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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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First set of M Performance Parts Brakes installed on TMS's 335i

Turner Motorsport installs BMW M Performance Parts Brakes on F30 335i

Turner Motorsport picked up one of the first F30 N55 power 335i in Alpine White this February and has had the pedal to the metal modifying their project F30. It started with a set of H&R sport springs, then came the 20" Forgelines and now they've installed the first set of BMW M Performance Parts Brakes.

BMW M Performance Parts is BMW's answer to a growing demand for factory warrantied parts that increase the performance of the car beyond stock. Part offering from BMW for the F30 3 Series includes brakes, carbon fiber interior trim, black kidney grills and more. Read about the entire line of M Performance Parts in our recent article.

BMW M Performance Parts Brakes

Over at Turner Motorsport their factory trained technicians have bolted on the first set of brakes in the country. The brakes are made for BMW by Brembo and sport 4 piston fixed aluminum calipers riding on 370mm rotors up front and two piston fixed aluminum calipers over 345mm rear rotors.

The new brakes draw attention to the wheels with the bright yellow peaking out behind the matte gray Forgelines. The rotors are both slotted and drilled drawing attention to their size. Aesthetically the brakes clean up the car considerably over the dull gray of the stock 335i calipers. If you have a 328i the visual improvement is significant over the ugly floating calipers and tiny rotors.

On the road the F30 335i brake performance is improved with a more confident pedal feel and a perceived reduction in stopping distance. The brakes increased size shines in repetitive heavy braking where their resistance to fade is much greater then stock. The brake improvement on the F30 328i will be even greater as the stock brake system is almost undersized and the pedal feel leaves something to be desired.

The complete kit sells for $2,460.85 on TurnerMotorsport.com and TMS's service department can install them for you. If you're a DIYer we're told the installation is very easy, almost plug and play. The rotors install just like the stocks (but are more massive) and the kit comes with all the bolts, sensor, etc. that you need to install the brakes with out a hitch. It is recommend that you have your ECU flashed to update the DSC with the increased stopping power information.

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The brake kit looks pretty good under those wheels!
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Like. Is that $2500 for fronts only, or for all 4 corners? It's a good deal even at fronts only. If you're going to track this you'll need to spend another $350 per axle for some Pagid Yellow RS29. Don't even think about going on track with street pads. You'll ruin your expensive rotors.
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Like. Is that $2500 for fronts only, or for all 4 corners? It's a good deal even at fronts only. If you're going to track this you'll need to spend another $350 per axle for some Pagid Yellow RS29. Don't even think about going on track with street pads. You'll ruin your expensive rotors.
I looked up the F30 M Sport Brake Kit on BMW's website and it would appear that the ~$2,400 price is for front/rear.
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Why the ///M sticker is inverted depending on the caliper?
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The M Performance brake kit is all four corners....a pretty good price!
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Does anybody know if these are typical Brembo top-loading calipers? In other words, two pins holding the pads in with pads being loaded from the top of the caliper? On my Evo which has Brembos, I knock out two pins, lift the pad out, slide a new one in, tap the pins back in, and carry-on. It can be done in under two minutes per corner while at the track. This is one thing I will really miss about the Evo...

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Does anybody know if these are typical Brembo top-loading calipers? In other words, two pins holding the pads in with pads being loaded from the top of the caliper? On my Evo which has Brembos, I knock out two pins, lift the pad out, slide a new one in, tap the pins back in, and carry-on. It can be done in under two minutes per corner while at the track. This is one thing I will really miss about the Evo...

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It looks like it but I'll confirm with TMS for you.

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Does anybody know if these are typical Brembo top-loading calipers? In other words, two pins holding the pads in with pads being loaded from the top of the caliper? On my Evo which has Brembos, I knock out two pins, lift the pad out, slide a new one in, tap the pins back in, and carry-on. It can be done in under two minutes per corner while at the track. This is one thing I will really miss about the Evo...

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That is critical. Implies good design and makes the labor easier than taking off the wheel.
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Thanks Tim!

