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Old 05-14-2012, 01:38 PM
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X5M vs. 5.0i Msport + MPerformance. Enthusiast's Impression.

Preface:

I have a 2013 X5 5.0i Xdrive with Msport, Mperformance, 19" M wheels, Soft close doors, No HUD, No AD. The car is black on black. I have added Black grills. I am Powdercoating the wheels tommorrow Matte Black, along with the current silver low-profile roof racks.

After driving both, I had instinctively wanted the X5M.

However, after some further analysis, there is no justification for having the X5M unless you either:

A. Have 'screw you' money
B. Need to beat Corvettes at a green light on the consistent.
or
C. Really Love the M sub brand (which I do)

The M sub-brand is akin, for me, to the pinnicle of forward thinking design. I am truly an 'M' guy. I bought a 2003 E39 M5 and to this day, I have regret for trading that car in. It was the finest automobile that I have ever owned or driven AND it was my last M car.

Why? Practicality, I guess. I drive a tremendous amount on the daily. All over S.FLA. The gas would murder me and so would the police eventually.

Comparing the 2 aforementioned SAV's, the X5 5.0 that I have is easily the better choice. Its performance is wicked. Anymore and its just plain stupid IMO.

My mistake was not ordering mine from S.Carolina () exactly the way I wanted it. Coming from a 2012 loaded 650i, the interior of the X5 is much more spartan. That was one thing the X5M had over the 5.0i. Just the gauges alone, are much more appealing. The seats are 'cooler' looking and the M button, adaptive drive, and HUD are all appealing...no doubt.

I should have ordered, nappa leather dash, AD, and HUD. I will not make this mistake again. I bought the car in haste (pressure from wife to get an SUV and play Daddy daycare).. and it bit me because I assumed that my deal was on par with all the other deals whihc I had gotten in the past. Flat deals of $500 over invoice.

To me, the way the 5.0i with the M performance package @ 440HP is PLENTY. The car handles like a dream and you sit like you're almost in an F10. The growl of the TTV8 when the turbos kick in is envigorating.

The Msport package is a must, IMO. The steering wheel alone, along with the Mwheels and body lines make this car look amazing.

THERE IS NO REAL NEED for the X5M after having this car for 1000 miles as a daily driver.

I will upload some initial picks very shortly.

One last thing. The shifting in sport mode in this vehicle are the same as any SAT. The throttle blips and changes gears lightning quick. Even though it does not say that it has the SAT and it certainly doesnt have the traditional SAT shift lever (shorter, fatter, not slanted), this vehicle is 100% SAT.

I love this car and will only say goodbye when the lease on my wife's 2011 F10 535i is up. Then she gets this and I order an F10 M5 from GERMANY exactly the way I want it.

Shout out to Quack, no hard feelings man. Take it easy on the newbies. I'm actually a very savvy car buyer, but we all know what happens when you buy on impulse and make asumptions. I look forward to learning alot here. I also look forward to sharing what little knowledge I come across and maye creating a few laughs in the process.

I will be honored to answer any questions you may have about the X5 5.0ixdrive.

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Old 05-14-2012, 03:19 PM
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Fantastic input to this thread, Drama Queen.

Why do you need a degree in Quantum mechanics to understand that after the first day I owned this particular vehicle...I was longing for the M version and now after driving at 1000 miles I no longer feel the same..because this car is the cat's meow.
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I don't understand why people need to be condescending and make rude remarks here with absolute no reasons. We all have a common interests BMW vehicles.. Lets be kinder and share each others experience and knowledge about our cars.

Not directed only at your M5canes but to people who seem to like to cause drama here on the boards.
I'm guilty myself so...
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I don't understand why people need to be condescending and make rude remarks here with absolute no reasons. We all have a common interests BMW vehicles.. Lets be kinder and share each others experience and knowledge about our cars.

Not directed only at your M5canes but to people who seem to like to cause drama here on the boards.
I'm guilty myself so...
I agree with you 100%! I was the one who was insulted first for no reason by quack and a few groupies. Now, dudes are acting like drama queens.

'Oh look! The OP just started a thread blah blah blah'!!!

My post in this thread deserves better than drama queen, pile humping garbage. I did not cast the first stone. People act as though having evolving impressions is inherently evil and requires mood stabilizers.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:44 PM
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Hi M5canes, thanks for posting your thoughts, I guess I am a little surprised, as I did not realize that you had decided to keep the 50 vs trading it for an X5M. They are both great vehicles so whatever your decision I am sure you will be happy with either.

I guess I had expected/hoped for a different response from you, perhaps detailing what it was about the initial experience of your current X5 that made you want to trade it for the X5M? It sounds as though it was simply the fact that its not a 'M'? (no offense intended)

As I mentioned in the other thread, prior to ordering my car, I test drove an 50 with the "Sports Activity Pkg, w/20"wheels" against an X5M, both in San Francisco, on local (surface) streets and on the freeway.

