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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 04-03-2012, 01:07 PM
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Consumer Report dissed the 2012 328i

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At idle, this four-cylinder sounds like a diesel. Incidentally, with its eight-speed automatic, the turbo's 0-60 mph acceleration times are about a half-second quicker than with the old Six mated to a six-speed automatic, but in the real world, you'd never know that. Gone are the effortless linearity, flexibility, and tractable throttle response.

The direct and communicative hydraulic steering that once helped define 3 Series driving feel has been replaced with an electrically-assisted setup. While quick and well-weighted, it is no match for the liveliness and precision of the previous generation's. This 3 Series feels detached and imprecise. That's a clear departure from the engaging, communicative feedback of previous model.

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...ed-to-bmw.html
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:09 PM
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no complaints here i take the n20 over the N52 10 out of 10 times, and i have an e90 in the garage right next to the F30
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:39 PM
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Consumer Reports is the last place I'd look for knowledgeable reporting on enthusiast vehicles.
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I had this same thought - that is sounds like a diesel or a ford ecotec.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:22 PM
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I had this same thought - that is sounds like a diesel or a ford ecotec.
Direct injection sounds like that whether in a diesel or gas motor. Hence the same sound from the Audi, the BMW, the Ford and all other motors with direct injection. Just a little more pronounced on a 4-cylinder.

It is the sound of the future.


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Old 04-03-2012, 02:57 PM
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Direct injection sounds like that whether in a diesel or gas motor. Hence the same sound from the Audi, the BMW, the Ford and all other motors with direct injection. Just a little more pronounced on a 4-cylinder.

It is the sound of the future.


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I am sorry, the Audi's 2.0T is nearly as loud as the new BMW 4 banger.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:57 PM
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It is not about sounding like a diesel outside, it is about sound like a Civic inside. A well deserved blow by CR.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:11 PM
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I really wanted to like the new turb0 4 engine, but after test driving it and also a 335i, have decided on the 335i XDrive, sport, for ED this fall.
I also thought it interesting what the CR test driver said about the new electric assist steering on country roads, where I do most of my driving. Does anyone have any thoughts on the variable ratio steering being a better choice?
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Same boat here. I really wanted to like the 328i, but the "diesel" sound just don't do it for me. Also, I'm starting to feel like the 3 has way too much technology. Start/stop feature!? It's not a hybrid car!! I'd rather pay the extra $ on gas idling at stop lights.

The new tech like the HUD is a + however... Also, I feel like the headlights connecting to the kidney grills is moving away from BMW trademark.. I feel like this will be the only model with that design and will be the last..

F30 335i M-Sport is still my top choice at this point though. Will be test driving it this weekend..

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Old 04-03-2012, 04:25 PM
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This. But I would still prefer the N52.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:28 PM
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The idling sound of the N20 (only from outside) is annoying, but in every other way for me this is a fantastic engine. Honestly I love it. It's so fast I don't know how those of you driving 335's keep your licences, seriously!

And I am not one of those people who feels compelled to just defend what I bought I believe I am very objective.

I do agree the F30 steering (I don't have Active) is very low on feel.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:47 PM
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... Also, I'm starting to feel like the 3 has way too much technology. Start/stop feature!?


The new tech like the HUD is a + however...


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I agree with the "too much tech". How much of that will you ever really use? Features I really like though are:
Auto gear selector - maybe a bit too much Prius, but cool. One danger though: Reverse is forward and forward is backward and is very confusing. Pull the gear lever backwards from Park and she goes into Drive. You need to push forward to get into Reverse. Now you know why my bicycle is bent . Also when in Manual mode, forward gears down and backwards gears up. Quite counterintuitive for me.

Ability to select nav address from your address book is awesome!

HUD is the best and I believe a safety feature, however sunglasses reduces visibility. I got NAV only because of the HUD feature.

Keyless door opening and locking and key-less start - the coolest thing ever. Now that I have mastered the rear-end-kick to open the trunk, I love it.

I absolutely dislike that start/stop "feature" and find it quite intrusive and dangerous. It stops the motor when waiting at an intersection to turn left and the delay to start the motor could be dangerous.

Run-flat tires is a phsychological problem... I will probably change to regular tires soon and carry a patch kit with inflator in the car together with AA membership. Keep the run-flats for when I return the car. Those run-flats are damn expensive and not always available when needed.


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... Also, I'm starting to feel like the 3 has way too much technology. Start/stop feature!?


The new tech like the HUD is a + however...


