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View Poll Results: Does the steering wheel in your 2014 F10 change feel in different driving modes?
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:03 AM
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Does Steering wheel weight change in different driving modes on your '14 M-Sport?

This one is really bugging me as I can't find a definitive answer. I've read several reports of people claiming (on this forum) that in various driving modes their steering weighs differently i.e. lighter in Eco Pro & Comfort Modes, whereas heavier in Sport & Sport+ modes.

This is Not the case in my 2014 535i with M-Sport pkg & Sport Transmission - mine is always heavy. Initially I chalked it up to regular cars having this feature AND mine Not having it because BMW wanted the M-Sport cars to have the sporty steering feel all the time. However, today I read another post from a person claiming steering feel difference in his 528i M-Sport.

Just to be clear, I know what the change in steering feel is, BUT that was with a 2011 535i with Dynamic Handling Package that I test drove. I have never felt that kind of change with my car, mine is always heavy.

Can people with 2014 M-Sport (with 704 suspension AND Without DHP ) chime in?
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:17 AM
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I have a '13 X drive but also test drove a '14 X Drive (both M Sport) before and after I purchased my '13. The steering effort on both MY cars was the same regardless of the selection of Comfort/Sport/Sport Plus. That mode switch only adjusts throttle sensitivity and transmission shift points, not steering weight. A steering weight change occurs parking lot speed driving (lighter effort). As you increase speed to normal road driving, the steering effort increases to the normal weight. The 528 definitely has lighter effort steering (base model). I didn't drive a 528 with M Sport to compare that steering effort to a 535 X Drive..

Do you have a concern with your car's steering effort?
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:18 AM
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I have 528i without m-sport, and tested it for the last whole weekend.
The asnwer is YES though I didn't feed any difference at the first time.
I coded my car and configured the sport mode to 'chassis only' to compare only the steering feel.
And the steering started to get heavy around the speed of 40mph. It's not a huge difference, but it's obvious.
You might not notice it at lower speed or during parking due to the varying steering wheel weight depending on the speed, so try it at a bit higher speed.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:35 AM
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I have 528i without m-sport, and tested it for the last whole weekend.
The asnwer is YES though I didn't feed any difference at the first time.
I coded my car and configured the sport mode to 'chassis only' to compare only the steering feel.
And the steering started to get heavy around the speed of 40mph. It's not a huge difference, but it's obvious.
You might not notice it at lower speed or during parking due to the varying steering wheel weight depending on the speed, so try it at a bit higher speed.
Are you not just describing what I posted above? Steering weight (effort) gets heavier as you increase to normal road speeds. What difference was there when you "coded" your car's sport setting button back to the factory settings (whatever that affects - which is what the OP is trying to learn)?
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:49 AM
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Are you not just describing what I posted above? Steering weight (effort) gets heavier as you increase to normal road speeds. What difference was there when you "coded" your car's sport setting button back to the factory settings (whatever that affects - which is what the OP is trying to learn)?
I intentionally turned off the sport mode of drivetrain to compare the steering accurately because you cannot
evaluate the steering feel exactly when the throttle and transmission responses are different.
That was the only purpose of coding.
By the way, the steering weight gets heavier at higher speed and in the sport mode it gets more heavier than in comport mode.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:57 AM
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The last M-Sport loaner does give heavier steering in Sport setting.
Makes no difference on the non-sport packaged cars.
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I just tried different driving modes again, when I was stopped at a red light and also when I was doing around 55mph. Still Didn't notice any difference between Sport vs Comfort
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:22 PM
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I just tried different driving modes again, when I was stopped at a red light and also when I was doing around 55mph. Still Didn't notice any difference between Sport vs Comfort
The difference is kinda small. You have to steer it pretty aggressively to feel it.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:25 PM
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The difference is kinda small. You have to steer it pretty aggressively to feel it.
hmmmm...The 2011 535i with DHP that I drove had a very noticeable difference between Comfort and Sport, which made maneuvering at parking lot speeds very comfortable. I don't get why BMW isn't allowing the option to configure all these different modes.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:24 PM
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Starting to sound like only the msport varies the steering effort with drive mode setting.


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Old 07-21-2014, 03:21 PM
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I just tried different driving modes again, when I was stopped at a red light and also when I was doing around 55mph. Still Didn't notice any difference between Sport vs Comfort
do it in the middle of a long sweeping corner at moderate speed - you'll feel the steering tighten up a bit
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Old 07-21-2014, 04:00 PM
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I have a 2014 535i with M-Sport. I'm not a very aggressive/skilled driver, but I can 100% tell the difference between Sport and Comfort settings. Not even close.
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I have a 2014 535i with M-Sport. I'm not a very aggressive/skilled driver, but I can 100% tell the difference between Sport and Comfort settings. Not even close.
Do you have Sport Automatic Transmission? Are there "closeable" slats behind front kidney grills?
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:11 PM
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2014 528 RWD with MSport and SAT. No DHP. Noticeable difference in steering weight between comfort and sport
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Old 07-21-2014, 07:09 PM
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Do you have Sport Automatic Transmission? Are there "closeable" slats behind front kidney grills?

What do those slats do?
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What do those slats do?
There was a thread on it...No one has any clue why some cars come with those and others don't. But they are supposed to help improve aerodynamics and save fuel. Maybe this Steering weight issue is also one of those issues that only BMW AG knows the truth about. So do you have those "closable" slats?
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At warp speed all the weights suddenly change in my car.
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There was a thread on it...No one has any clue why some cars come with those and others don't. But they are supposed to help improve aerodynamics and save fuel. Maybe this Steering weight issue is also one of those issues that only BMW AG knows the truth about. So do you have those "closable" slats?

I do!
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I drove '14 550 M-Sport in Germany sometimes at very high speeds and could definitely feel the difference in steering.
In a related note, the steering in LCI has been greatly improved.
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'14 528 x-drive. No SAT. Active grille slats. There is a noticeable difference in steering between Comfort and Sport modes. I can't tell you about Eco-Pro because I don't use it.
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'14 528 x-drive. No SAT. Active grille slats. There is a noticeable difference in steering between Comfort and Sport modes. I can't tell you about Eco-Pro because I don't use it.
Why would grille slat have anything to do with steering? The MSport probably has more to do with the difference in steering.
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^^ Agreed. The active shutters behind the grill are to lower wind resistance to reduce fuel consumption.
Steering feel is a function of the EPS software. Two separate functions.
I can definitely feel a difference in steering effort between Comfort/Eco Pro and Sport in my 2014 535i rwd MSport.
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^^ Agreed. The active shutters behind the grill are to lower wind resistance to reduce fuel consumption.
Steering feel is a function of the EPS software. Two separate functions.
I can definitely feel a difference in steering effort between Comfort/Eco Pro and Sport in my 2014 535i rwd MSport.
Do you have closable slats behind the grill?


My working theory is that there is an option that over-rides the steering function, closable slats and perhaps some other features as well. It could possibly be because of "Increased Top Speed Limiter" option code, as at higher speeds you'd Not want the steering to be soft as well as require max engine cooling.
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Mine is a 2014 M Sport with Sport Auto. The steering gets slightly firmer when the mode switch is in Sport rather than Comfort. I'll admit it's rather subtle.

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This one is really bugging me as I can't find a definitive answer. I've read several reports of people claiming (on this forum) that in various driving modes their steering weighs differently i.e. lighter in Eco Pro & Comfort Modes, whereas heavier in Sport & Sport+ modes.

This is Not the case in my 2014 535i with M-Sport pkg & Sport Transmission - mine is always heavy. Initially I chalked it up to regular cars having this feature AND mine Not having it because BMW wanted the M-Sport cars to have the sporty steering feel all the time. However, today I read another post from a person claiming steering feel difference in his 528i M-Sport.

Just to be clear, I know what the change in steering feel is, BUT that was with a 2011 535i with Dynamic Handling Package that I test drove. I have never felt that kind of change with my car, mine is always heavy.

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Why would grille slat have anything to do with steering? The MSport probably has more to do with the difference in steering.
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^^ Agreed. The active shutters behind the grill are to lower wind resistance to reduce fuel consumption.
Steering feel is a function of the EPS software. Two separate functions.
I can definitely feel a difference in steering effort between Comfort/Eco Pro and Sport in my 2014 535i rwd MSport.
I don't think they have anything to do with it. I was just answering Motorboat411's question along with all of the other ones in the thread all at once. That way I'd only have to post in this thread once .
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