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Old 05-09-2012, 08:40 PM
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C7 Audi S6 tested and it's ridiculously fast

Competition for the 550i (not M5). Seems to putting down near M5 numbers at a 550i-like pricepoint

Compared to the regular A6 3.0T, it gets an upgraded interior with better seats, S-Line exterior trim, torque-vectoring rear diff, crown-gear diff, V8TT, and dual-clutch auto

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review

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VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan


ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $71,000


ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection


Displacement: 240 cu in, 3933 cc
Power: 420 hp @ 6400 rpm
Torque: 406 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm


TRANSMISSION: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode


DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.6 in
Length: 194.1 in
Width: 73.8 in Height: 56.7 in
Curb weight: 4255 lb


C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.1 sec
Rolling start, 560 mph: 4.9 sec
Top gear, 3050 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 5070 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing -mile: 12.1 sec @ 115 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g


FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city/highway: 17/26 mpg
C/D observed: 14 mpg

TEST NOTES: Launch control is activated in D sport with ESC off. Just stomp the gas with the brake and it zings to 5000 rpm, lift and it moves out.

To put it into perspective, Motor Trend timed the F10 M5 at 3.7s 0-60 (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html)

C7 RS6/RS7 is going to be a beast


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Old 05-09-2012, 08:46 PM
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Competition for the 550i (not M5). Seems to putting down near M5 numbers at a 550i-like pricepoint

Compared to the regular A6 3.0T, it gets an upgraded interior with better seats, S-Line exterior trim, torque-vectoring rear diff, crown-gear diff, V8TT, and dual-clutch auto

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review



To put it into perspective, Motor Trend timed the F10 M5 at 3.7s 0-60 (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html)

C7 RS6/RS7 is going to be a beast

Just not much to look at in my opinion.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:13 PM
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Impressive acceleration. But the roadholding figure is very poor.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:20 PM
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^ Maybe it's a fluke, having to do with EU road surfaces?

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf

Regular 3.0T A6 put down 0.93 G
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Impressive acceleration. But the roadholding figure is very poor.
Agreed.
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Impressive acceleration. But the roadholding figure is very poor.
lol at least you'll have a nice 0-60 time when you crash. I'm sure the paramedics will be real impressed.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:57 AM
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Those numbers are pretty amazing. It will be interesting to see what it costs with "normal" options. I'm guessing that most of them will be sitting on lots at $80,000 or so. The other problem I would have is that Audi has very poor leases, so for those of us who lease it is likely to be way out of our reach.
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:04 AM
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Those numbers are pretty amazing. It will be interesting to see what it costs with "normal" options. I'm guessing that most of them will be sitting on lots at $80,000 or so. The other problem I would have is that Audi has very poor leases, so for those of us who lease it is likely to be way out of our reach.
Completely agree. Audi is really hard to deal with. I would be driving one now if the lease deals were better or they would give deeper discounts. Audi cars are VERY much in demand and supply is limited so they can hold tight. There are a million BMW's and MB's on the road. I think BMW and MB sell 5 times as many cars as Audi in the US.

I like Audi's current design through almost every model except the A7.
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how does it go 0-60 in 3.7 and 5-60 in 4.9??
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how does it go 0-60 in 3.7 and 5-60 in 4.9??
Good catch. Has to be a typo although I am not an expert on this. My first thought was where the tranny is at in terms of gear at 5MPH may hurt the performance as it has to downshift first when you bang it and maybe this hurts the time?
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how does it go 0-60 in 3.7 and 5-60 in 4.9??
That may be secondary to launch control.. with higher RPMs off the line.
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:38 AM
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That may be secondary to launch control.. with higher RPMs off the line.
by 1.2 seconds different? i'm thinking 3.7 is really 4.7
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These numbers just don't seem compatible. I suspect the HP number is waaay off. Wallace Racing esitmates 530HP. Wallace may not be 100% accurate, but it's a data point.

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Curb weight: 4255 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing -mile: 12.1 sec @ 115 mph
C/D observed: 14 mpg
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by 1.2 seconds different? i'm thinking 3.7 is really 4.7
I'm not sure, but I'm thinking it takes the car ~1 sec to get into higher revs and the turbo to kick in.
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errr...
Or it could've been a typo.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/02/2...-drive-review/
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:11 AM
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How would it compare to the current gen M3 sedan? Seems somewhat similar in price/size/purpose.

Not sure I like the smaller headlights, but the rest is nice, especially in red. What a great time to be a car guy!
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These numbers just don't seem compatible. I suspect the HP number is waaay off. Wallace Racing esitmates 530HP. Wallace may not be 100% accurate, but it's a data point.
I agree. I cannot see how a car with 420 hp with its weight can do a 3.7 second run to 60
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errr...
Or it could've been a typo.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/02/2...-drive-review/
Yes these test results are more in line with 550 level performance which makes sense given its 420 hp
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errr...
Or it could've been a typo.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/02/2...-drive-review/
There aren't any test numbers in this review.... They are just highlighting manufacturer specs.
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how does it go 0-60 in 3.7 and 5-60 in 4.9??
Car and Driver "corrects" their acceleration times with various algorithms for weather, etc.

Which is why I don't trust them any more.

Inside Line and The Truth About Cars run undoctored numbers.

0-60 is completely irrelevant now. So much depends on launch, and Quattro / AWD is a huge advantage. Also, so is the transmission and shifting behavior. Note how many cars are now geared to hit 60 in either first or second gear to avoid shifts, all in the name of meaningless performance numbers. How many people ever do 0-60's?

Rolling start, 5-60 is MUCH more indicative of a car's overall tractability and power. 1/4 mile is also a decent stat, although if corrected, it also loses significance.

The UK mags test in gear accelerations in 10 MPH increments. Much better.

My take on the Audi: nice car. Not impressed when I sat in it at the car show. Neither was my wife. Personally I like the B8 S4 as a package overall more than the S6.
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Car and Driver "corrects" their acceleration times with various algorithms for weather, etc.

Which is why I don't trust them any more.

Inside Line and The Truth About Cars run undoctored numbers.

0-60 is completely irrelevant now. So much depends on launch, and Quattro / AWD is a huge advantage. Also, so is the transmission and shifting behavior. Note how many cars are now geared to hit 60 in either first or second gear to avoid shifts, all in the name of meaningless performance numbers. How many people ever do 0-60's?

Rolling start, 5-60 is MUCH more indicative of a car's overall tractability and power. 1/4 mile is also a decent stat, although if corrected, it also loses significance.

The UK mags test in gear accelerations in 10 MPH increments. Much better.

My take on the Audi: nice car. Not impressed when I sat in it at the car show. Neither was my wife. Personally I like the B8 S4 as a package overall more than the S6.
I have been preaching the exact same thing for the past couple of years about 0-X times. Porsche is the expert right now at getting performance times that look good on paper, but really don't mean nearly as much in the real world.

I recently sold a Z06 I had for over three years. From a roll, very few cars would stay with it, but because it does not have AWD there are a number of cars that post more impressive times. But in the real world, nobody does full-boogey launches on the street - they just care about roll on acceleration and how hard it pulls through the gears.
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I do!
Okay, I used the "nobody" term too loosely. I've owned many fast cars and motorcycles, and I have occasionally, but not very often. But we are just not "right"
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unless otherwise proven to me, i think it nearly impossible for a car to go 0-60 in 3.7 with those specs.
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Wow, this thread oozes of sore loser. I would think this car will smack the 550 in the face hard performance wise given that Audi need to put significant distance between it and the 3.0T. Does that make me want one? No, since handling seem to possibly be as bad or worse than the F10 in terms of feel and cornering grip plus it's very boring looking. As usual we need to drive the car to know for sure but I'm not hopeful given the skidpad number that is very close to the F10.
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