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Old 04-30-2012, 11:08 AM
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If you only had one ED, ever: what'd be the one thing you absolutely couldn't miss?

My wife and I are in our early 30's and doing an ED on an F30 this September for two weeks. We know jack about Europe: I've only ever been to Ireland for work, and she spent a little time in London after right college, but otherwise...notta.

I'd love to think we'd get to do an ED more than once, but we'll probably be having kid(s) sometime shortly after this and I suspect finances will tighten down quite a bit for a long, long time.

I have zero ideas for our itinerary, aside from spending some time at the Welt for the tour. Well, that and we plan to be there during Oktoberfest so we want to catch at least a couple days of the celebration. I've read through the wiki and a bunch of threads but there's just so much, I'm struggling to land on must-dos.

So (especially for those who have been)...if you had only one shot at an ED, what is the one highlight or two you absolutely couldn't miss in Europe besides the Welt?
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That's a very personal question. Its basically "what's the one thing in Europe you must see." For some here, it might be Nurburgring. For others, Paris and the Effiel tower. For me, on my ED trip, Rome was the most important.

Imagine a person for Europe asking you "what's the one thing I must see while visiting the USA. I can't even begin to answer that question for a stranger.
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Unless you are absolutely sure you want to attend Octoberfest, there are many other things and places to visit that you and your wife may find more enjoyable. I have been to 4 Octoberfests and am of the opinion that there are many more pleasant places to enjoy a fine German bier.


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With your wife ......... Paris for sure .... although it might hasten that kid thing you were referencing
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I was thinking the same thing before I left for my first ED. Now, three years later, I am already on my 2nd Bimmer and planning an ED in 2013 with a not-yet-then 1.5 year old. Time changes perspective and ED is an awesome experience, that you crave to repeat!
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I was thinking the same thing before I left for my first ED. Now, three years later, I am already on my 2nd Bimmer and planning an ED in 2013 with a not-yet-then 1.5 year old. Time changes perspective and ED is an awesome experience, that you crave to repeat!
We may end up back at the Welt again together...

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I wouldn't miss the Welt, Fussen, or the southern Romantische Straße.
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That's going to vary a lot depending on what you're interested in. However, for me I think my favourite memories of my ED are (in no particular order)

The Welt (obvious, but I spent the entire day at The Welt and still didn' think I got all of it!)
Rothenburg (awesome walled city, gorgeous and great night watchman tour)
Garmisch... and the beer halls therein
The Autobahn
Munich

That last might seem a bit odd, but I really enjoyed Munich the city itself. So much to see and do... like The Welt I don't think I gave it near enough time... and I spent three full days there.

I also found Dachau sobering but was damned glad I made the trip... it was an easy day trip but on the day I was there it was cold with squalling rain. Really upped the atmosphere
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...if you had only one shot at an ED, what is the one highlight or two you absolutely couldn't miss in Europe besides the Welt?
First I would eliminate big cities - ED is, after all, about driving your new car. So, in my mind, that eliminates Paris, Rome, Berlin, Vienna, Venice, Madrid and Amsterdam. Then if it were my first time in continental Europe I would want to sample a few countries. With two weeks to spend I would pick 7 centers from which to explore these towns and countries. So here are my picks, not in any logical order:

Munich: Choose from day trips to Rothenburg, Neuschwanstein, Berchtesgarten (Eagle's Nest), Alpenstrasse, Salzburg.
Slovenia: Lake Bled and Ljubljana.
Florence: Explore city and Tuscany (San Gimignano, Lucca, Pisa, Cinque Terra).
French Riviera: Monaco, Cannes, Nice, St. Tropez, St. Paul de Vence, Eze).
Lake Como: Trip around lake.
Switzerland: Bernese Oberland (Jungfraujoch, Lauterbrunnen, Murren).
Alsace (Colmar, Riquewihr, Srassbourg).

This would give you a quick look at eight countries if you count Monaco and and the loop would consume 1600 miles (with most days less than 300 miles) not counting side/day trips.

If you are really going to limit me to two places then I would choose the Bernese Oberland and the French Riviera. These two areas will give you a mountain and beach experience and both areas are beautiful in their own way.

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things not to miss
1.autobahn/Germany/
2. beer/Germany, Czech Republic/
3. mountains/Switzerland, Austria,/
4. lakes/Italy,Switzerland/
5.wine/Tuscany,Bordeaux/
6.culture/Italy,France/
7.beach/French Riviera or Portofino Italy/
8.food/all of the above
in general i would avoid big cities and concentrate on countryside and scenic drives
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If you are even thinking about octoberfest, tickets must be bought soon, but it isn't really all that amazing once you are out of college, it looses its appeal. First time in europe here are my top 4 recommendations.
1) Munich and the Welt
2) Paris
3) Northern Italy
4) Southern France

This is assuming you have ~2 weeks if you are going longer, ie a month. Then you should go to Rome and London.

