More X1 Details Revealed. Is a diesel or 6-speed manual coming? Find out.

don't buy it...individual trim pieces is not a transmission that not many want....but quit fighting with me here - just get more of your fringe to ask for it!!!

Originally Posted by cgrZ4

Yo Glen E

Here are some suggested readings that may enlighten you a little (both on manufacturing and finance)

1. Go to the BMW Blog website and read the lead article about BMW Individual. This program has been very successful in years for a few years now and BMW USA has begun to implement a limited version here in the US. Seems what ever incremental costs not passed on to the consumer are worth supporting BMW's program as a way to differientiate BMW from MB and Audi.

2. BMW is building these vehicles with these options (diesel engines and manual transmissions) every day. All of the parts and pieces are sitting on the factory floor waiting to be installed. NO EXTRA COST HERE

3. Yes each manufacturer has to get each engine certified by the EPA for each type of vehicle. Audi has already begun this process with their Q5 diesel and BMW better get moving too.

4. As far as fringe lunatic goes this is insane. Check out the latest April sales figures in BMW BLOG. SAV's had a 24% increase in April leading all categories. In today's USATODAY there is an article about an increase in the number of people wanting manual transmissions. Go figure.

5. Choice is a beautiful thing, let those who want these choices have their day with a special order option. I agree don't burden the dealer with having to stock such vehicles

Shocked the Focus is now 10% manual. What is most interesting is how Ford thinks it's the higher income people who want manuals:

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T6B0Squ4390

100k household income is twice the national average and the top 15-20%. Ford thinks it's the groups travels outside the US that leads them to manuals. Interesting take...

Originally Posted by blueguydotcom

Shocked the Focus is now 10% manual. What is most interesting is how Ford thinks it's the higher income people who want manuals:

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T6B0Squ4390

100k household income is twice the national average and the top 15-20%. Ford thinks it's the groups travels outside the US that leads them to manuals. Interesting take...

Makes sense. I test drove a Focus Titanium with the 5MT and its actually a very good drive. Stupidly-priced, yes, but I'm glad Ford started offering the Titanium trim level with 3 pedals because the SE trim level doesn't get a sport suspension in its sport packet or various other possible options.

2013 X1 is much better looking than the current one

Me Likey

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

Makes sense. I test drove a Focus Titanium with the 5MT and its actually a very good drive. Stupidly-priced, yes, but I'm glad Ford started offering the Titanium trim level with 3 pedals because the SE trim level doesn't get a sport suspension in its sport packet or various other possible options.

Seems like the Focus ST at 28-29k fully loaded will be the fun version of that car. Just found the interior space kinda poor compared to the GTI/Golf-R. On paper they're similar. In practice the Golf felt more usable. Hoping the X1 feels more like that than the Focus/Countryman.

Originally Posted by blueguydotcom

Seems like the Focus ST at 28-29k fully loaded will be the fun version of that car. Just found the interior space kinda poor compared to the GTI/Golf-R. On paper they're similar. In practice the Golf felt more usable.

The Golf indeed has better interior space. I sat in the rear of both cars, the Focus isnt bad but it's a bit cramped and I'm not particularly tall (173cm)- taller people will have issues. Also, no rear vents, while the Golf definitely has good rear space and the rear AC-vents.

A bonus is that the VW salesman that there is an accessory tow hitch that can be installed at the dealer for the Golf, a plus for a biker like me who desperately needs a rear hitch-mounted carrier!

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

The Golf indeed has better interior space. I sat in the rear of both cars, the Focus isnt bad but it's a bit cramped and I'm not particularly tall (173cm)- taller people will have issues. Also, no rear vents, while the Golf definitely has good rear space and the rear AC-vents.

A bonus is that the VW salesman that there is an accessory tow hitch that can be installed at the dealer for the Golf, a plus for a biker like me who desperately needs a rear hitch-mounted carrier!

Funny, I've met few people who've looked at the Golf R and other vehicles around that size (which I think the X1 is in that area too). From what I saw though, the X1 doesn't have rear AC vents either (which kinda sucks for rear passengers).

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

A bonus is that the VW salesman that there is an accessory tow hitch that can be installed at the dealer for the Golf, a plus for a biker like me who desperately needs a rear hitch-mounted carrier!

MINI Countryman has factory rear hitch bike carrier as well.

I've driven various Minis and although it's a fine and dandy car, it's not for me.

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

I've driven various Minis and although it's a fine and dandy car, it's not for me.

I took out an all4 manual Countryman. The turbo 1.6 isn't well matched to the Countryman. Hell in my Cooper S coupe the turbo 1.6 was a bit underpowered if I had a passenger in the car. Add 600 lbs and there's no way that little engine has enough to really get the Countryman around. They needed to put a detuned N20 in that thing. Give it 200 HP and 240 ft-lbs and you'd have a nice little car.

Originally Posted by blueguydotcom

I took out an all4 manual Countryman. The turbo 1.6 isn't well matched to the Countryman. Hell in my Cooper S coupe the turbo 1.6 was a bit underpowered if I had a passenger in the car. Add 600 lbs and there's no way that little engine has enough to really get the Countryman around. They needed to put a detuned N20 in that thing. Give it 200 HP and 240 ft-lbs and you'd have a nice little car.

Well power isnt the issue, the problems I have with the Mini includes no diesel (like the X1), the fact there's no 5 door version, and mostly because I don't like the interior. It's not hard to figure out, its just I can't get over the design. I want a more traditional cockpit.

If BMW commits to a diesel X1 with xDrive, I'll put down a deposit ASAP. Hell, I'll do the same thing if Audi brings a Q3 TDI to the US market. First one gets my $$$

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

If BMW commits to a diesel X1 with xDrive, I'll put down a deposit ASAP. Hell, I'll do the same thing if Audi brings a Q3 TDI to the US market. First one gets my $$$

+1

Hear that BMWNA? +1!

In case you missed the news (see here http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=632914), it looks like Diesel is coming back to the US market -- and will most likely include a variant in the X1 based on our interview with Juergen Urban at the start of this thread.

If the X1 is getting a diesel option -- does that change your mind on wanting one?

Said it before and I'll say it again. No Manual, no X1. I can even take the cursed Run Flats and a diesel is nice but if it doesn't have three pedals on the floor, good bye BMW.

Cheers

Originally Posted by pix335i

In case you missed the news (see here http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=632914), it looks like Diesel is coming back to the US market -- and will most likely include a variant in the X1 based on our interview with Juergen Urban at the start of this thread.

If the X1 is getting a diesel option -- does that change your mind on wanting one?

xDrive 25d, please

Originally Posted by X3 Skier

Said it before and I'll say it again. No Manual, no X1. I can even take the cursed Run Flats and a diesel is nice but if it doesn't have three pedals on the floor, good bye BMW.

Cheers

I'm kind of in the same boat, but it is nice to not use a clutch after working out at the gym. I think I could tolerate a diesel X1 with a 6 or 8 speed steptragic, as long as the torque is over 400 ft-lbs and power somewhere closer to 300 than 200 hp.

I guess time will tell. If they made an M-sport X1 xDrive35d 6MT, I'd buy it so fast the paint would still be wet.

Originally Posted by X3 Skier

Said it before and I'll say it again. No Manual, no X1. I can even take the cursed Run Flats and a diesel is nice but if it doesn't have three pedals on the floor, good bye BMW.

Cheers

Have you driven a diesel/manual before? Between it's low redline and instant off-idle torque, it is not even remotely as fun to drive as a gas engine w/manual. I'm a diehard manual driver, and a diesel/auto would be almost acceptable to me.

On the other hand, BMW should be beratted for not bringing a manual option with the N20 engine.

I drove an E90 320d with 6 speed manual back on 2006 while on vacation in France. That particular engine had 150 HP and felt much more powerful than that. I enjoyed the manual/diesel combo very much.

Originally Posted by alex_msu

I drove an E90 320d with 6 speed manual back on 2006 while on vacation in France. That particular engine had 150 HP and felt much more powerful than that. I enjoyed the manual/diesel combo very much.

That's funny, because my 1st diesel experience was in an E91 320d while on vacation in Germany in 2007. But my rental was an auto, and it felt like an electric motor( instant torque) and then went dead. More recently I drove a Kuga(Ford Escape) 2.2L diesel/manual all over Italy and that one felt a little better. Although, getting to row the gears in a gas engined car all the way to 7-8k is just so much more rewarding than 4.5k redline and awkward power delivery in the diesels.