One unfortunate thing about being an instructor with BMW CCA is that we get less time to setup at the track. With the normal BMW calipers, there really isn't time to do brake pad swaps day of event. That means driving around for a while on track pads, which is never nice. To me, the ability to top load a caliper is crucial (again...ahem...not that I will ever be taking my F30 to the track, just making a general product statement).
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Why the ///M sticker is inverted depending on the caliper?
The M logos are on each caliper in such a way that the M is always up and the stripes are always down.

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Does anybody know if these are typical Brembo top-loading calipers? In other words, two pins holding the pads in with pads being loaded from the top of the caliper? On my Evo which has Brembos, I knock out two pins, lift the pad out, slide a new one in, tap the pins back in, and carry-on. It can be done in under two minutes per corner while at the track. This is one thing I will really miss about the Evo...

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The calipers are top loading! Take out the pin and you can swap pads without removing the caliper

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And why can't we get these on the 5 series F10? Come on BMW, WTF!
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I wonder if this kit could fit an E46 or E90. Does anyone know how similar the F30 brakes are to the E46 or E90?
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Don't even think about going on track with street pads. You'll ruin your expensive rotors.
Even better, take off the cute drilled/slotted rotors and put them on display somewhere; they are only included for looks.

Replace them with solid rotors if you want better performance (more swept area, better heat dissipation, etc.) They are also cheaper.

Then add some simple ducting to direct cool air to the brakes.

Also keep in mind that there are/will be oodles of brake kit options (Brembo, Wilwood, etc.) many of which will be cheaper but with equivalent or better performance.
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Even better, take off the cute drilled/slotted rotors and put them on display somewhere; they are only included for looks.

Replace them with solid rotors if you want better performance (more swept area, better heat dissipation, etc.) They are also cheaper.

Then add some simple ducting to direct cool air to the brakes.

Also keep in mind that there are/will be oodles of brake kit options (Brembo, Wilwood, etc.) many of which will be cheaper but with equivalent or better performance.
Well, these are dimpled/slotted right? Slotted is perfectly OK. In the largest sizes (over 360mm or approaching 15") there aren't really solid rotors to be found - they are always at least slotted.
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Slotted is perfectly OK.
Slotted is "OK," solid is better.

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Odd. I have never had an issue obtaining solid face rotors of many sizes. I've got a big box of them (cheaper by the dozen) so I have not been shopping for a bit.

(P.S. "Vented" vane rotors are something different; open in the middle between rotor faces.)

More important is getting lots of cold air to the brakes. The stock brakes will do fine if well vented. Of course, this doesn't do anything for looks so most will not be interested.
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Also keep in mind that there are/will be oodles of brake kit options (Brembo, Wilwood, etc.) many of which will be cheaper but with equivalent or better performance.
Some kits are really just marketing and bling and actually are no better than staying with a stock factory setup.

Rule of thumb with brakes is follow the ABCs for quality.

Alcons (best)
AP
Brembo
Stoptech
Wildwood (last)

I've had an opportunity to try all the brands and seen long term issues when they're sent for rebuilds. You get what you pay for and brakes are not something you want to save money on.

Personally I would never suggest Wilwoods. I'd tell people to stay stock and save their money.

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There are oodles of brake options, most good, some overpriced.

Pros primarily use AP Racing and Brembo, AP Racing is the best in the eyes of most. Alcon fell a good deal behind in quality and design some years ago, but is certainly still very good.

StopTech is good. Then there is Stillen (very good), Performance Friction (makes a good racing monoblock, their street series is fine), Stasis, Rotora, Coleman, . . .

This is all academic for a street driven F30 however. You are not going to be held back by the stock brakes. Change your tires and then pads if you want better braking response, Buy the brake kit if you want looks and bragging rights
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I wonder if this kit could fit an E46 or E90. Does anyone know how similar the F30 brakes are to the E46 or E90?
The kit will not work on an E90 for the fact that the F30 rotors are not interchangeable with the E90.

Harold at HP Autowerk has put a set of these same design Brembo calipers on an E90 and has been out logging miles on the street and track.

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Also keep in mind that there are/will be oodles of brake kit options (Brembo, Wilwood, etc.) many of which will be cheaper but with equivalent or better performance.

