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Old 04-26-2012, 12:52 PM
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Global Software Update - Thoughts on Throttle Delay and more

I thought I'd start a new thread for discussions for those of you who have gotten the comprehensive update. As you probably have read from this thread and this thread there are SIB's covering throttle response as well as idle quality that are out for installation. This update package is significant in that it is a global update of all modules, and will affect your car no matter what you bring it in for.

I wanted to post my thoughts on the results, as well as have people list some of the "hidden" findings that this software update has addressed.

First, the interesting:

MPG text under the MPG meter is now blue, not white during daytime and orange at night.

TJ Park notes slight variations while using radio functions in iDrive

I notice that when selecting various shortcuts, they work correctly from the start. For instance, in the past, pressing the shortcut for "Satellite Replay" would bring up a main Sat Radio screen, not the replay controls.

More important things:

1. Twice today I have had the occasion to start my car during what I would term as the prime time for the rough idle; that is 1-2 hours after shutting the car down. Both times the car started and idled perfectly.

2. Idle overall seems a bit smoother.

3. Throttle control is notably more smooth when taking off. There is no "hole" when applying the throttle like before. The car is much easier to pull away from a stop

4. Throttle response when cruising in normal traffic is FAR improved. I need to re calibrate my foot as I am used to stabbing hard to make the car respond. Now, all you need to do is apply throttle normally. It's still turbocharged, so there is a bit of that type of lag, but the throttle is instantly applied.

5. Steering. This was my biggest surprise. The steering is MUCH better than before. At first, I wasn't sure if it was my brain needing to re calibrate after driving the 328 loaner, which has very light steering that has a very fast ratio and zero slop at the top dead center. However after driving for the better part of two days and about 100 miles, I can say the steering is definitely affected. First of all, it's firmer over all. I'd say it's not quite as weighty as the old sport mode, but almost. Second of all, it seems quicker to react. I'm not sure how this is possible given the fact that the rack is the same, but it seems to have less of a dead spot on center, and seems to be a little more precise in it's inputs. Crazy.

Anyone else with observations?
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:15 PM
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I wonder how much the steering will be affected on the Xi models, if any. I plan on getting this update done soon.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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Does this effect XI models? I thought XI models doestnt have electronic steering like I models.
Not sure but there is significant difference in steering from the ones i have test drove to the one i am driving...

and by the way the throttle delay is still present in 2012 models ... Yes my car does have it but it is in acceptable range...
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Does this effect XI models? I thought XI models doestnt have electronic steering like I models.
Not sure but there is significant difference in steering from the ones i have test drove to the one i am driving...

and by the way the throttle delay is still present in 2012 models ... Yes my car does have it but it is in acceptable range...
xDrive cars do have hydraulic steering.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:24 PM
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One observation I have regarding delays, lucrhing, etc. I still have an issue with making a rolling stop. However it is very clear that the issue stems from the transmission deciding to downshift halfway through your throttle application. It is still rough, but fees very different than before.
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I thought I'd start a new thread for discussions for those of you who have gotten the comprehensive update. As you probably have read from this thread and this thread there are SIB's covering throttle response as well as idle quality that are out for installation. This update package is significant in that it is a global update of all modules, and will affect your car no matter what you bring it in for.

I wanted to post my thoughts on the results, as well as have people list some of the "hidden" findings that this software update has addressed.

First, the interesting:

MPG text under the MPG meter is now blue, not white during daytime and orange at night.

TJ Park notes slight variations while using radio functions in iDrive

I notice that when selecting various shortcuts, they work correctly from the start. For instance, in the past, pressing the shortcut for "Satellite Replay" would bring up a main Sat Radio screen, not the replay controls.

More important things:

1. Twice today I have had the occasion to start my car during what I would term as the prime time for the rough idle; that is 1-2 hours after shutting the car down. Both times the car started and idled perfectly.

2. Idle overall seems a bit smoother.

3. Throttle control is notably more smooth when taking off. There is no "hole" when applying the throttle like before. The car is much easier to pull away from a stop

4. Throttle response when cruising in normal traffic is FAR improved. I need to re calibrate my foot as I am used to stabbing hard to make the car respond. Now, all you need to do is apply throttle normally. It's still turbocharged, so there is a bit of that type of lag, but the throttle is instantly applied.

5. Steering. This was my biggest surprise. The steering is MUCH better than before. At first, I wasn't sure if it was my brain needing to re calibrate after driving the 328 loaner, which has very light steering that has a very fast ratio and zero slop at the top dead center. However after driving for the better part of two days and about 100 miles, I can say the steering is definitely affected. First of all, it's firmer over all. I'd say it's not quite as weighty as the old sport mode, but almost. Second of all, it seems quicker to react. I'm not sure how this is possible given the fact that the rack is the same, but it seems to have less of a dead spot on center, and seems to be a little more precise in it's inputs. Crazy.

