BMW will recall diesel models to fix emissions glitch

Originally Posted by KeithS

My understanding is the tranny in the D is the same one used in the X5 4.8. One of the few at the time strong enough to handle the torque.

That would make sense, hmm, I wonder what the torque curve on that looked like - I bet as it was normally aspirated peak torque is further up the rev range and it is torque that gives you the acceleration - would love to be able to tinker with the shift patterns on it. Would also love some track time and stopwatches to test my theories

I wonder what kind of build up the EGRs are showing?

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Had recall done today, car was ready in six hours. Invoice shows only EGR valve replaced. No mention of reflash, when I questioned SA he did not think it was reprogrammed. however radio presets were gone and trip meter zeroed. Reflash or just battery disconnect??
at any rate was super glad to get the D back.' 12 528i loaner was super comfy, I forgot how big the 5 series is. Seemed underpowered and was not at all impressed with the engine off feature.

Originally Posted by 540gone

Took my 2011 X5d in for the recall ONE WEEK ago this morning. They took it apart before realizing they didn't have the parts. As of this afternoon, it is "in programming" and hopefully I will have it back tomorrow.

Have had a '11 E90 328i loaner (on day 8 as we speak) - 2 comments: First, I am reminded of how crappy the GM 6spd auto box in these cars is. Had the same setup in my '08 X3 and hated it the whole time. Second, my other car is an '11 E90 M3 - hard to believe anything about the 2 cars is the same!

Will report out on what all was done when(ever) I get the repair order. Car ran fine when I took it in, hopefully that won't change for the worse.

Got it back (on day 8). The EGR valve was replaced and it was reprogrammed. Interestingly, there was no mention of the Recall Campaign Number 11E-A03. The EGR replacement was noted to be SIB 11 04 12, and the reprogramming as SIB 11 05 12. Go figure.

Also, unrelated to the recall, they replaced the "Active SCR Reservoir", which was determined to have a faulty recirculating pump. Apparaently, the tank and pump are one unit. When I asked why there was no DEF on the repair order since they installed a new tank, the SA just said "oh yeah, they would have filled it".

Anyway, it runs fine and no SES light.

My 2010 x5 needed mixer and egr valve, plus reprogramming. Took two days, but I got a 335d as a loaner. Always amazed at how different the engine is on the 335d..much more quiet than the x5. I'll keep an eye on mileage.

Also the reprogram blew out my presets like garage opener and seat memory...need to budget time to redo

Originally Posted by bayoucity

Hey all, does anyone here feel their milage has dropped about 10% (2 - 3 mpg) since the recall fix and reprograming? I have only been getting 26 mpg running same daily routine (against traffic constant @ 75 mph). I'm unsure if it is because AC has been on since it is getting warmer lately.

Noticed the same in my dad's X5 when I drove it last weekend after the recall repairs were performed a few days prior. Time will tell.

His vehicle was also rejected (not failed) from emissions testing because the OBD-II didn't have enough data or something to run the tests. Normally this is attributed to not enough drive cycles, but we did put over 200km (120mi) over the weekend with some longer drives where everything was up to full operating temperature. My parents are afraid their registration on the X5 will lapse if it cannot be tested for emissions. (Luckily I live in a non-emissions state )

His X5 is a "Monday car" for sure given all the issues its had.

Originally Posted by kestrel

My 2010 x5 needed mixer and egr valve, plus reprogramming. Took two days, but I got a 335d as a loaner. Always amazed at how different the engine is on the 335d..much more quiet than the x5. I'll keep an eye on mileage.

Also the reprogram blew out my presets like garage opener and seat memory...need to budget time to redo

Interesting. I haven't driven an X5d, but after the F30 328i loaner I had my 335d felt really quiet when I got it back - quieter than it seemed before it went in, but I am not sure as the 328 seemed so noisy by comparison. I'll be interested to see if your X5 seems quieter when it has been done.

I have noticed before just being outside the X5d that they are louder than a 335d. I really notice this when I am waiting up at the dealership for my car to be brought in. Seems they always have a fair amount of X5d vehicles pulling in as I wait.

I think my x5 noise level is the same as before, inside and out. I think the engineers want to make the x5 sound tougher so they didn't use the same sound insulation, etc. I like the sound..it sounds powerful, and it fits the suv character. But the 335d sounds way more refined.

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Originally Posted by kestrel

I think my x5 noise level is the same as before, inside and out. I think the engineers want to make the x5 sound tougher so they didn't use the same sound insulation, etc. I like the sound..it sounds powerful, and it fits the suv character. But the 335d sounds way more refined.

I call my 335d Bertha because she sounds a bit like a big Greyhound Bus when you get on her and Bertha seems like a good name for a fat German Bus

I just dropped my 335d at Shelly BMW for the recall campaign (2010 build, 2011 model year) and they said they might finish by today.

I had them also look at the inoperative USB port under the arm rest I have forgotten for 6 months.

Funny thing, the SA said I am due for an oil change, microfilter change and brake flush even though the on board service says all is fine.

So the big question is - will they do all the work by end of today ????

In the meantime, I have a 2012 F30 328i loaner and love the engine shutoff feature when stopped, smooth 8 speed tranny, and keyless engine start feature.

What I don't like: steering is retarded - it's muted, sloppy and feels like a MBZ C300 steering & ride suspension is very lofty and feels like the car is going to fly when small hills are hit at high speeds. Definitely needs a sport suspension, wheels, and steering that feels the road.

Now let's see how long they take for all that work.....

Originally Posted by gtobynj

Interesting. I haven't driven an X5d, but after the F30 328i loaner I had my 335d felt really quiet when I got it back - quieter than it seemed before it went in, but I am not sure as the 328 seemed so noisy by comparison. I'll be interested to see if your X5 seems quieter when it has been done.

This is really subjective - but my D felt quieter after getting it back from the recall after 3 days with an '11 328. Mpg's seems to have dropped a bit - but it's too soon to tell.

I'm really happy to have it back as the 328 has a much narrower power band and the tranny was constantly searching for the right gear. One really gets used to all that torque - & when its not there it not fun.

They replaced the EGR valve, O ring, and an ISA Screw
Except for the avg MPG and trip meter on the OBC all the other memory seems to be intact. And I'm pleasantly surprised that the memory in the I drive (radio presets etc.) are intact especially given that I had them install the Sat Radio module which required a major software upload.

The following is the list of parts employed to address the recall at my dealer. The job just took the day, i.e. dropped off in the morning and fetched at night.

18 30 8 512 428 - Mixer
11 71 8 512 526 - EGR-valve
22 11 6 775 521 - ISA screw with washer
13 54 7 792 098 - O-ring
11 61 2 245 439 - rubber seal
18 30 7 620 549 - hex nut with flange

No listing of re-flash and forgot to ask. Absolutely no noticeable difference in performance, but I've tracked real mileage through the first 30k and so if there is a difference, it should show up in a statistically significant difference in mileage over the next 10k miles or so.

I'll know if I get a reflash because I've had a buddy code my D and that would obviously be wiped with an update of the ECU from the dealer.

Recall completed. 2011, same as everyone else EGR valve, o-ring and a reflash. To me in 40 miles of driving car seems exactly the same.

After getting use to the relaxed low reving diesel engine, the 2011 328xi loaner seemed rough around the edges. Engine needs to be screaming to get the same performance that a slight tap on the D gas pedal gives. The D actually idles smoother (feel not sound) than the 328. But the largest difference is I could literally see the gas guage drop as I was driving the 328.

Originally Posted by KeithS

Recall completed. 2011, same as everyone else EGR valve, o-ring and a reflash. To me in 40 miles of driving car seems exactly the same.

After getting use to the relaxed low reving diesel engine, the 2011 328xi loaner seemed rough around the edges. Engine needs to be screaming to get the same performance that a slight tap on the D gas pedal gives. The D actually idles smoother (feel not sound) than the 328. But the largest difference is I could literally see the gas guage drop as I was driving the 328.

You must have been beating the snot out of it. For personal reasons I was easy on the F30 328i loaner I had and for the 50 miles I put on it I got pretty much the same mileage as my d but with out the joy of the face splitting smile creating thunderous torque.

Originally Posted by gtobynj

You must have been beating the snot out of it.

Actually I was not. I also respect service loaners. My D was one. The loaner was the older 6-cyl with X-drive. The extra weight and mechanical drag of the AWD consumes several MPG. Think its only rated 17/26.

Originally Posted by KeithS

Recall completed. 2011, same as everyone else EGR valve, o-ring and a reflash. To me in 40 miles of driving car seems exactly the same.

After getting use to the relaxed low reving diesel engine, the 2011 328xi loaner seemed rough around the edges. Engine needs to be screaming to get the same performance that a slight tap on the D gas pedal gives. The D actually idles smoother (feel not sound) than the 328. But the largest difference is I could literally see the gas guage drop as I was driving the 328.

