction in this context on a message board. Get a life.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:06 PM
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The F10 550xi has had some interesting fluctuations in the EPA numbers over the past three years without any changes to the drivetrain.

2011 - 16 City, 24 Hwy, 18 Combined
2012 - 15 City, 20 Hwy, 17 Combined
2013 - 16 City, 24 Hwy, 19 Combined
Perhaps the EPA changes their testing standard just so they can justify re-testing some of the vehicles that are more fun to drive
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i could care less, anyone that actually gets those numbers drives like a grandma
i love that little turbo4
Agreed. I don't know how to get 26mpg and I don't think I'll ever find out. If I wanted fuel economy, I would have gotten one of those toy electric cars.

21.4MPG. Not shabby considering how much time I spend ripping around in Sport mode.
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Here is a screenshot from my trip computer- North Austin to Dallas last Sunday after the F1 race. I reset the computer once I got on the highway and took the picture right after getting off. Even if it is 10% off, I am damn impressed.

I got around 30mpg during my ED driving from Munich to Nice.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:39 AM
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Here is a screenshot from my trip computer- North Austin to Dallas last Sunday after the F1 race. I reset the computer once I got on the highway and took the picture right after getting off. Even if it is 10% off, I am damn impressed.

I got around 30mpg during my ED driving from Munich to Nice.
Nice!

What driving mode were you in?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:57 AM
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Nice!

What driving mode were you in?
Let me add I have a 328i... I was probably in Eco-pro with some quick jaunts to 80-85, but otherwise following the flow of traffic. On the way down, I think I averaged 37 or so.

Even if the trip computer is off by 10% on that short stretch, I am impressed. On my previous full tank calculations, it was off by about 1mpg, but that could be due to how much gas was put in versus that last fill up.
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This is completely consistent with what I'm able to get, driving back and forth between New Jersey and New Hampshire. Here's a shot from my first break at a rest stop on I90 in Massachusetts after 126 miles.



Ran into a little traffic on the Merritt Parkway and ended up averaging just over 39 mpg for the entire 320 mile trip. I'll try to remember to reset the trip computer and capture my entire trip next time. This was in Comfort mode. I don't ever use ECO PRO.
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So BMW cans the I-6 for the 4 banger mainly for improved gas mileage and then you have to revise the MPG lower than 26 mpg. What am I missing with this picture, my e46 323 with the I-6 was getting around 26 mpg mixed driving, the engine was rock solid, smooth as silk and ran like a dream. My turbo charged 8 cyl with 400 hp is getting me 20.3 mpg so to hear that the EPA is revising the current 26 mpg for the F30 is really disappointing in my book.
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So BMW cans the I-6 for the 4 banger mainly for improved gas mileage and then you have to revise the MPG lower than 26 mpg. What am I missing with this picture, my e46 323 with the I-6 was getting around 26 mpg mixed driving, the engine was rock solid, smooth as silk and ran like a dream. My turbo charged 8 cyl with 400 hp is getting me 20.3 mpg so to hear that the EPA is revising the current 26 mpg for the F30 is really disappointing in my book.
Comparing EPA numbers to your real world numbers isn't a fair comparison, don't you think? There are plenty of people with F30 328i 3 series getting much better then EPA MPG.

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:28 PM
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Seriously, you're talking about buying a $40,000-$60,000 car. Why does everyone worry so much about gas mileage?? If you care that much, get a base model Corolla or Civic.





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This sucks. One of the reasons I ordered a 328 was the better fuel economy on the automatic. Now I wish I'd gone with a 335 maybe...

Anyone care to talk me down?
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Have you checked the accuracy of the mpg display against tank fill ups?


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This is completely consistent with what I'm able to get, driving back and forth between New Jersey and New Hampshire. Here's a shot from my first break at a rest stop on I90 in Massachusetts after 126 miles.



Ran into a little traffic on the Merritt Parkway and ended up averaging just over 39 mpg for the entire 320 mile trip. I'll try to remember to reset the trip computer and capture my entire trip next time. This was in Comfort mode. I don't ever use ECO PRO.
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I have verified the reported MPG vs actual based on miles verses gallons used several times.

For me, the computer reports about 2MPG higher than actual; not too bad.

On the open road if I drive conservatively (i.e. not "sporty"), I can easily get 38 to 42 MPG if I want to.

I love having a car that's fun when you want it to be (at the expense of MPG), or economical when I feel like doing that. The N20 is an amazingly versatile engine.
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