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Old 05-08-2012, 07:31 PM
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Kind of love it and kind of hate it at the same time. Sexy in a way, but in another way it just looks like a 6 series on an hdtv stretch mode display.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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I don't think I would do the 650GC since the M5 is a better car for the money. I would do either M5 or M6GC.

I will probably place an order for an M5 ED this week.
Cool, sell me your dream machine.
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Cool, sell me your dream machine.
I put in the order for September 3rd at the Welt.
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Having driven the F10 M5 I find it just as comfortable and drive able in day to day use as my 550i. In fact ride quality is better than 550i on run flats, and certainly better than a 550i with Dinan springs.

That's what is awesome about here M5 it is Jekyll and Hyde.
I didn't realize you had Dinan springs. In what way does it ride better? Did you swap out the uber-heavy 550 stock wheels also? I find the springs/wheels/tires change out completely changed the way the 550 handled and rode.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:16 PM
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I didn't realize you had Dinan springs. In what way does it ride better? Did you swap out the uber-heavy 550 stock wheels also? I find the springs/wheels/tires change out completely changed the way the 550 handled and rode.
No my experience with Dinan Springs is from driving another forum member's car who also has light forged alloys. I thought the Dinan ride quality was quite good, but it transmitted more road imperfections than the stock setup or the M5. The dynamic range of the suspension was reduced substantially. On the M5 the range is still there and it does a fantastic job of filtering out the vibrations.

Dinan does completely transform the way the car handles and rides, but the M5 suspension does so even more. In Sport+ the M5 suspension is much better than the Dinan in Sport+, in Comfort it is better than a 550i on stock suspension.

Dinan fell short because they didn't look at the software, but tried to correct the suspension with springs alone.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:36 AM
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No my experience with Dinan Springs is from driving another forum member's car who also has light forged alloys. I thought the Dinan ride quality was quite good, but it transmitted more road imperfections than th stock setup or the M5. The dynamic range of the suspension was reduced substantially. On the M5 the range is still there and it does a fantastic job of filtering out the vibrations.

Dinan does completely transform the way the car handles and rides, but the M5 suspension does so even more. In Sport+ the M5 suspension is much better than the Dinan in Sport+, in Comfort it is better than a 550i on stock suspension.

Dinan fell short because they didn't look at the software, but tried to correct the suspension with springs alone.
While I would love to get the Dinan suspension for my 550xi M Sport, I'm probably not going to because I'm concerned that the drop from the Dinan springs will cause my upsized 45 series sidewall tires to rub. They do not rub it all even with a full load in the stock suspension. And they really smooth out the potholes.

It's a shame because the stock M Sport suspension is way way way too soft for my liking even on sport plus.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:52 AM
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I put in the order for September 3rd at the Welt.
you are taking a huge bath on the 550 huh
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you are taking a huge bath on the 550 huh
Stealth got a taste of the M5 a liked it, so if he ends up taking a bath on a car that he is no longer crazy about could/should be worth it to him.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:34 AM
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Stealth got a taste of the M5 a liked it, so if he ends up taking a bath on a car that he is no longer crazy about could/should be worth it to him.
i should talk. taking delivery of an M3 on memorial day weekend. but i'm adding it to the stable, not taking a bath on my 550i, which i still love to pieces
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you are taking a huge bath on the 550 huh
I don't think I am taking a bath. I bought my car at ED invoice and paid no sales tax.

So my buying price is about $18k below the new car street price. I am only expecting to lose a few thousand. I reckon selling after 1 year is better than selling after 2.

If my math is off, I may cancel the deal. But probably not because I could get the M5 anyway drive it 6 months and sell it since the lack of discounting on US deliveries and sale tax factor creates a huge price umbrella on the M5.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:05 AM
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I don't think I am taking a bath. I bought my car at ED invoice and paid no sales tax.

So my buying price is about $18k below the new car street price. I am only expecting to lose a few thousand. I reckon selling after 1 year is better than selling after 2.

If my math is off, I may cancel the deal. But probably not because I could get the M5 anyway drive it 6 months and sell it since the lack of discounting on US deliveries and sale tax factor creates a huge price umbrella on the M5.
If your loss is less than $10k including what you spent on Dinan you are doing well. Are you getting the M5 at ED invoice as well? Congrats to the order btw, the M5s will be a rare sight for quite a while.

Regarding the 6GC, I'm not thinking about it. Large, heavy and expensive luxury cruisers are not my thing.

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Old 05-09-2012, 09:08 AM
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I don't think I am taking a bath. I bought my car at ED invoice and paid no sales tax.

So my buying price is about $18k below the new car street price. I am only expecting to lose a few thousand. I reckon selling after 1 year is better than selling after 2.

If my math is off, I may cancel the deal. But probably not because I could get the M5 anyway drive it 6 months and sell it since the lack of discounting on US deliveries and sale tax factor creates a huge price umbrella on the M5.
are you able to move all of your interceptor equipment to the m5? that would be a big savings i suppose. i dont really care what you do bro, it's your dough. in fact i completely understand. i just dont see how with deprecition being what it is you can lose just 10gs (including dinan, tires, etc). that means you basically lost 6gs. it doesnt figure. non-tampered with 550i from 2012 are probably what, 58? 62?
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It's just too much freaking money, IMO. I guess if you can afford it, you can afford it. But sheesh, when you can get a CLS 63 AMG for roughly the same price as a six cylinder 640i GC, well, that's just a bit damning, no?
THIS. The GC is simply overpriced. If I wanted a 4 door coupe style car I would, without a doubt, get the MB CLS 63 AMG. I have driven one and they are awesome.
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Having driven the F10 M5 I find it just as comfortable and drive able in day to day use as my 550i. In fact ride quality is better than 550i on run flats, and certainly better than a 550i with Dinan springs.