It goes without saying that I preferred the X5M over the 50, its probably not a fair apples/apples comparison, however I did note the following:

- (obviously) the M has a 155bhp-50ft/lbs advantage (somewhat narrowed by the M Performance pkg to 115 & 30lbs) resulting in a 0.8 0-62 time.

- the 8sp vs 6sp transmission; I felt that the 8sp was not as smooth at shifting than the M, especially at low speeds where there seems to be a "jerk" as the transmission engages with the 8 that is not as noticable as the 6sp

- suspension/handling, this is hard to compare, since the 50 did not have AD (although it did have 20" rims) and of course the M does... the 50 on the freeway was not nearly as planted at speed, and tended to "float" more across uneven surfaces, its not as confidence inspiring as the M, I hope Adaptive Drive narrows this gap

- interior: I really like the carbon/leather M interior, and the M gauge faces etc are pretty cool, apart from that its all much of a muchness (although I believe the 2013 will get the amazing M5 seats)

In the end, I could not justify to myself (or my bank account) the additional $14k+ premium between the 50 I specced and an M ... especially when I am going to put 4x dogs in it (2 in the back, and 2 in the back seat) and haul them to the dog park and back ... which seems a bit of a sacrilege (to me, probably not to my dogs)
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Great stuff, Larry. You pretty much nailed it with the M thing. I'm a performance junky but I also have become more practical. I think you're making a very good and wise choice in getting the 5.0.

I have not encountered any of the handling stuff or issues you discuss regarding the 5.0 at highway speeds and I'm on 19" wheels.

Also I have not encountered any of the more abrupt transmission observations you mention. The SAT that is matted to this eight speed automatic is sublime.

What I am anxious to have is.... the F10 M5 duel clutch transmission.

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Preface:

I have a 2013 X5 5.0i Xdrive with Msport, Mperformance, 19" M wheels, Soft close doors, No HUD, No AD. The car is black on black. I have added Black grills. I am Powdercoating the wheels tommorrow Matte Black, along with the current silver low-profile roof racks.

After driving both, I had instinctively wanted the X5M.

However, after some further analysis, there is no justification for having the X5M unless you either:

A. Have 'screw you' money
B. Need to beat Corvettes at a green light on the consistent.
or
C. Really Love the M sub brand (which I do)

The M sub-brand is akin, for me, to the pinnicle of forward thinking design. I am truly an 'M' guy. I bought a 2003 E39 M5 and to this day, I have regret for trading that car in. It was the finest automobile that I have ever owned or driven AND it was my last M car.

Why? Practicality, I guess. I drive a tremendous amount on the daily. All over S.FLA. The gas would murder me and so would the police eventually.

Comparing the 2 aforementioned SAV's, the X5 5.0 that I have is easily the better choice. Its performance is wicked. Anymore and its just plain stupid IMO.

My mistake was not ordering mine from S.Carolina () exactly the way I wanted it. Coming from a 2012 loaded 650i, the interior of the X5 is much more spartan. That was one thing the X5M had over the 5.0i. Just the gauges alone, are much more appealing. The seats are 'cooler' looking and the M button, adaptive drive, and HUD are all appealing...no doubt.

I should have ordered, nappa leather dash, AD, and HUD. I will not make this mistake again.

Having done 2x Euro Deliveries (and I would have done a 3rd had the X5 been available) I see no reason to ever take a car (like this) from dealer inventory, unless what they have is close to what you want, and they are willing to deal...

that's why I ordered my car from SC ...

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I bought the car in haste (pressure from wife to get an SUV and play Daddy daycare).. and it bit me because I assumed that my deal was on par with all the other deals whihc I had gotten in the past. Flat deals of $500 over invoice.

To me, the way the 5.0i with the M performance package @ 440HP is PLENTY. The car handles like a dream and you sit like you're almost in an F10. The growl of the TTV8 when the turbos kick in is envigorating.

The Msport package is a must, IMO. The steering wheel alone, along with the Mwheels and body lines make this car look amazing.
I agree! (although I prefer the 20" wheels on the Sports Activity pkg to those on the M Sport)

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THERE IS NO REAL NEED for the X5M after having this car for 1000 miles as a daily driver.

I will upload some initial picks very shortly.

One last thing. The shifting in sport mode in this vehicle are the same as any SAT. The throttle blips and changes gears lightning quick. Even though it does not say that it has the SAT and it certainly doesnt have the traditional SAT shift lever (shorter, fatter, not slanted), this vehicle is 100% SAT.

...

I will be honored to answer any questions you may have about the X5 5.0ixdrive.
I a pretty certain that this is not the same technology as is in the X5M, and is more than likely the "standard" 8sp STEPTRONIC, it could be however that in addition to the extra bhp& torque that the M Performance Pkg comes with, that the pkg also has changed some of the transmission programing.