Anyone else with observations?
Is there a particular SIB I should reference if I go to the dealer? I wonder if this would have an effect on my car even though it is 6mt and I don't really notice any of the throttle delay.
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I just got my software upgrade. Will pick up tomorrow morning and will post results this weekend.
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TJ understated how nice and well behaved the car is in city traffic now. However, you do have to reset your home time zone. Could this be an indicator that the clock will self adjust at the end of daylight savings time? Time will tell.

Since mine is an xi yes there is a bit of difference in the steering. Not as big as the electric guys are reporting but a change none-the-less. The change feels like a bit more boost at low speeds making the final return to center just that little bit quicker and making the car easier to toss if needed. Otherwise just straight and true and hardly noticeable. Still looking for other things.
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And the number of the SIB is...?
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I don't get the nice BMW diagnostic computer printouts from my dealer that some of the others get, here's a copy of what my final bill said.

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CUSTOMER STATES THERE IS A HESITATION ON ACCELERATION SEE
HISTORY
VEHICLE WILL ALSO SURGE
DME AND EGS SOFTWARE
REPROGRAMMED CAR WITH VERSION 46.3 PER B. 24 02 12
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But by the way the car is behaving got a lot more programmed than is stated on the bill.
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Is there a particular SIB I should reference if I go to the dealer? I wonder if this would have an effect on my car even though it is 6mt and I don't really notice any of the throttle delay.
The SIB is linked in the thread I posted above. Your car is not eligible for it.

If you search for threads under my name, you will see the SIB for the uneven idle. That should apply to your car.

YOU NEED TO DESCRIBE THE SYMPTOMS IN THE SIB, NOT JUST WALK IN AND ASK TO HAVE SIB APPLIED.
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And the number of the SIB is...?
Follow the links I posted in the first post of this thread.
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I don't get the nice BMW diagnostic computer printouts from my dealer that some of the others get, here's a copy of what my final bill said.

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CUSTOMER STATES THERE IS A HESITATION ON ACCELERATION SEE
HISTORY
VEHICLE WILL ALSO SURGE
DME AND EGS SOFTWARE
REPROGRAMMED CAR WITH VERSION 46.3 PER B. 24 02 12
"

But by the way the car is behaving got a lot more programmed than is stated on the bill.
I posted the meat of the full SIB's in the linked threads above. In summary, they state that these updates are global, and will "update all modules with an applicable update".
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Is this just for 535i or also for 550i?
N55 and N52 engines only within a certain production date, not necessarily the F10.
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N55 and N52 engines only within a certain production date, not necessarily the F10.
Intersting. I was interested in the non ECU related elements of this update (steering, blue text, etc.)
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Intersting. I was interested in the non ECU related elements of this update (steering, blue text, etc.)
If it aint broke...
N63 hasn't been plagued with this, so I'd leave well enough alone.
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1. Twice today I have had the occasion to start my car during what I would term as the prime time for the rough idle; that is 1-2 hours after shutting the car down. Both times the car started and idled perfectly.

2. Idle overall seems a bit smoother.
I didn't drive the car today but, there was a thread on Edmunds about waste-gate rattles on start up on the N55 Maybe they did something for this and that is what you're feeling?
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I didn't drive the car today but, there was a thread on Edmunds about waste-gate rattles on start up on the N55 Maybe they did something for this and that is what you're feeling?
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Maybe. I have that tell tale rattle. I haven't listened for it.

But my idle issues were not aural, they war RPM related and also caused vibration.
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N55 and N52 engines only within a certain production date, not necessarily the F10.
Any chance ya'll could start referring to cars as 528, 535 & 550 instead of "N55" etc. Not everyone knows what those means. I looked all over my car and the only thing I see it called is a "550".

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hmm, sounds like they should put a label on the car these days with all the things they can change via a firmware update.

"Warning, your driving experience may change after service"

It's getting as bad as computer programs...I wonder when they will make us accept a new 5 page EULA (End User License Agreement) agreement after every oil change before being allowed to start the car.
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...I wonder when they will make us accept a new 5 page EULA (End User License Agreement) agreement after every oil change before being allowed to start the car.
+1 Or perhaps an update to the OM.
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Any chance ya'll could start referring to cars as 528, 535 & 550 instead of "N55" etc. Not everyone knows what those means. I looked all over my car and the only thing I see it called is a "550".

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Because the SIB applies to specific car engines, i.e. N52 and N55, and not car models. Your 550i has an N63 engine, so you are not affected.
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Since I've had my F10 entirely reprogrammed for a suspension issue, i've noticed after a prolonged highay drive the throttle is epscially touch after a slow dow due to traffic and driving conditions.

My ECU was flashed due to BMW's faulty F10 suspension programs and do have the updated display.

It lags and dogs when pulling out into intersections after highway travlel. i have to think this is a program problem. looks like anothe ECU flash probem--works fine on the highway but when you slow down for a few miles then need to apply the throttle it boggs down considerable. I can't see this being a noramally apsirated engine problem. The engine bucks after being driven on the highway, then being driven at ~45-50 mph on highway roads. Then when you come to a stop, then start out to a neck-snapping 40-45mph, it is rediculous.... is this a BMW or a KIA?
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