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Old 11-11-2013, 11:12 PM
ZappBrannigan ZappBrannigan is offline
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FRM / Footwell module

So I took my 2010 328i to a local euro shop for a brake fluid service. A few hours later they call and say that the lights aren't working. I had no problems prior to dropping off the car. At the end of the day the shop calls and says I need a new FRM / footwell module and it will cost over $500 to replace (in addition to the brake fluid service).

Needless to say, I am super skeptical about the entire situation. The shop insists that the FRM failure is just a coincidence. They told me that from failure is common. I never had any lighting, window, or other electrical problems before I brought it to the shop.

Currently, I have asked them not to work on the car so that I can take it to the dealership. I don't trust them. At any rate I will likely be out of pocket between $500-$1000.

I tried doing research on frm failures but found very little. Am I being taken? Any know anything about from module failure?
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:29 PM
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So I took my 2010 328i to a local euro shop for a brake fluid service. A few hours later they call and say that the lights aren't working. I had no problems prior to dropping off the car. At the end of the day the shop calls and says I need a new FRM / footwell module and it will cost over $500 to replace (in addition to the brake fluid service).

Needless to say, I am super skeptical about the entire situation. The shop insists that the FRM failure is just a coincidence. They told me that from failure is common. I never had any lighting, window, or other electrical problems before I brought it to the shop.

Currently, I have asked them not to work on the car so that I can take it to the dealership. I don't trust them. At any rate I will likely be out of pocket between $500-$1000.

I tried doing research on frm failures but found very little. Am I being taken? Any know anything about from module failure?
i've read over the years that a couple have been replaced, so definetly possible, however it seems to be quite rare. Mine has glitch in it, where the scroll wheel to raise and lower the headlights (halogen) sometimes works, but since I don't really care about that function anyway, I've just left it as it always stays in the highest setting anyway. But it's a bit of a coincidence to have just failed exactly when you took it to them, but I still don't know what options you have apart from taking it somewhere else for another opinion.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:12 AM
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FRM / Footwell module

I agree it could just be a coincidence but it seems hard to swallow.
When you take it to the dealership ask them if they can determine the cause of failure before you go back to the first shop and raise hell unnecessarily.


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Old 11-12-2013, 10:26 AM
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You can buy a used FRM and code it in. You can even upgrade from your FRM2 to FRM 3. You'll get a couple new features, nothing crazy.

FRM sits in the driver's side footwell, by the OBDII port. It's about the same location under the brake fluid reservoir in the engine bay. I can't say for sure that fluid can leak into the cabin at that location, but I would pull the cover for the FRM module and see if there is any liquid there.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:45 PM
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This really sucks. I'll need to take it to the dealer so that means pretty much missing a day of work on top of all the repair costs.

Also the windows are open and cannot be closed. So no lights and windows down. It is cold these days.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:52 PM
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I would follow fdriller's advice before any evidence you have could evaporate. Should be easy to get to.

I recently did my first brake fluid job in the summer with a pressure bleeder. The cap wasn't sealed 100.00% and a bit leaked out, I was pretty careful with covering a lot of things, but flushed a bit of water down in the area for good measure (because it will eat paint). The water seemed to drip out nearby where the jack point is behind the wheel, FYI.

I don't know about other methods, but I have come across certain DIY mistakes made on other cars where they are nearly "gushing" out brake fluid. If a mechanic did this on accident, I could see them pouring a lot of water down in the area, I'm just dumbly guessing, some of the knowledgeable mechanics here might know what does typically happen.

It is a weird "coincidence". It's one thing if they were fixing a flat tire at the right rear, but that FRM is indeed right in that area where brake fluid goes, and roughly in the path of where my "dripping water" had flowed to.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:14 PM
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So I took my 2010 328i to a local euro shop for a brake fluid service. A few hours later they call and say that the lights aren't working. I had no problems prior to dropping off the car. At the end of the day the shop calls and says I need a new FRM / footwell module and it will cost over $500 to replace (in addition to the brake fluid service).

Needless to say, I am super skeptical about the entire situation. The shop insists that the FRM failure is just a coincidence. They told me that from failure is common. I never had any lighting, window, or other electrical problems before I brought it to the shop.

Currently, I have asked them not to work on the car so that I can take it to the dealership. I don't trust them. At any rate I will likely be out of pocket between $500-$1000.

I tried doing research on frm failures but found very little. Am I being taken? Any know anything about from module failure?

Well, let's be fair - coincidences do happen - you may give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Now then. Where were we? Footwell module! [VIEW PCB HERE] Looks like - thank God! - a conformal coating has been applied. For those not in the printed circuit board industry, that's a coating, usually clear or black, that protects the board from liquids and dirt. Big question: Will Glycol [brake fluid] compromise the coating? And if so, why on Earth did BMW put a coated board there?

Questions for the mighty Oracle to answer - I make no such claim for myself. But I would like a peek at your board, ZappBrannigan. Whattya say?? Hi res photo front & rear?


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Old 11-12-2013, 05:18 PM
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I don't have the car right now. I ask for the damaged module.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:20 PM
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I don't have the car right now. I ask for the damaged module.

Be sure they know that early on - fax is good 'cause there's a receive receipt - they can't deny they got it - can't say they didn't know. Demand that board!
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:21 PM
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Be sure they know that early on - fax is good 'cause there's a receive receipt - they can't deny they got it - can't say they didn't know. Demand that board!
Will do.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:25 PM
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If water or brake fluid is entering the cabin from the vicinity of the brake fluid reservoir, you have bigger/more insidious problems than a dead footwell module.

Rule #1 when repairing consequential damages caused by a leak: You begin by fixing the leak.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:35 PM
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The shop owner says he will pay for the repair cost if the dealer says the shop caused the problem. So this may be something that cannot be proven. Makes me think that fluid did not leak on the module, as that would be obvious evidence.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:49 AM
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You can buy a used FRM and code it in. You can even upgrade from your FRM2 to FRM 3. You'll get a couple new features, nothing crazy.

FRM sits in the driver's side footwell, by the OBDII port. It's about the same location under the brake fluid reservoir in the engine bay. I can't say for sure that fluid can leak into the cabin at that location, but I would pull the cover for the FRM module and see if there is any liquid there.
hi, do you know where i can find a diy how to code new frm module to e90? thanks
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Having replaced the FRM I can tell you that it isn't much fun since I am a big guy and it was winter when I did it.
Mine was actually fine but I coded the car back to the OEM settings.
It is possible that the FRM failed but for a total failure that is highly unusual. Usually when an FRM fails it is because someone shorted a light or window motor. The FRM 3 I believe can be reset like a fuse.
The only way the dealership can tell if the problem was the shops is if there is a fluid in the wiring harness to FRM that can be detected. I have not seem brake fluid make it inside the cabin when some was spilled before but then again it is impossible to rule everything out.

A serviceable FRM 2 or 3 is not expensive and you can have coding done externally if you have a laptop with wifi connection. Some of our members in the coding section offer this service to members. You might want to check that out.

Again total failure is very rare compared to some areas on the FRM failing...
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