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Keyless door opening and locking and key-less start - the coolest thing ever. Now that I have mastered the rear-end-kick to open the trunk, I love it.


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I forgot to mention the Keyless. This is the most important feature for me as well... I refuse to buy my next car without this feature. I looked into the 2012 mustang boss 302 but when the CA told me it doesn't have a keyless feature, I walked away without even looking back.

The start stop system would be better if the computer keeps your setting depending on where (on or off) it was before you turned off the car. I'm sure this is an easy software fix and hopefully they would do this in the next MY
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Here are some excerpts from the article:

At idle, this four-cylinder sounds like a diesel. Incidentally, with its eight-speed automatic, the turbo's 0-60 mph acceleration times are about a half-second quicker than with the old Six mated to a six-speed automatic, but in the real world, you'd never know that. Gone are the effortless linearity, flexibility, and tractable throttle response.

The direct and communicative hydraulic steering that once helped define 3 Series driving feel has been replaced with an electrically-assisted setup. While quick and well-weighted, it is no match for the liveliness and precision of the previous generation's. This 3 Series feels detached and imprecise. That's a clear departure from the engaging, communicative feedback of previous model.

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...ed-to-bmw.html
Good read, thanks! It's kind of a body blow when Consumer Reports says your handling needs improvement.
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Good read, thanks! It's kind of a body blow when Consumer Reports says your handling needs improvement.
Most people think CR doesnt know much about rating cars, but their long term testing program are actually as good as C&D or motortrend's. Most car ratings from CR are from customers surveys, but CR actually purchase cars for long term testing as well, in this case, the 2012 328i.
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The car enthusiast rags have hinted at the same issues that CR has stated quite bluntly so it doesn't seem fair to say they are way off base.
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Can the Stop/Start feature be bypassed? Does it work in the Sport setting as well?
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Can the Stop/Start feature be bypassed? Does it work in the Sport setting as well?
According to this blog post (4th paragraph) the option to turn it off is right above the ignition button.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/total-vi...35i-21501.html
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Consumer Reports are not the only ones who have commented on the feel of the new steering setup.

BMW obviously tests extensively, so given that there may be a slight difference, there's got t be a reason for goign with this system. I know some people didn't like the stiff or heavy feel of steering in the previous generation.

If this change caused a negligible difference in steering feel and boosts sales, I can see why they'd do it. There is a noticeable difference between sport and comfort modes. If that difference is going to allow more couples to agree on a BMW, well I'd say that speaks for itself. Sorry if that makes some loyal owners feel like BMW is selling out....but if you look at the reduction in interior material quaity across all entry level luxury vehicles over the last decade you'll realize this isn't new.
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Consumer Reports is the last place I'd look for knowledgeable reporting on enthusiast vehicles.
Normally I don't give much credence to CR as they tend to focus too much on reliability (which is not BMW's strong point), gas mileage, etc. with little regard for performance. That's how the Subaru Forester gets the top SUV rating even though it's not really an SUV but rather an ugly station wagon on steriods. But the author of the is a member of BMW CCA and owns a 1977 model. He's a believer.

Quite honestly I am concerned that the "improvements" will be added to future overhauls of the 5-series as is often the case. It is particularly troubling to hear that BMWs prized steering and acceleration have been compromised. If the car is in fact this mediocre then I guess I'll have to consider Audi or Lexus next time (with the latter at least having the benefit of lower-cost long term maintenance).

The buying experience was also panned, no shocker there though the comments could really apply to any dealer that employs imbeciles. Fortunately my BMW salespeople have always been top notch, managers too.
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Quite honestly I am concerned that the "improvements" will be added to future overhauls of the 5-series as is often the case. It is particularly troubling to hear that BMWs prized steering and acceleration have been compromised. If the car is in fact this mediocre then I guess I'll have to consider Audi or Lexus next time (with the latter at least having the benefit of lower-cost long term maintenance).
The electric steering was first put into the new 5 series last year, its not as noticable in the 5 series since the last gen 5 series' steering is pretty soft to start with. The new 4 cyl turbo is now on the 528i, too small of an engine on such a big car in my opinion.
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I agree the 4 Cyl sounds like a diesel a bit who cares?

I am a little disapointed in the amount of noise I can hear while inside. Im surprised no one else has pointed this out, or any reports. In my 2006 525i, I shut the door, and I dont hear anything outside.

My F30 I hear wind, other cars, etc. Its a little annoying - but hey, reminds me to turn up the Eagles!

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