Then there is Stillen (very good), Performance Friction (makes a good racing monoblock, their street series is fine), Stasis, Rotora, Coleman, . . .

This is all academic for a street driven F30 however. Buy the brake kit if you want looks and bragging rights
The BMW M Performance kit represents an extremely capable BBK at a very reasonable price point. The calipers have been widely tested on many applications for many year (Audi S4, Jaguar Rs, etc). Nobody is arguing that for street driven cars that these are overkill. But the people these are marketed to are looking for the potential either for bragging rights or for the actual use.

In terms of BMW applications, the oodles you mentioned don't manufacturer for BMW and are for the most part rebranded Alcons, Brembos, etc. We all hope you're right that there will be a cheaper with equivalent or better performance potentials but I'm very doubtful. The cheaper alternatives that you've listed in your oodles are for the most part marketing and will not hold up to repeated light track and street application. Those purchasers are better off staying stock.

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I was referencing your post which claimed Alcon is the top within your "ABCs" of brakes. It is not. Combining two of my separate posts into one quote is, at best, confusing.

As to your point, there will be cheaper, equivalent or better options than the pre-packaged "M" brakes. Of course, you don't get the showy "M" however. Just start with sourcing the Brembo calipers and more performance oriented rotors.

Of course, if you want actual performance you buy a better product, but those truly in the market for actual track performance already know this.
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I was referencing your post which claimed Alcon is the top within your "ABCs" of brakes. It is not. Combining two of my separate posts into one quote is, at best, confusing.

As to your point, there will be cheaper, equivalent or better options than the pre-packaged "M" brakes. Of course, you don't get the showy "M" however. Just start with sourcing the Brembo calipers and more performance oriented rotors.
It said rule of thumb for ABC. Rotora in my opinion is the worst... but doesn't start w. Z. I'm not going to argue with you about who is the best. I'm not sure why you don't think Alcons aren't and what data you have to support it, but I'll say... go have it. You're absolutely right. Everyone is entitled to their opinion especially on the internet. They're not the best and I'm surprised that so many winning professional race teams in various race series still use them.

In terms of cheaper alternatives of sourcing the calipers, etc. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm currently sourcing f30 335i brake calipers which are the same caliper designs from Brembo without the paint. It's not as easy as just purchasing a kit which is what we were originally talking about, but it definitely is a cheaper alternative and I can choose individual components such as pads and rotors. Once everything comes in, maybe I'll take photos and do a write up on it. Or not. My original plan was just to buy new brake carriers from the euro market f30 328i that accomodate larger rotors, but decided the difference in price for a better caliper design was worth it. This being for a street car and not my track car, why go overkill.

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I'm not going to argue with you about who is the best.
Sure you are; you just did.

I did not write that Alcon brakes are bad, merely they are not the best. Alcon has had quality issues (particularly hats and rotor problems, and quality control issues) starting roughly five years ago that turned many away from them. At the prices they charge they should be perfect ($1,000 rotor). Alcon has made some very nice bits however, especially for armored vehicles and the like. I am confident you will find many more teams running AP Racing however.

I also did not write Rotora are top-tier, merely mentioning them as one of many options for someone who wants pretty brakes. In fact, I would recommend against Rotora for performance driving.

Strawmen are easy to knock down, yes?

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In terms of cheaper alternatives of sourcing the calipers, etc. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm currently sourcing f30 335i brake calipers which are the same caliper designs from Brembo without the paint.
Good thinking, especially as I suggested it.

As I am sure you know, you can spec just about any manufacturer's product to fit the car. There is nothing exotic about BMW brakes and design.
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Sure you are; you just did.

Good thinking, especially as I suggested it.

As I am sure you know, you can spec just about any manufacturer's product to fit the car. There is nothing exotic about BMW brakes and design.
You're always right. I follow you anywhere as my mentor in the bench racing world. Cheers!
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I'm sorry I offended you. There is no need to be insulting.

I am surprised however as I merely disagreed; neither ridiculing your opinions, nor disparaging your experience.

In any event, I feel comfortable you do not want any further exposition as to why I personally would not put Alcon brakes on any of my track cars over a number of other options.

Good luck swapping your calipers. Please post the specifics of your project if you complete it.
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