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Old 05-25-2012, 11:32 AM
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Z3 a bit of traction control with traction control off?

2001 z3 3.0 5 spd man. tried doing a search but couldnt find anything. love the car but i wanna enjoy it even more. im a teenager so i do typical stupid things other teens would do. but even with traction control off, i still cant "skid/drift". with t/c off, its still like the traction is being controled. for example, i tried turning hard off turns to make the wheels spin, but i cant. and no its not my driving lol. i know its dumb, but with this going on, you cant do donuts or burnouts (i probably wouldnt do it anyway, im just saying how restricted it is even with t/c off) so in other words, i wanna enjoy it as much as i can with the 6. with the t/c off in the 6, i have no trouble spinning my tires.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:08 PM
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With DSC turned off I have had no trouble at all getting completely sideways and powering through the drift while turning from a dead stop. Same car, '01 3.0...

With that being said, don't drive like that. The DSC will save your a$$. I started with MG roadsters in 1977, and I am completely comfortable driving a tail-happy car and controlling its direction and angle with throttle inputs. If you want to keep your car I would recommend leaving the DSC ON.

The stability control on these cars is very capable and non-intrusive. I haven't driven mine at 10 10ths, but at 8-9 10ths the DSC has been very workable. It has never killed the power output, just braked as needed to prevent getting out of control. The ONLY time I have experienced the electronics cutting power has been when I have bounced off the redline hard.

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Old 05-25-2012, 02:23 PM
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With DSC turned off I have had no trouble at all getting completely sideways and powering through the drift while turning from a dead stop. Same car, '01 3.0...

With that being said, don't drive like that. The DSC will save your a$$. I started with MG roadsters in 1977, and I am completely comfortable driving a tail-happy car and controlling its direction and angle with throttle inputs. If you want to keep your car I would recommend leaving the DSC ON.

The stability control on these cars is very capable and non-intrusive. I haven't driven mine at 10 10ths, but at 8-9 10ths the DSC has been very workable. It has never killed the power output, just braked as needed to prevent getting out of control. The ONLY time I have experienced the electronics cutting power has been when I have bounced off the redline hard.
Its true I shouldnt drive like that but I'm still confused as to why I still can't get sideways. Like my 6, theres two levels of dsc. Ones like half off and the others completely off. Would that be the case for the z3?

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Don't forget that you also have a limited-slip differential. That helps to keep the back under control as well.
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True but I wanna know why dkindig (above) can go sideways but I cant if we pretty much have the same exact car.

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True but I wanna know why dkindig (above) can go sideways but I cant if we pretty much have the same exact car.

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http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54522

All the info you need is in that post. The real determining factor is the manufacture date of your car. My car has the Teves Mk 20 system, therefore is only capable of on and off via a quick press of the button, or being sent into error mode (essentially off) with a long press greater than 10 sec.

The other thing is that you might have it switched off but you're not pushing the car hard enough to break it loose. If the DSC is still on, you should see the warning light flash when it's doing its thing.

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I figured it out guys. Just like my 6, I just have to hold the t/c button and its completely off. Thought I tried this before but I guess not. Thanks for the replies!

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Lmao! No I'll be fine haha

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Bern seeing that you are a teenager... drifting comes with experience. You also have to power into the turn not just turn with throttle. if you want the back end to go out you have to yank the wheel the way your turning with a lot of throttle then control the slide by turning back the other way. You need to practice away from traffic or not at all.
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Also these older z3s are prone for the rear subframe to break from driving like that.
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Also these older z3s are prone for the rear subframe to break from driving like that.
true benjamin. im careful with my driving. yes, every teenager says they are a good driver, but im sure im mature and good enough to say that i am. but what do u mean its prone for the subfrrame to break?
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Also these older z3s are prone for the rear subframe to break from driving like that.
also i didnt really mean to say that i wanted to drift. all i would like to do it get sideways
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http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...r/IMG_0640.jpg


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If you don't power out of the corners smoothly these is most likely what will happen and is a very difficult fix, trust me a lot of welding and bloody knuckles!
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true benjamin. im careful with my driving. yes, every teenager says they are a good driver, but im sure im mature and good enough to say that i am. but what do u mean its prone for the subfrrame to break?
I teach high performance driving at a track. I hear that all the time from young drivers and even older and old drivers.

It is RARELY true. Until you spend some time getting some serious driver training and/or do something like autocross to learn how to drive consistantly at the limit, you are NOT that good of a driver.
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I teach high performance driving at a track. I hear that all the time from young drivers and even older and old drivers.

It is RARELY true. Until you spend some time getting some serious driver training and/or do something like autocross to learn how to drive consistantly at the limit, you are NOT that good of a driver.
Ill take ur word. im done driving like that for awhie yesterdya. Just got a ticket so ill use that as a lesson lol

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Bern, make sure you review those links for the subframe failure issues. I do not drive that agressively so I don't necessarily have concerns. When I do drive 'spiritedly' I leave the traction control active to, as another poster indicated, save my backside. I got the tail out once without much effort. This vehicle cost too much for me to treat as a disposable posession.
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Bern, make sure you review those links for the subframe failure issues. I do not drive that agressively so I don't necessarily have concerns. When I do drive 'spiritedly' I leave the traction control active to, as another poster indicated, save my backside. I got the tail out once without much effort. This vehicle cost too much for me to treat as a disposable posession.
Yahhh that's very true. But my ticket from last night will prevent me from driving sfupid for now anyway. Thanks

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AFAIK there is no evidence that spirited driving has anything to do with rear trank floor failures. Same for engien size, some 1.9L cars have had the problem.
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true benjamin. im careful with my driving. yes, every teenager says they are a good driver, but im sure im mature and good enough to say that i am. but what do u mean its prone for the subfrrame to break?
Z3 Series trunkfloor/differential mount failure. Here's a few pictures of a car I'm working on right now...























I'm off to a slow start on repairing this car, as I just moved (4/27/2012) and I'm still unpacking and trying to get organized at the same time. Today, I've been doing a bunch of secondary operations trying to get some trunkfloor/differential mount reinforcement packages ready to ship out.

This is what will repair this car and prevent it from happening again.



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1.doesnt look easy
2.doesnt look cheap
3.something a teenager like me doesnt wanna deal with
4.lets not touch that t/c button haha

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1.doesnt look easy
2.doesnt look cheap
3.something a teenager like me doesnt wanna deal with
4.lets not touch that t/c button haha

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I'm glad you agree Randy! Took two weeks to fix mine (like 2 hours a day)
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