Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 3 Series / 4 Series > E30 (1982 - 1993)

E30 (1982 - 1993)
God's Chariot. The E30 was produced primarily from 1982 through 1991. The cabriolet was the one exception which was produced through 1993.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:42 AM
MMK1 MMK1 is offline
Registered User
Location: Tucson
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1
Mein Auto: 1989 BMW 318i
S54 Engine swap into E30

Hey guys, i have a 89 318i and I was wondering how hard it would be to swap in the S54B32 engine/tranny from a 05 BMW M3. If I had the whole donor car, what would be my biggest issue?

Also, would a M52 or S54 be better?
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 03-23-2012, 09:14 AM
fcsteve's Avatar
fcsteve fcsteve is offline
610EUROs
Location: pennsylvania
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,950
Mein Auto: 90' 24v, 89' 325is
this has been covered. its a very hard swap, requires a custom made subframe and over $2000 worth of programming/harness work to get it to run. thats on top of the price of the m3.
__________________
if you want to lead the orchestra, you must turn your back on the crowd

build: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=382667
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-23-2012, 08:36 PM
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
ForcedFirebird ForcedFirebird is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Coral Springs
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 813
Mein Auto: 1986 327is
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcsteve View Post
this has been covered. its a very hard swap, requires a custom made subframe and over $2000 worth of programming/harness work to get it to run. thats on top of the price of the m3.
Custom subframe for an s54? The m54 has the same pan bolt-pattern and fits the e30 with the proper setup.

Yes, the programing is the most expensive part aside from the s54 itself, but seeing the m54 has already been OBDI swapped by locking the exhaust cam, so could the s54. The ITB's and lack of MAF is another story. A quality standalone is less than the guys are charging for EWS delete/Alpha-N tuning from across the pond. The cams can be controlled by a signal just like the older 24v motors.

If the OP has an entire m3, for it to work "easily" all the e46 body harness, lock transponders, BCM etc would have to be transferred over to the e30 chassis.
__________________
Wide Open Throttle Technologies (WOT-Tech)

The 1986 325es Delphin project LINK

Project 1988 325i sedan "Pinky" LINK
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-23-2012, 09:18 PM
fcsteve's Avatar
fcsteve fcsteve is offline
610EUROs
Location: pennsylvania
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,950
Mein Auto: 90' 24v, 89' 325is
the itb's, lack of MAF, ews, drive by wire and a couple other parts are what make the harness/getting it running so expensive. if it was as easy as you mentioned above everyone would do it. the m54 is a close relative, but still a different animal. yes you can delete vanos and make the other options work, but that puts you right back at a super expensive wiring/ecu setup.

in order to fit the proper dual sump oil pan you need a custom subframe.
__________________
if you want to lead the orchestra, you must turn your back on the crowd

build: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=382667
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-23-2012, 09:40 PM
Tkaczuk's Avatar
Tkaczuk Tkaczuk is offline
1 John 1:9
Location: Amish Country
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 652
Mein Auto: E30, Rabbit GTI
Stick with the m50, m52, s50, s52
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-23-2012, 10:07 PM
ForcedFirebird's Avatar
ForcedFirebird ForcedFirebird is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Coral Springs
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 813
Mein Auto: 1986 327is
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcsteve View Post
the itb's, lack of MAF, ews, drive by wire and a couple other parts are what make the harness/getting it running so expensive. if it was as easy as you mentioned above everyone would do it. the m54 is a close relative, but still a different animal. yes you can delete vanos and make the other options work, but that puts you right back at a super expensive wiring/ecu setup.

in order to fit the proper dual sump oil pan you need a custom subframe.
Where besides in quotes did you see "easy"? Alpha_N is no stranger and any standalone is a MAP/MAF based system that can be modified to work ITB's. The dual sump can be overcome with mechanics the VANOS is still a mechanical product, even in the s54, there is a solenoid just like the m54. The dual sump is to overcome g-force of track and high-acceleration conditions, based on data at Homestead last weekend with 2 different MFGR vehicles last weekend, there's a lot to be desired in most OEM oil pickup as well as distribution.

Since the e30m3 can run ITB's, there's no reason the e36 ECU can't be used to do the same with the exception of the exhaust cam control.

What's "super expensive"? If you are spending several thousand on the engine alone for a particular swap, how is it "expensive" to add a couple g's on a tune? A $2k standalone will do all of it, a $1k standalone will work and the Euros want $2.5-3k for an EWS delete including performance tuning.

If one is willing to spend the money on purchasing an e46m3 wrecked/complete/salvaged, what makes you think they won't spend 1/4 more on making it proper in another chassis?
__________________
Wide Open Throttle Technologies (WOT-Tech)

The 1986 325es Delphin project LINK

Project 1988 325i sedan "Pinky" LINK
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-24-2012, 02:13 AM
_Ethrty-Andy_'s Avatar
_Ethrty-Andy_ _Ethrty-Andy_ is offline
E34 Converted E30 Fanatic
Location: Humble New Zealand
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 6,140
Send a message via MSN to _Ethrty-Andy_
Mein Auto: E34 Touring AC Schnitzer
its a no brainer to use a Link ECU if you did that engine. either that or swap the entire E36 M3 body loom and everything into the E30 and let the car's brain know no different. that would be the cheapest albiet potentially most time consuming part
__________________

E30 above Sold

E34 V12 Project Thread Here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=502437&page=4
Last updated 2nd January 2014
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-08-2013, 10:09 PM
p0lar p0lar is offline
Registered User
Location: Midwest
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2
Mein Auto: 2004 BMW ///M3
Just to bump this thread, as soon as we finish the last piece that will fully disable the MSS54 and MSS54HP DMEs from locking from excessive [sic] flashing (50-60 flashes), I'm going to finish the bits required for a fully FREE EWS delete.

More details can be found in this mega-thread.

Specific details can be found in the post I made this evening.

Enough is enough - cheers, to OPEN, community-based development and reverse engineering!

Last edited by p0lar; 01-08-2013 at 10:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-08-2013, 10:32 PM
BMWFatherFigure's Avatar
BMWFatherFigure BMWFatherFigure is offline
Old School
Location: Perth, Western Australia
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,423
Mein Auto: E23;E30;E38;E32;E34 +
Even going the most simple way - A nice winter project. Lot and lots of hours.........
__________________
Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick any two.
Current:
E23 735i; E32 735iL (X 2 - 1 Alpine White and 1 Glacier Blue); E34 535i; E38 735iL; R50 Cooper; R55 Cooper Clubman.
Previous:
E21 318i; E30 318i; E32 735iL; E34 535i; E38 730iL; E53 4.4i
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-08-2013, 11:16 PM
Titan_Omega Titan_Omega is offline
Registered User
Location: Reno, NV
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 61
Mein Auto: 89 325iX and 97 328is
ok bottom line from what everyone is saying its really relatively simple IF and this is a huge IF you know what your doing and have the funds. Not a beginner job at all. I wanted to do it but the $$$$$ alone drove me away from it for now.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
e30, s54


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 3 Series / 4 Series > E30 (1982 - 1993)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms