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Old 05-20-2016, 07:21 AM
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Question 2016 X3 35i demo or 2016 X3 28i Brand new

I am thinking about getting an X3. I have test driven 2016 X3 28i and 2016 X3 35i and did feel the difference in the power and smooth shifts.

In my search, I came across a demo X3 with 6801 miles (Has Black Sapphire/Black, Xline, Premium Package, Cold Weather, Driver Assistance, Technology). The dealer is asking for $52700 by adding ultimate driver experience $1000 Credit and 9.5% Tax. Since it's a 2016 model, it now has only 3 year warranty left. I am not sure how well used the demo vehicle is, even though it has low miles.

Do you advise to get a new 2016 X3 28i for around $50K with taxes and above packages or the above demo with 6801 miles for $52K. Any feedback is fine.

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Old 05-20-2016, 10:32 AM
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Hey Nifty... I think it all comes down to needing the power or not. What kind of driving are you doing??

In our case we do almost 100 percent city driving with one or two "road trips" a year and those are done on high mountain pass divided highways fenced for animals. We ended up with the 28i as we saved a little on the front end and a little more on fuel.

2 grand with less warranty wouldn't be worth it for me, but I find the 28i to be impressive with the 8 speed (brilliant transmission that is). Lots of folks here swear by the 35i but it wasn't worth it for me. Unless you need the power, long drives on single lane roads with small passing areas for example, or lots of merges onto busy freeways; the power is nice but...

I would ask the dealer to sharpen the pencil on the demo, if you could get another grand I would go. If not order exactly what you want and get a full warranty AND know how it was driven!! Which is worth something too!!!

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Old 05-20-2016, 11:31 AM
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@canadian_x3: I like to have the performance urge once in a while, but most of the time, I do laid back driving here in the city and the highway (can't afford the tickets and insurance premiums) . If the 28i performs good enough for passing in a crazy city like Chicago, it should probably work for me. I will try to negotiate with the dealer on the demo and if he can go lower, I will go for that.
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Old 05-20-2016, 11:33 AM
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I'd try for an extended warranty on the demo.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:47 PM
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Old 05-20-2016, 05:32 PM
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If you want the performance, then go for the 35i IMO. It is fun when you want and it can be in eco pro mode too!
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Old 05-20-2016, 06:31 PM
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@canadian_x3: I like to have the performance urge once in a while, but most of the time, I do laid back driving here in the city and the highway (can't afford the tickets and insurance premiums) . If the 28i performs good enough for passing in a crazy city like Chicago, it should probably work for me. I will try to negotiate with the dealer on the demo and if he can go lower, I will go for that.
The 28 has plenty of power and you will probably be faster than 99 percent of the cars on the road.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:22 PM
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The 28 has plenty of power and you will probably be faster than 99 percent of the cars on the road.
Excepting the x35i models, among others. I think you'd not see more than at most a 2 mpg difference, and if you drive 16k miles a year that will be perhaps around a $150 - 200 or so difference in fuel costs.
I would test drive both and see if the difference is enough to persuade you one way or another.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:08 PM
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Having driven both, the 35 gets the same or better than the 28 over the same routes with me behind the wheel. Turbo engines have great mpg on paper as the EPA test cycles don't get them into boost. In real life, drivers get into the boost, which sucks fuel. Additionally, turbo engines run slightly rich for cooling the the pistons and top end, using more fuel. Because the 28 uses a 4 banger, drivers are on the boost more than they would a turbo 6. However the major decision maker for me is the inherent smoothness of an I6, the most naturally balanced engine arrangement next to a V12. Smoothness equals longevity. Can't fight physics. The N20 and its successors have major issues that the N55 and its successors and progenitors do not: timing chain failures which are largely unheard of in any other vehicle. Not to mention the things knock like a diesel right out of the gate.

However, because I can't stand turbo engines, I will buy neither, but instead will continue to drive my E83 until BMW comes out with a naturally aspirated I6 again.
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:32 AM
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I am thinking about getting an X3. I have test driven 2016 X3 28i and 2016 X3 35i and did feel the difference in the power and smooth shifts.

In my search, I came across a demo X3 with 6801 miles (Has Black Sapphire/Black, Xline, Premium Package, Cold Weather, Driver Assistance, Technology). The dealer is asking for $52700 by adding ultimate driver experience $1000 Credit and 9.5% Tax. Since it's a 2016 model, it now has only 3 year warranty left. I am not sure how well used the demo vehicle is, even though it has low miles.

Do you advise to get a new 2016 X3 28i for around $50K with taxes and above packages or the above demo with 6801 miles for $52K. Any feedback is fine.

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We were in the same shoes as you two years ago, deciding between a demo X3 35i or a 28i, we decided on the 35i. Even though they are both X3, they drives like two different SUVs. The 35i has world class acceleration, it can effortlessly do what the 28i struggle at doing. The exhaust note on the 35i sounds like a sport car compare to the 28i which sounds like a lawn mower The resale value on the 35i is also much higher than the 28i, in the end, if you like driving, get the 35i, if you want a point A to a point B SUV, the 28i is fine.
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Old 05-21-2016, 10:18 AM
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Looked at both

Back in 2011 wife and I looked at both. It's her car so she got to choose. Driving is a mix of city with 4 hour trips up to Michigan every 6 weeks. For us it was a no-brainer - the 35i felt like it was ready to go whenever you needed power. The 28 felt like lacked torque and consequently overtaking maneuvers had to be thought through in advance.
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:59 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but I would expect the price to be quite a bit lower for the used vehicle, even if low mileage. Though admittedly I haven't priced new X3's lately. I tend to buy 2-3 year-old vehicles, because a well-maintained car with fairly low miles should be mechanically sound, while the price advantage is remarkable--i.e., 25-30% less than new.

I have a 35i and agree with the performance comments--the gas mileage is not much worse than the 28i. However, at least in my experience buying used there wasn't a great difference in retail price between the 2--maybe $1500-2000. I think it's probably optimistic to say that the 35i will hold its price advantage over the 28i when it comes time to trade in or sell. That should be a minor consideration IMO.
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I don't even consider resale, simply because by the time I get rid of a vehicle, there is either 0 residual value, or it has started to increase. My DD truck is an '84. All I I consider is longevity and the was with which I can work on it; at any given time, the toolbox in the back of each of my old vehicles contains enough tools to to an engine swap.

I loathe modern BMWs with a passion due to their over-emphasis on electronic tech, but if I had to choose, it'd be a 35. At least I wouldn't be having to put timing chains into it. (I replaced a timing chain because I HAD to one other time, on my 442, on a junkyard motor I picked up for it that had at least 300k miles on it. With a new chain, gears, and gaskets, I can keep oil in it, but can barely keep tires on it. N20 sucks. )
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I don't even consider resale, simply because by the time I get rid of a vehicle, there is either 0 residual value, or it has started to increase. My DD truck is an '84. All I I consider is longevity and the was with which I can work on it; at any given time, the toolbox in the back of each of my old vehicles contains enough tools to to an engine swap.

I loathe modern BMWs with a passion due to their over-emphasis on electronic tech, but if I had to choose, it'd be a 35. At least I wouldn't be having to put timing chains into it. (I replaced a timing chain because I HAD to one other time, on my 442, on a junkyard motor I picked up for it that had at least 300k miles on it. With a new chain, gears, and gaskets, I can keep oil in it, but can barely keep tires on it. N20 sucks. )
It seems like one would need a degree in electrical engineering in nowadays to properly diagnose and fix these cars. I am not at all handy with vehicles so I will find a great indy near me to rely on when my warranty is up, or trade the X3 in while it still holds residual for a newer more tech filled one. Pretty soon, cars will be driving us and us not driving them unless we put them in non auto pilot mode. My kids will probably say, "Dad, you actually drove cars?"
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My kids will probably say, "Dad, you actually drove cars?"
I like all the technology, it is the main reason we moved from a 2014 RX350 to a 2016 X3 and I am looking forward to a truly self-driving car.

Our daughters are in their early 40s and drive all the time and our grandkids certainly know about driving, the oldest (9) has driven a service ATV on his dad's parent's farm. I'll have to wait for great grandkids who don't know about driving a car and I often think about the wonderous things they will accept as every day.
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I did the same exact thing except they certified my 35i with 6k miles so I gotntye 75k mile warranty on it the 35i is a beast.

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It seems like one would need a degree in electrical engineering in nowadays to properly diagnose and fix these cars. I am not at all handy with vehicles so I will find a great indy near me to rely on when my warranty is up, or trade the X3 in while it still holds residual for a newer more tech filled one. Pretty soon, cars will be driving us and us not driving them unless we put them in non auto pilot mode. My kids will probably say, "Dad, you actually drove cars?"

Not me; I'll still be driving my '84 GMC.
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I like all the technology, it is the main reason we moved from a 2014 RX350 to a 2016 X3 and I am looking forward to a truly self-driving car.

Once cars become autonomous, they all become the same. I can't comprehend how anyone would surrender control over their lives to a machine; think how often a smart phone or computer glitches, what happens when that occurs while a car is driving itself? Christ, often times on the GPS, the vehicle isn't even on a "road", or think about all the crashes and deaths that occur every year from people blindly following their GPS right off a cliff. Moreover, goodbye privacy as the government can now not only track your every move but also take control of your vehicle. Or, some pimply faced kid can do the same; they hacked the pentagon, hacking into a car would be child's play. In fact, it's already been done recently, in CA I believe. The consolation for me as that autonomous cars will bring about their own extinction, by removing the genes of their buyers from the gene pool.
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Once cars become autonomous, they all become the same. I can't comprehend how anyone would surrender control over their lives to a machine; think how often a smart phone or computer glitches, what happens when that occurs while a car is driving itself? Christ, often times on the GPS, the vehicle isn't even on a "road", or think about all the crashes and deaths that occur every year from people blindly following their GPS right off a cliff. Moreover, goodbye privacy as the government can now not only track your every move but also take control of your vehicle. Or, some pimply faced kid can do the same; they hacked the pentagon, hacking into a car would be child's play. In fact, it's already been done recently, in CA I believe. The consolation for me as that autonomous cars will bring about their own extinction, by removing the genes of their buyers from the gene pool.
Its just perspective. Think about all of the dark ages medical devices that to us seem shocking and horrifying. Someday, people will think, "OMG, they actually poked people in their groins and stuck a tube up their blood vessels and left a metal stent" It's all in how you look at it and how and what is perceived to be normal for the time period. As far as privacy goes, it has been gone for a long time now IMO. The only way to have total privacy is to be off the grid. Even off the grid, the Discovery channel will still find you and expose you!
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Once cars become autonomous, they all become the same. I can't comprehend how anyone would surrender control over their lives to a machine; think how often a smart phone or computer glitches, what happens when that occurs while a car is driving itself? Christ, often times on the GPS, the vehicle isn't even on a "road", or think about all the crashes and deaths that occur every year from people blindly following their GPS right off a cliff. Moreover, goodbye privacy as the government can now not only track your every move but also take control of your vehicle. Or, some pimply faced kid can do the same; they hacked the pentagon, hacking into a car would be child's play. In fact, it's already been done recently, in CA I believe. The consolation for me as that autonomous cars will bring about their own extinction, by removing the genes of their buyers from the gene pool.
I just saw an article about a Tesla crashing itself into a trailer when in retrieve mode. Tesla says the owner is responsible because they should be aware of their surroundings. But if a car is supposed to drive itself it shouldn't hit things,

And I agree if you can hack a car to hit other cars it will be done.
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^aready has.

https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacker...-jeep-highway/

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-wa...ing-real-risk/

Are we becoming so lazy that we're giving away most basic tasks to computers? What happens when someone actually has to control a vehicle? Tasks like backing up perfectly to a boat trailer, parallel parking, or steering the vehicle with one's right foot in the snow are lost arts I'm afraid. They said the Titanic couldn't sink either; for some reason, humans refuse to accept their own lack of infallibility.
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^aready has.

https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacker...-jeep-highway/

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-wa...ing-real-risk/

Are we becoming so lazy that we're giving away most basic tasks to computers? What happens when someone actually has to control a vehicle? Tasks like backing up perfectly to a boat trailer, parallel parking, or steering the vehicle with one's right foot in the snow are lost arts I'm afraid. They said the Titanic couldn't sink either; for some reason, humans refuse to accept their own lack of infallibility.
my neighbor just backed into a car parked on the street and the reply was "i was using the sensors, and i still hit it". It happened to be an audi she was driving
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If one is interested in self driving cars why in the world would they be buying a BMW??? A driver's car. Used to be, enthusiasts gravitated to this marque and bought them for their performance and handling characteristics.
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I did the same exact thing except they certified my 35i with 6k miles so I gotntye 75k mile warranty on it the 35i is a beast.
The Warranty for the 2016 X3 demo in the Original Post is ending it's First Year end of this month.

If I have the dealership certify it, how long should I ask it to be certified? (1 year of Original Warranty Expiration + 3 Years of remaining Factory Warranty + 2 Years of CPO Warranty) equating to 5 years of remaining warranty or 100K miles?
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