You must have been beating the snot out of it. For personal reasons I was easy on the F30 328i loaner I had and for the 50 miles I put on it I got pretty much the same mileage as my d but with out the joy of the face splitting smile creating thunderous torque.

I logged thousands of miles on some 2009 and 2010 328i cars and do not recall them being all that great on fuel consumption. I could easily see the 328xi version of those(don't think a 2011 is any different) being even worse on eating fuel.

Originally Posted by tonyspumoni

The following is the list of parts employed to address the recall at my dealer. The job just took the day, i.e. dropped off in the morning and fetched at night.

18 30 8 512 428 - Mixer
11 71 8 512 526 - EGR-valve
22 11 6 775 521 - ISA screw with washer
13 54 7 792 098 - O-ring
11 61 2 245 439 - rubber seal
18 30 7 620 549 - hex nut with flange

No listing of re-flash and forgot to ask. Absolutely no noticeable difference in performance, but I've tracked real mileage through the first 30k and so if there is a difference, it should show up in a statistically significant difference in mileage over the next 10k miles or so.

I just got mine back from them; same stuff and also notes re-programming.

Also very nice of them; rear brakes are due within 1900 miles, oil change at 2300 miles, total inspection. They did them all: I have 47995 miles on the car! so it's ready to go out of warranty/maintenance.

Scheduled my 2011 D to scheduled to be fixed next week. The recall letter shows that the following components have known problems: the SCR catalyst, the DEF mixer, and the EGR valve. Should I expect all 3 items to be replaced? Looking at the posts, it doesn't seem the mixer and catalyst are being replaced on every car.

Originally Posted by beemer01

Scheduled my 2011 D to scheduled to be fixed next week. The recall letter shows that the following components have known problems: the SCR catalyst, the DEF mixer, and the EGR valve. Should I expect all 3 items to be replaced? Looking at the posts, it doesn't seem the mixer and catalyst are being replaced on every car.

They're checking part #s. No way to tell until you get it back.

I think the newer the build the less likely they have do as much.

I try to never buy the first year a model comes out, even though you want to be the first one on the block.

Originally Posted by gtobynj

You must have been beating the snot out of it. For personal reasons I was easy on the F30 328i loaner I had and for the 50 miles I put on it I got pretty much the same mileage as my d but with out the joy of the face splitting smile creating thunderous torque.

Doh, didn't read your post properly - yes, old 6cyl with 6spd auto is a thirsty one - the 8 spd in the 5er makes a huge difference even without the blown 4 banger!

Originally Posted by beemer01

Scheduled my 2011 D to scheduled to be fixed next week. The recall letter shows that the following components have known problems: the SCR catalyst, the DEF mixer, and the EGR valve. Should I expect all 3 items to be replaced? Looking at the posts, it doesn't seem the mixer and catalyst are being replaced on every car.

From post #120 in this thread:

Originally Posted by Jim E.

I posted this over in the E70 X5 forum and I believe it's even more important to post it on this diesel forum:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=60

Ok, now that I've had some time to really look into this, I believe I can shed some light on all this recall confusion. Why? I have two diesels (E90 and X5) and a friend also has an E90 diesel all of which cover this recall. In reality, it is actually THREE different recalls that each depend on engine production dates.

All three recall notices deal with the same exact subject: "Voluntary Emissions Recall Campaign 11E-A03: Check and/or Replace Emissions Monitoring Components"

In chronological order:

#1. SIB 18 02 12 covers - E70 and E90 with the M57Y engine produced from January 2008 to September 2009.

#2. SIB 18 03 12 covers - E70 and E90 with the M57Y engine produced from April 2009 to March 2010.

#3. SIB 11 04 12 covers - E70 and E90 with the M57Y engine produced from January 2010 to March 2011.

Recall #1 above requires the dealer to check the SCR part number. If the part number is NOT 18308509753 (E70) or 18308509750 (E90), the SCR catalyst will need to be replaced.

The next part of recall #1 deals with the "mixer." If your mixer has a "multiple fin" arrangement, then it will need to be replaced with P/N 18308513445 (E70) or P/N 18308512438 (E90) which are single fins. Single fins basically look like a jet turbine fins at the intake. Each fin is a solid single straight fin.

The last part of recall #1 is to inspect the EGR and replace it if it's the old style with (P/N 11 71 8 517 217 or P/N 11 71 8 512 526)

Recall #2 only deals with the mixer and EGR. This means that at some point in production, they started to install the new SCR part.

Recall #3 only deals with the EGR which means that at some point in production, they also started to use the new style mixer and only need to address the EGR.

Hope this helps.