Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X3 F25 (2011 - current)

X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 05-01-2012, 04:43 PM
rexian rexian is offline
Registered User
Location: Richmond, VA
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 37
Mein Auto: 2013 BMW X3
I hope they included this patch in the 2013 models as well.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 05-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Evlengr's Avatar
Evlengr Evlengr is offline
Ukemi - that's how I roll
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,252
Mein Auto: 2013 Audi S4 2010 MT MCS
Quote:
Originally Posted by lbjgh View Post
... and there were a bunch of 'skeptics' on this and other forums that recommended that we had to "learn how to drive a BMW"
That sounds like the BS answer I got from the dealership until I showed them my BMW school certificate and asked if they taught me wrong.
__________________
2013 S4 Loaded (and NO RFT's) Awesome is an understatement
2008 MT X3 RIP you were a faithful sidekick and will be missed.
2007 AT X3 RIPOS
2005 GC
2000 Jeep Cherokee
1997 Twin Turbo RX-7
1984 GTI Wolfsburg Edition Neuspeed and more
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05-10-2012, 09:44 AM
steined steined is offline
Registered User
Location: KY
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 22
Mein Auto: ML320, X3 35i M, G8 GT
I can confirm the programming 95% gets rid of this problem and greatly enhances overall drivability.

I am very happy with the results! I still notice a little jerkiness if you come to a full stop and the transmission has't grabbed 1st yet, but it is much much much better.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 05-10-2012, 12:09 PM
lbjgh's Avatar
lbjgh lbjgh is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: North of Toronto
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 730
Mein Auto: 2013 X3 M-Sport
I can confirm that the software has been updated in the 2013 models. Very linear and smooth in my 35i mSport.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rexian View Post
I hope they included this patch in the 2013 models as well.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 05-14-2012, 06:02 PM
fast marty fast marty is offline
Registered User
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 14
Mein Auto: x3
how long does it take?

Dear TJ -- how long does this SIB fix take to administer? Is it a while u wait deal at the dealership, or days, or...??? Any insights would be helpful.

I love my X3 '11, except for the lurch. It's like an old motorcycle with "valve-line lash" we used to call it,

Best,

Fast Marty
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 05-14-2012, 06:09 PM
TJPark01's Avatar
TJPark01 TJPark01 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Hollywood, CA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,161
Mein Auto: E92 335i
Quote:
Originally Posted by fast marty View Post
Dear TJ -- how long does this SIB fix take to administer? Is it a while u wait deal at the dealership, or days, or...??? Any insights would be helpful.

I love my X3 '11, except for the lurch. It's like an old motorcycle with "valve-line lash" we used to call it,

Best,

Fast Marty
It takes somewhere along the lines of 7 hours to download the software to your car. Most people have reported taking the car in the morning and receiving it the next day. (my experience as well).
It's so worth doing as the car is much easier to drive in low speed urban environments.
You can read what the guys on the 5 series pages are saying about it if you care:
Global Software Update - Thoughts on Throttle Delay and more
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 05-14-2012, 06:20 PM
fast marty fast marty is offline
Registered User
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 14
Mein Auto: x3
great info

thanks for the super fast response. One last question before I bother neighbors with amateurish guitar playing: Is this a warranty (e.g. free) job, or do bmw labor rates apply?

thanks for all the info!

fast marty
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 05-14-2012, 06:22 PM
TJPark01's Avatar
TJPark01 TJPark01 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Hollywood, CA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,161
Mein Auto: E92 335i
Quote:
Originally Posted by fast marty View Post
thanks for the super fast response. One last question before I bother neighbors with amateurish guitar playing: Is this a warranty (e.g. free) job, or do bmw labor rates apply?

thanks for all the info!

fast marty
No such thing as free, but in this case it's no going to involve giving BMW xtra money. Yes, warranty.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 05-22-2012, 02:16 PM
TN_SUP TN_SUP is offline
Registered User
Location: Chattanooga
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 23
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 28
Took my X3 in for the update and just found out that they kept it all day for a reset of the transmission adaptation. Apparently they are required to take baby steps towards the software upload.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-08-2012, 02:10 PM
fast marty fast marty is offline
Registered User
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 14
Mein Auto: x3
problem solved

Dear TJ,

You're a genius! Thanks to you, I now have a "real BMW" -- I went for my annual service (#1) and used the phrase you suggested: "delayed throttle response." In addition to the piddling stuff they did (oil chg/wipers/blah blah), they held the car overnight and did the software thing with the SIB 24 02 12. Just picked up the car a few hours ago.