That's what is awesome about here M5 it is Jekyll and Hyde.
I agree and that is how it seemed to me when I compared the E60 M5 to the E60 550i. Congrats on your new M5 and I am sure you will love it. I want a white over orange one myself.....
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are you able to move all of your interceptor equipment to the m5? that would be a big savings i suppose. i dont really care what you do bro, it's your dough. in fact i completely understand. i just dont see how with deprecition being what it is you can lose just 10gs (including dinan, tires, etc). that means you basically lost 6gs. it doesnt figure. non-tampered with 550i from 2012 are probably what, 58? 62?
Based on what I know he will pull closer to 55k maybe 58k on trade. Assuming he paid around 68 for it with ED pricing he will not come out too bad. Fact of the matter is he wants the M5 and he has two choices. Keep both cars or sell the 550i. I too want an M5, but I am going to wait until the 535i needs to be replaced and then get one....I can put 200k miles on a car in under 5 years so the M5 will still be in production when I am ready for a new car.
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"I can put 200k miles on a car in under 5 years". That will be a lot of depreciation dollars on an M5. But drivers count pleasure and costs by mile not years, right? And with that kind of miles I can only assume that your income is correlated to miles as well. I.e business travel, paid for one way or another.

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It's funny how people who elected to by a $50k +++ car instead of a $25,000 Honda Accord suddenly start talking about how much someone else is going to piss away buying a new car. We all spent way more than we needed to in order to get us from point A to point B.

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It's funny how people who elected to by a $50k +++ car instead of a $25,000 Honda Accord suddenly start talking about how much someone else is going to piss away buying a new car. We all spent way more than we needed to in order to get us from point A to point B.

It's all relative.
why the accord? why not public transport?

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It's funny how people who elected to by a $50k +++ car instead of a $25,000 Honda Accord suddenly start talking about how much someone else is going to piss away buying a new car. We all spent way more than we needed to in order to get us from point A to point B.

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It's funny how people who elected to by a $50k +++ car instead of a $25,000 Honda Accord suddenly start talking about how much someone else is going to piss away buying a new car. We all spent way more than we needed to in order to get us from point A to point B.

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I think it's more the short holding time of brand new car that the driver loves dearly and many argue is close to an M5 in many aspects that make some question the value of the 30k investment even for a car enthusiast. For people who are on a tight budget I would agree but I got the feeling that this is pretty much pocket change for stealth.
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are you able to move all of your interceptor equipment to the m5? that would be a big savings i suppose. i dont really care what you do bro, it's your dough. in fact i completely understand. i just dont see how with deprecition being what it is you can lose just 10gs (including dinan, tires, etc). that means you basically lost 6gs. it doesnt figure. non-tampered with 550i from 2012 are probably what, 58? 62?
I deliberately had the radar and interceptor equipment installed in a removable way. No holes, no physical damage. Everything mounted with double sided tape. I had a 1 year timeframe in mind.

I am expecting thi car to go for more. A new 550i can range from 62k to 85k, resale also varies accordingly.

1 year old cars go for about 78-83% of MSRP in South Florida. Last August I tried to buy a used 2011 and I could not buy one for less than 85% of MSRP which I why I bought new.

So all I will lose is the cost of the Dinan plus a few points of MSRP. Maybe 8-10k total. Not a lot.
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I think it's more the short holding time of brand new car that the driver loves dearly and many argue is close to an M5 in many aspects that make some question the value of the 30k investment even for a car enthusiast. For people who are on a tight budget I would agree but I got the feeling that this is pretty much pocket change for stealth.
There is a guy on the Corvette forum who buys a new Corvette every year. He has owned over 70 of them if I recall correctly. He always orders the most expensive model they make - especially if there is a special edition. It seems like he no sooner takes delivery of one than he is already ordering a new one. Enough money makes it all fun and games. People in some very under developed countries probably can't conceive that we wear a clean pair of underwear every day.
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"I can put 200k miles on a car in under 5 years". That will be a lot of depreciation dollars on an M5. But drivers count pleasure and costs by mile not years, right? And with that kind of miles I can only assume that your income is correlated to miles as well. I.e business travel, paid for one way or another.
The depreciation is bad no matter what I buy since I put so many miles on the car. I was really hoping to find a CPO M5 in 2014-2015 to help offset some of the depreciation I would take buying a new M5 and driving it 30-40k miles a year. If I cannot find a suitable CPO then I may just get a new one. My car is one my biggest pleasures and I consider it worth the cost of entry. I have had M3's in the past and loved them, but I spend too much time in the car to get beat up daily driving the M3 hence my eye toward the M5.
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I don't think I am taking a bath. I bought my car at ED invoice and paid no sales tax.

So my buying price is about $18k below the new car street price. I am only expecting to lose a few thousand. I reckon selling after 1 year is better than selling after 2.

If my math is off, I may cancel the deal. But probably not because I could get the M5 anyway drive it 6 months and sell it since the lack of discounting on US deliveries and sale tax factor creates a huge price umbrella on the M5.
How did you buy a car without paying sales tax?
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