The Welt is amazing, but how do you spend 3 days there?
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First I would eliminate big cities - ED is, after all, about driving your new car. So, in my mind, that eliminates Paris, Rome, Berlin, Vienna, Venice, Madrid and Amsterdam. Then if it were my first time in continental Europe I would want to sample a few countries. With two weeks to spend I would pick 7 centers from which to explore these towns and countries. So here are my picks, not in any logical order:

Munich: Choose from day trips to Rothenburg, Neuschwanstein, Berchtesgarten (Eagle's Nest), Alpenstrasse, Salzburg.
Slovenia: Lake Bled and Ljubljana.
Florence: Explore city and Tuscany (San Gimignano, Lucca, Pisa, Cinque Terra).
French Riviera: Monaco, Cannes, Nice, St. Tropez, St. Paul de Vence, Eze).
Lake Como: Trip around lake.
Switzerland: Bernese Oberland (Jungfraujoch, Lauterbrunnen, Murren).
Alsace (Colmar, Riquewihr, Srassbourg).

This would give you a quick look at eight countries if you count Monaco and and the loop would consume 1600 miles (with most days less than 300 miles) not counting side/day trips.
This is more or less what along the lines of what I was thinking and like to do in my drives in Europe - go to places you can't easily fly into, i.e. small towns, the mountains, etc.

It's hard to give a precise reply without knowing the OP's personal tastes but, as a general principal, avoiding larger cities (since you can't drive in them anyway) makes a lot of sense.
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I have zero ideas for our itinerary, aside from spending some time at the Welt for the tour. Well, that and we plan to be there during Oktoberfest so we want to catch at least a couple days of the celebration. I've read through the wiki and a bunch of threads but there's just so much, I'm struggling to land on must-dos.
Well what do you and your wife really enjoy doing together. Driving (The Ring or Dolomites), art (how many types can you name - it's there), history (war, religious, medieval, roman), shoppping, spa days, hiking, eating. It's the great thing about the Old World -the choices are abundant and literally endless. Then you can throw in a surpise for her and a treat for you - here and there. So when your changing diapers at 2 am you can drift back to the days BC (as in children). Planning should be almost as much fun as the adventure, if you put your heart in it.
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My wife and I are in our early 30's and doing an ED on an F30 this September for two weeks. We know jack about Europe: I've only ever been to Ireland for work, and she spent a little time in London after right college, but otherwise...notta.
Given your location and work destination it would have to be Wilschdorfer Landstraße 101, 01109 Dresden, Germany. Your wife will have a blast....

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So (especially for those who have been)...if you had only one shot at an ED, what is the one highlight or two you absolutely couldn't miss in Europe besides the Welt?
This really depends on your tastes. Although Ms. b-y enjoys driving and is willing to put up with my interests in technology and automotive museums, she particular enjoys cultural events, probably more than shopping or swimming. So restricting your question to Germany, she would probably put concerts by the Berlin Philharmonic or those by almost any group in the Cuvilliés Theatre in Munich's Residenz at the top of her list. (This latter venue is the old court theater in the center of Munich and is also an architechtural marvel itself.)

The point of all this is not to try to convince you to go to the symphony. Instead, it is to illustrate that if you have a special interest--whether it is beer or classical music or modern art--you can find something truly unusual that might appeal to you.

[And, if you are a history buff as I am, you'll be amazed that Hitler's Munich office has been kept intact in what is now the FH Musik (formally, the Die Hochschule für Musik und Theater München at Arcisstraße 12). This is not publicized, but it is there. Possibly even more fascinating is the Bendlerblock, a complex of offices in Stauffenbergstrasse (formerly Bendlerstrasse), south of the Tiergarten in Western Berlin. This was the office of the Army High Command and now has a museum to the Resistence movement that was within the German Army.]
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So (especially for those who have been)...if you had only one shot at an ED, what is the one highlight or two you absolutely couldn't miss in Europe besides the Welt?
Here is a short list:

Amsterdam
Rothenburg ob der Tauber and the Night Watchman tour
Bruges
Hohenschwangau and Hotel Mueller.




I don't care for Paris. If you do go, I don't recommend driving there.

I've never been to Berlin.
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It is just too broad to include so many things in 2 weeks. What is your travel theme? Any particular interest? What is your budget?
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Take her somewhere romantic like Venice, Florence, Rome, Switzerland or even up to Neuschwanstein Castle. Score some points with her now and do the things she wants to do and save the payback for later. I'd avoid Paris like the plague. It's just not that romantic. And this is based on the opinions of most of the young college age girls my wife takes on European tours each summer - the majority find Paris expensive, hot, unfriendly and smelly. On the other hand, they all seem to love Italy and Greece.
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Paris, Barcelona, Switzerland.

Dont discount the possibility of traveling with a child. We Did ED last summer with a 2-year old in tow. The summer before that we spent a month in Spain with the then 1-year old. Traveling with kids can be totally doable if you shift some of your expectations. I'll also say that once you and the wife do one you will be hooked and will find a way to do it again.
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Be cautious about Paris... I was just there last week on my ED and I can honestly tell you the amount of cigarette smoke is insane. I don't care if people smoke, but when everyone on the street is smoking, everyone outside the cafes are smoking and they leave the doors to the cafes open so the smoke comes in... it gets a little old if you even "slightly" mind it.

After having been there, I would not take my 5 year old or 2 year old there on the "main" streets for this reason. There were two different meals where we had to change cafes/restaurants three times till we found somewhere it was livable...

So, if I were you I would skip Paris is do things more picturesque... We also stayed in St. Wolfgang Austria for several days and it was beautiful... see the attached pic...

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