Anyways, enjoy!

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Larry, I agree that the M-Performance package comes with a tweaked steptronic that essentially becomes the equivalent of an SAT.
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M5canes, do you have any specs from BMW that highlight the 'tweaked' transmission on the M performance package for the e70? All of the information I've seen describes the package as hp/torque teak, pedals and exhaust tips only.
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I'm a bit disappointed the ZMX package didn't get different wheels, it would have been nice to get the 435Ms like the M50d gets instead of it sticking with the normal M Sport wheel options. Can't wait to get ours, originally started the order process in January when our dealer had no production slots and added ZMX when it became available with the 2013 orders, car finally started production last thurs and should be finished this week.


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M5canes, do you have any specs from BMW that highlight the 'tweaked' transmission on the M performance package for the e70? All of the information I've seen describes the package as hp/torque teak, pedals and exhaust tips only.
I have not seen a single spec from BMW that describes this. I just sent a text to my sales guy. However I have had four vehicles now with the sport automatic transmission and this transmission shifts as fast as those. I would say that I have enough experience to make an astute observation in this regard.

Larry cable also agrees.
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I'm a bit disappointed the ZMX package didn't get different wheels, it would have been nice to get the 435Ms like the M50d gets instead of it sticking with the normal M Sport wheel options. Can't wait to get ours, originally started the order process in January when our dealer had no production slots and added ZMX when it became available with the 2013 orders, car finally started production last thurs and should be finished this week.


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Those wheels are sweet. I'm sticking with mine because it's a bit softer ride considering the long distances I drive. I'll post pictures of the matte black powdercoat on Wednesday.

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Here's my take, having had both:

Acceleration: Obviously a big advantage for the M over the stock 50i, which is narrowed considerably by the Dinan tune. It both adds a lot of hp and improves throttle response, making it feel more like the M in M mode.

Transmission: the 8-speed is much smoother than the 6-speed in general, not the other way around. The only problem is that the stock tuning on the 50i results in a pause in upshifts that leads to a go-pause-go-pause feels in acceleration. With the tune, shift speed is improved to equal the 6-speed, and is goes away. The M aggressively downshifts when slowing to a stop in sport mode, which is very jerky and annoying.

Handling: the M feels very buttoned down. AD helps but I chose not to get it on this one because I didn't think it was worth it. It does smooth out the ride a touch and make it more confidence inspiring, but doesn't change the actual handling limits. The same wheel/tire sizes make the difference. I can take 270 degree exit ramps at 60 mph in this just like I could in the M. The M was a bit better with quick transitions, but not much.

Interior: the carbon is nice, but the wood seems richer. Overall the interior on my current X5 is the nicest of any that I've had. I had the Nappa leather dash on the M and loved it...got it on this one and it makes a huge difference in interior feel/look. I had the HUD but found it annoying and distracting. I got to the point that I was looking over it to avoid it. I didn't get it again. I had the technology package but also didn't get that again. The only thing I liked about it was the automatic high beams. Unfortunately that wasn't available as a stand alone option or I would have gotten them. The side view cameras were useless to me plus they look odd the way they stand out on the bumper.

Exterior: I don't like the X6 headlights and other styling cues, and I don't like the M wheels. I like the aggressive front airdam on the M, but otherwise prefer the looks and wheels of the 50i M-sport.

Gas mileage: So much difference here it's almost crazy. I used to get around 200-225 miles/tank on the M, but sometimes got less than 200 miles per tank and was filling up every other day. I have averaged 350 miles per tank on the 50i and on my last tank with the 50i after getting the Dinan chip, I got 420 miles. The 8-speed transmission makes a huge difference, 50-100% improvement.

In the end, the M is a lot of fun and has great performance but has some serious drawbacks. If I had a short daily commute I'd be happy with the M, but the 50i is much better for longer drives and commutes, IMO.
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I have not seen a single spec from BMW that describes this. I just sent a text to my sales guy. However I have had four vehicles now with the sport automatic transmission and this transmission shifts as fast as those. I would say that I have enough experience to make an astute observation in this regard.

Larry cable also agrees.
I'm actually guessing/suggesting a possible "cause" for the behavior you are describing... I have no evidence to suggest that such reprogramming occurs as part of the M Performance Pkg.

btw what do you mean by "Sports Automatic Transmission" as opposed to the STEPTRONIC 8speed?

Frankly I hate all the BMW STEPTRONICS transmissions as they "love" to short shift between 2000-2500rpm ...

its more like being the captain of a super-tanker, using the engine telegraphs to order up more rpms than a performance vehicle...

this I believe is a "spy shot" from the 2014 X5 ...



If it wasn't for the steering wheel paddle shifters I wouldn't even buy an X5 ... M or otherwise! the X5 is a compromise for me because BMW NA decided not to import the F11 550i wagon (6sp manual pls) or the M550d for that matter ...
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Here's my take, having had both:

Acceleration: Obviously a big advantage for the M over the stock 50i, which is narrowed considerably by the Dinan tune. It both adds a lot of hp and improves throttle response, making it feel more like the M in M mode.

Transmission: the 8-speed is much smoother than the 6-speed in general, not the other way around. The only problem is that the stock tuning on the 50i results in a pause in upshifts that leads to a go-pause-go-pause feels in acceleration. With the tune, shift speed is improved to equal the 6-speed, and is goes away. The M aggressively downshifts when slowing to a stop in sport mode, which is very jerky and annoying.

Handling: the M feels very buttoned down. AD helps but I chose not to get it on this one because I didn't think it was worth it. It does smooth out the ride a touch and make it more confidence inspiring, but doesn't change the actual handling limits. The same wheel/tire sizes make the difference. I can take 270 degree exit ramps at 60 mph in this just like I could in the M. The M was a bit better with quick transitions, but not much.

Interior: the carbon is nice, but the wood seems richer. Overall the interior on my current X5 is the nicest of any that I've had. I had the Nappa leather dash on the M and loved it...got it on this one and it makes a huge difference in interior feel/look. I had the HUD but found it annoying and distracting. I got to the point that I was looking over it to avoid it. I didn't get it again. I had the technology package but also didn't get that again. The only thing I liked about it was the automatic high beams. Unfortunately that wasn't available as a stand alone option or I would have gotten them. The side view cameras were useless to me plus they look odd the way they stand out on the bumper.

Exterior: I don't like the X6 headlights and other styling cues, and I don't like the M wheels. I like the aggressive front airdam on the M, but otherwise prefer the looks and wheels of the 50i M-sport.

Gas mileage: So much difference here it's almost crazy. I used to get around 200-225 miles/tank on the M, but sometimes got less than 200 miles per tank and was filling up every other day. I have averaged 350 miles per tank on the 50i and on my last tank with the 50i after getting the Dinan chip, I got 420 miles. The 8-speed transmission makes a huge difference, 50-100% improvement.

In the end, the M is a lot of fun and has great performance but has some serious drawbacks. If I had a short daily commute I'd be happy with the M, but the 50i is much better for longer drives and commutes, IMO.
Great review. Interesting feedback on AD and its impact on the handling limits. I've been really impressed with AD though I've never had the chance to do head-to-head comparisons of vehicles w vs w/o AD and w vs w/o fat tires. I've driven all of the above at separate times but not back-to-back and not on a track.
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You've never driven a BMW with an SAT? You haven't lived!!
I think we may have a terminology problem here, can you give an example (other than the X5M) that has SAT, or are you simply referring to the STEPTRONIC auto that haunts pretty much every auto BMW with the exception of some of the M's with DCT style?

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I'm only commenting on my 5 series as it may be different with other models.

SAT = sports automatic transmission.
I ordered this option $500 on My 2010 535i as a stand alone option. SAT is/was not included when ordering the sports package. SAT transmission cane with a sport shifter and a sport button that on a press would tighten up the steering and made shifts very aggressive. Really fast! It transformed my 535i to almost racecar feel. There is a good write up explaining this feature in the 5 series forum. With that said my X5 35i shifts are not par to SAT shifts even in sport / DS mode. I miss SAT.
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So basically SAT is just a programming option (and 'sport' button and shift paddles), with the core transmission being the same?
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I'm only commenting on my 5 series as it may be different with other models.

SAT = sports automatic transmission.
I ordered this option $500 on My 2010 535i as a stand alone option. SAT is/was not included when ordering the sports package. SAT transmission cane with a sport shifter and a sport button that on a press would tighten up the steering and made shifts very aggressive. Really fast! It transformed my 535i to almost racecar feel. There is a good write up explaining this feature in the 5 series forum. With that said my X5 35i shifts are not par to SAT shifts even in sport / DS mode. I miss SAT.
Thanks, you jogged my memory, I forgot about that option, we have that on our F10 550i ...

I could imagine that it would come with the M-Sport pkg & the paddle shifters as well as adaptive drive (at least on the F10)
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So basically SAT is just a programming option (and 'sport' button and shift paddles), with the core transmission being the same?
yep ... on the F10 it is integrated into the "adaptive drive" configuration
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yep ... on the F10 it is integrated into the "adaptive drive" configuration
Just as an aside, the sport automatic transmission also came on my 2008 550i as well as my 2010 550i. Those cars did not have the adaptive drive on them so it does not necessarily mean that you require adaptive drive to have the benefits of the sport automatic transmission or to even have it all.

M sport package on the F10 automatically brings the sport automatic transmission. What I don't know for sure is if the M sport package also brings the adaptive drive feature as standard in the package.
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