Holy cannoli. From 0-20 mph or so, the car leaps out of the chute like a bronc. No delays, no hiccups, no sense that the transmission is scratching its head trying to pick a gear, no sense of "drive line lash" like the old motorcycles had when the chain wasn't properly tensioned.

Like a champ -- that's how it runs.

Thanks a million for the advice.

Now I gotta reprogram all my radio stations and phones, but a small inconvenience for now owning what I expected I'd own when I picked the X3.

Brilliant!

Best,

Fast Marty
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 06-08-2012, 02:17 PM
TJPark01's Avatar
TJPark01 TJPark01 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Hollywood, CA
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,161
Mein Auto: E92 335i
Quote:
Originally Posted by fast marty View Post
Brilliant!

Best,

Fast Marty
Not a genius, just an aware consumer. It's kinda silly that they wouldn't hold the seat and radio memory on the computer, but considering this is happening to everyone, the new update must erase everything. Glad it worked for you!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-08-2012, 03:05 PM
Want the Thrill Want the Thrill is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Michigan
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 987
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 35i
When I had the update done, it didn't erase anything I had set up. Everything was just as it was when I dropped off the car............
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-09-2012, 04:18 AM
fast marty fast marty is offline
Registered User
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 14
Mein Auto: x3
i spent a little time before dinner re-inputting my radio presets, pairing the phones and checking to see what else had been deleted. It took just a few minutes and now i can't wait to take 'er out for a spin today. i love the car more than ever. i am unsure why bmw handles it in this kind of ad hoc way, but thanks to TJ I got the fix and i'm a happy camper.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-09-2012, 06:34 AM
lbjgh's Avatar
lbjgh lbjgh is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: North of Toronto
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 730
Mein Auto: 2013 X3 M-Sport
Marty, I'm glad you're happy with this tsb repair.

I almost crossed the x3 off my shopping list because of the throttle delay but after doing research I found a third party vendor that had a solution for the programming fault so I ordered my car.

I ended up getting a 2013 with the update from the factory and was happy I didn't have to monkey with a brand new car.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fast marty View Post
i spent a little time before dinner re-inputting my radio presets, pairing the phones and checking to see what else had been deleted. It took just a few minutes and now i can't wait to take 'er out for a spin today. i love the car more than ever. i am unsure why bmw handles it in this kind of ad hoc way, but thanks to TJ I got the fix and i'm a happy camper.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-09-2012, 07:13 AM
fugitive666 fugitive666 is offline
Registered User
Location: Florida,USA
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 20
Mein Auto: 2011BMWX3 3.5 Twin Turbo
Delayed throttle resp[onse

Thanks for the update on this subject.Have experienced similar issue on my 2011X3 3.5xi and will raise it with the BMW SA in Orlando when I take my car in for first service in a couple of months. Appreciate the extensive information and will let you know the outcome when problem is addressed.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 06-10-2012, 06:09 AM
michael T michael T is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Vancouver
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 106
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 35i
Hey guys, I am really glad of the software upgrade. Is the driving experience similiar to "sport" mode? Has the gas consumption increased? Thx.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 06-10-2012, 06:30 AM
lbjgh's Avatar
lbjgh lbjgh is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: North of Toronto
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 730
Mein Auto: 2013 X3 M-Sport
No change in fuel economy. The recalibration just makes the throttle application match the car's acceleration. ...so no more herky-jerky starts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by michael T View Post
Hey guys, I am really glad of the software upgrade. Is the driving experience similiar to "sport" mode? Has the gas consumption increased? Thx.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 06-10-2012, 06:39 AM
fast marty fast marty is offline
Registered User
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 14
Mein Auto: x3
For me, it does seem like "sport" mode -- in fact, since I got the car back from the dealer friday afternoon, i haven't put it in sport mode yet -- no need, in any driving situation. interestingly, highway mileage is still pretty good: 28.6 mpg loafing along at 65 on a local highway. stop and go: still around 22-23 mpg. car has about 7300 miles.

so: no apparent downsides to the software update/upgrade. remember to use TJ's key words to your SA: "I have a delayed throttle response issue"...
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 06-10-2012, 08:47 AM
pwdrskr pwdrskr is offline
Registered User
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 26
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 35i
Successfully got the software update yesterday, simply took the SIB in and they did the update with no argument. Got the X3 back later in the day.

I haven't driven it much yet, but it certainly seems better...
__________________
2011 X3 35i, Titanium Silver, Mohave Nevada Leather, Sport Activity Package, Convenience Package, Cold Weather Package, Premium Package, Technology Package, Brushed Aluminum trim, Head-up Display, Satellite radio, Logic7
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 06-11-2012, 11:27 AM
cadman50 cadman50 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 86
Mein Auto: X3
Mine has a build date of 2/2012. I happened to be at the dealer for something else and mentioned the throttle issue and showed him the bulletin. The response was that all the turbo's exhibit some sort of throttle delay and he couldn't do it to mine since the build date is later than the bulletin date. My throttle lag seems to be from a dead stop and not from the slowing down to almost a stop and hitting the gas pedal. So I wonder if mine actually has the newer software installed.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 06-11-2012, 01:29 PM
lbjgh's Avatar
lbjgh lbjgh is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: North of Toronto
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 730
Mein Auto: 2013 X3 M-Sport
The n55 has basically zero turbo lag. Maybe ask if you can test drive a 2013 model to see if you can feel the difference. Based on my 2012 test drive I would personally pay for the TSB software update to get the driveability of my 2013 car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadman50 View Post
Mine has a build date of 2/2012. I happened to be at the dealer for something else and mentioned the throttle issue and showed him the bulletin. The response was that all the turbo's exhibit some sort of throttle delay and he couldn't do it to mine since the build date is later than the bulletin date. My throttle lag seems to be from a dead stop and not from the slowing down to almost a stop and hitting the gas pedal. So I wonder if mine actually has the newer software installed.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 06-11-2012, 06:41 PM
cadman50 cadman50 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 86
Mein Auto: X3
Next time I'm at the dealers I'm going to drive a new one to see how it feels. If I remember, I noticed the lag on the 2011 35i that I test drove and don't think mine is as bad but it's been several months now. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 08-03-2012, 08:34 AM
Doug in NC Doug in NC is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Rutherfordton NC
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 151
Mein Auto: 2011 x3 28i
The dealer performed the software update on my 2011 X3 about a month ago and it solved most of the hesitation problems. Most notably, the X3 doesn't try to shift from 1st to 3rd in the first few feet anymore. However, there is still a profound hesitation if I roll up to a stop, but don't come to a complete stop, and press the gas. It acts like the transmission is surprised and is hunting for a gear. Very annoying. I'm not liking this drive by wire setup.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 08-03-2012, 08:54 AM
valeram valeram is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Dublin, OH
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 367
Mein Auto: E92 M3 using ED
Deja vu! I think this thing happened before, Now I remember. This is similar to what my 08 E92 M3 with DCT had. It took them several months/years to acknowledged the problem. But the good thing is that, they were able to fix the problem after 2 or 3 sw update. My current 2013 X3 M-Sport is smooth and no lag problem so far. It was built on July this year so I assume they have the latest and greatest sw installed.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 08-03-2012, 01:25 PM
datrobmw datrobmw is offline
Registered User
Location: Northern VA
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 11
Mein Auto: 2012 X3 28i
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug in NC View Post
... However, there is still a profound hesitation if I roll up to a stop, but don't come to a complete stop, and press the gas. It acts like the transmission is surprised and is hunting for a gear. Very annoying.
My 2012 X3 28i (March, 2012 delivery) exhibits the same behavior on occasion but not always. Wish I knew why it happens sometimes and not others.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X3 F25 (2011 - current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms