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Old 06-24-2004, 08:00 AM
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The picture shows a brand new replacement trunkfloor assembly, courtesy of BMWNA....
I missed the history on this. Assuming your car is out of warranty, what did it take for BMW to cover this repair?
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Old 06-24-2004, 08:24 AM
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I missed the history on this. Assuming your car is out of warranty, what did it take for BMW to cover this repair?
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Got the word yesterday (4/27/2004) that BMWNA approved the trunk floor replacement on both cars.

Parts have been ordered, when they come in I'll grab some pictures before the work starts.

If they don't bar the doors, I'll take more pictures as the work progresses.

Now that the weather is getting nice again, what better time to take the car(s) off the road...?

Black car is first in line!
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Old 06-24-2004, 09:05 AM
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I missed the history on this. Assuming your car is out of warranty, what did it take for BMW to cover this repair?
Al,

A little sidenote about how this all came to be...

I first noticed the problem of the floor (in the gray car) after Yianni posted a picture of his Coupe with what looked like an 1-1/2" gap in his trunkfloor. Most of us were already aware of the differential mount cracking, and I monitored it regularly. When the trunkfloor issue surfaced, I was taken by surspise! I checked both cars and found the earliest signs of separation (any less damage and I wouldn't have seen it at all).

I showed the gray car to the service advisor at my dealership and said he'd have to call in the area rep. In the meantime, I took a good look at the black car too and found it was slightly worse than the gray one. When the area rep came to town we showed up with both cars. The rep spent about an hour on each car, taking pictures and conferring with the bodyshop manager. Eventually, the work was approved by BMWNA.

There was no mention of warranty, or lack of, on the black car (a 1999 model).

Here's the "discovery" thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55752
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What did you guys use to remove the insulation stuff glued to the floor of the trunk/rear hatch area? I've got a few light splits in my insulation, but don't want to tear it all to hell trying to determine if I've got the floor separation problem.

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Old 06-24-2004, 01:35 PM
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Dwayne, my 'dynamat' has splits too at 13K miles. Probably not a structural problem, but I'd like to remove my dynamat too. Ron posted something about applying heat and using putty knife to remove. I think DannO did same thing for the BumbleBee.
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Old 06-24-2004, 01:38 PM
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What did you guys use to remove the insulation stuff glued to the floor of the trunk/rear hatch area? I've got a few light splits in my insulation, but don't want to tear it all to hell trying to determine if I've got the floor separation problem.

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Dwayne,

I believe DannO suggested the best approach; using a heat gun and putty knife or scraper. Follow up with some solvent to remove the remaining residue.

A similar material (though thicker) was used on the floors of MGBs. In really cold weather, you could just smack it with a hammer and it would come up in fairly large pieces. I've heard of others using dry ice to accomplish the same thing (not tried that myself).
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I've heard of others using dry ice to accomplish the same thing (not tried that myself).
I used dry ice and a wood chiesel to get it out of the Miata. I spread the dry ice over the gunk, chipped the ice into small bits, then chipped the stuff off with the ice still mixed in and dropped it into a bag. Worked like a charm. For the bits of gummy residue left after that, I used a caustic paint prep (doesn't harm paint, but will harm everything else - got it at Schuck's) and a shop rag.
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What did you guys use to remove the insulation stuff glued to the floor of the trunk/rear hatch area? I've got a few light splits in my insulation, but don't want to tear it all to hell trying to determine if I've got the floor separation problem.

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My plan is to use the Rogue dual ear diff cover with additional bracing above and below.
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Dwayne,

I believe DannO suggested the best approach; using a heat gun and putty knife or scraper. Follow up with some solvent to remove the remaining residue.

A similar material (though thicker) was used on the floors of MGBs. In really cold weather, you could just smack it with a hammer and it would come up in fairly large pieces. I've heard of others using dry ice to accomplish the same thing (not tried that myself).
BMW recommends heat but cautions on the temp.

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Old 06-25-2004, 07:33 AM
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Al,

A little sidenote about how this all came to be...

I first noticed the problem of the floor (in the gray car) after Yianni posted a picture of his Coupe with what looked like an 1-1/2" gap in his trunkfloor. Most of us were already aware of the differential mount cracking, and I monitored it regularly. When the trunkfloor issue surfaced, I was taken by surspise! I checked both cars and found the earliest signs of separation (any less damage and I wouldn't have seen it at all).

I showed the gray car to the service advisor at my dealership and said he'd have to call in the area rep. In the meantime, I took a good look at the black car too and found it was slightly worse than the gray one. When the area rep came to town we showed up with both cars. The rep spent about an hour on each car, taking pictures and conferring with the bodyshop manager. Eventually, the work was approved by BMWNA.

There was no mention of warranty, or lack of, on the black car (a 1999 model).

Here's the "discovery" thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55752
Randy, thanks. It's all enough to keep me from considering a Z3. I only hope this doesn't extend to the 3 series or Z4?

I'm guessing that not all others will find as willing a dealer. I hope I'm wrong or this will prove to be a mess for Z3 owners.
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I think the bushings will go a long way to helping this issue...
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The dry ice and hammer method is best suited for older cars where the tar crap has hardened. Even the oldest z3s should be best suited for the heat and scrape approach. Note Ron's word of warning, above.
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Randy, thanks. It's all enough to keep me from considering a Z3. I only hope this doesn't extend to the 3 series or Z4?

I'm guessing that not all others will find as willing a dealer. I hope I'm wrong or this will prove to be a mess for Z3 owners.
Who knows. The E36 line has rear subframe and sway bar mount problems. The E46 line (and Z4) have a new rer suspesnion design. Maybe they got it right, maybe they didn't.

Cars have various problems. Nobody is SURE yet what causes this problem, and while there seem to be a lot of cars with te problem, it isn't that many in the scheme of things.

And once BMW NA makes a decision to cover these repairs, normally all get covered. It takes a while for them to get on board, but they typically do.
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There won't be too many more postings...

...as the black car is almost done.

I stopped by this morning just to see how things were going (donuts in hand) and grabbed only a couple of pictures.

The Ireland bushings (as well as the entire subframe) are now installed. And most of the trunk has been put back together.

I guess the biggest treat was seeing the tech's own BMW for the first time. It's a 318, but look for the styling cues...
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[QUOTE=Randy Forbes]...as the black car is almost done.

I stopped by this morning just to see how things were going (donuts in hand) and grabbed only a couple of pictures.

The Ireland bushings (as well as the entire subframe) are now installed. And most of the trunk has been put back together.

[QUOTE]

Randy, is the bushing pixs from your car or his 318?
If so, did you go 1/2 & 1/2?
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Randy, is the bushing pixs from your car or his 318?
If so, did you go 1/2 & 1/2?
Bushings are on my car. Green and orange was just to get something in my hand. The subframe was off (at the dealer's bodyshop) and the lack of bushings was holding up the job.

Ireland put the 1/2 & 1/2's together as a favor (no green uppers on hand).

I should also add a comment about the tech's car; it is still a work in progress.
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Bushings are on my car. Green and orange was just to get something in my hand. The subframe was off (at the dealer's bodyshop) and the lack of bushings was holding up the job.

Ireland put the 1/2 & 1/2's together as a favor (no green uppers on hand).
Will you be changing them to both green or both orange or neither?
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Will you be changing them to both green or both orange or neither?
Answer #3.

Changing the bottom to orange (at some later date) wouldn't be too much trouble, but the upper bushings would have to fail before I would drop the subframe to change them to green.

Will see how the gray car feels (once repaired) compared to the black one and evaluate the difference in feel. The gray car should get all green bushings.
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The End...

Sue & I picked up the 99 today at lunchtime. So far, I haven't driven it, but Sue claims that it feels good in the corners. I'm sure that is a result of the Ireland bushes.

I'll have to trim a few of the trunk pieces (tool tray, jack tray and battery cable guard) to make for a nice fit around the girder, and I'll give it a once over from above and below. But for now, I'm very happy about the outcome.

Only time will tell if this was (one of) the right solution.

I'll try to get some pictures up of the finished job, but I think I should get (what's left of) the snowtires off first

The tech that did the work is going on vacation soon, so the gray car may not go in until he comes back. I'll talk to him next week to discuss the details. The HC deadline looms large...
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