Prius Driver Has a Meltdown...

Originally Posted by Mark K

you do NOT have

- a right to clean air
- a right to silence when you desire it

What you DO have a right to do is to f*ck off and go where it suits you until you grow up and learn to live and let live.

Whatever the founders may or may not have said, it's pretty widely accepted policy in the US of A that if one were to start running a skilsaw in their backyard at 2 am, in a residential neighborhood, ripping multiple sheets of plywood, one would soon be visited by constables instructing them in no uncertain terms to cease and desist.

Similarly, I would be barred from running my industrial epoxy manufactuing business in my garage in a residential neighborhood. The fumes are what you call noxious.

Thinking you can idle your diesel as long as you please in a parking lot is sorta arrogant IMHO. Sorry.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Li'l bit o' extra wear and tear on the diesel to have to restart it? Stop, you're breaking my heart.

Folks who havent met a diesel-engined repair bill (truck diesel, not 335d diesel) cant understand why we try to keep the truck in the best condition possible; diesel repairs are much costlier than the equal service on a gasoline vehicle. Not to mention the tax on the batteries starting a diesel causes. Looks like the truck in the video is a Ford, so it probably has glowplugs. Glowplugs draw easily 100 amps, before cranking, usually for a good 3-10 seconds. And with replacement batteries going for 130-150 per battery, I'd rather just idle away .10 cents of fuel then wear on the engine, batteries and starter.


I like roosters idea, why doesnt she just move. If it were me, I would have smoked the whole damn place out. Then, when she calls the cops and says I smoked her out, I would have said my wastegate malfuntioned

There aren't going to be that many instances when you're parked somewhere that it might make a difference to someone. A parking meter on a busy street? Just lock the doors and leave it running. A mini mart wouldn't be an problem.

FWIW, I too have had encounters with obnoxious Prius drivers. Recently a lady way jumped her turn on the 4 way stop que. Tiny thing, but it was annoying. I'm no dawdler, I can spot when people are too timid to take their turn, and I'll take it if they won't. But this lady pumped the brakes and kept going, at about the same moment that I ventured out, as it was my right of way, clearly. She shot me a dirty look and holy crap, I wanted to get in her face armed with a video of the encounter to show her.

All I'm saying, if she asked them politley if they could turn it off and they blew her off, they're putting the sanctity of their diesel engine ahead of their neighbors. One cycle of off and on couldn't cost that much in the scheme of things. I own a Grumman step van with a GM 6.2 diesel FWIW.

With this, the Prius b!tch's action is justified.

Originally Posted by Griffoun

With this, the Prius b!tch's action is justified.

Amazing.
I finally agree with Mac about something 100%.

Two of the most smug, arrogant drivers on the road; Prius and diesel P/U drivers. The dude should dump his wife and hook up with the Prius driver. These two are made for each other.

I bet a dime that P/U bed is empty....

^ I'm with dude. It would be about impossible to accurately calculate how much every starting of that diesel would cost but I gave it a shot. Let's say 2 batteries, $150 apiece (I just got two for my Grumman, $100 apiece at Costco) were to last 6 years, one start per day average. That would be 14 cents per start. Let's say the starter were to last 10 years, not sure what those cost but I'll go with $300. That's be 8 cents per start. Let's round it up to 30 cents total per start. Oh golly.

I'd like to have seen the video of her asking them to shut it off at the git go. If she had been reasonable and they smirked and ignored her, would give a little balance to her subsequent record breaking obnoxiousness.

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

Amazing.
I finally agree with Mac about something 100%.

Two of the most smug, arrogant drivers on the road; Prius and diesel P/U drivers. The dude should dump his wife and hook up with the Prius driver. These two are made for each other.

I bet a dime that P/U bed is empty....

What a ridiculous comment, everyone knows it's only the guys driving Ford diesel P/U's.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

^ I'm with dude. It would be about impossible to accurately calculate how much every starting of that diesel would cost but I gave it a shot. Let's say 2 batteries, $150 apiece (I just got two for my Grumman, $100 apiece at Costco) were to last 6 years, one start per day average. That would be 14 cents per start. Let's say the starter were to last 10 years, not sure what those cost but I'll go with $300. That's be 8 cents per start. Let's round it up to 30 cents total per start. Oh golly.

I'd like to have seen the video of her asking them to shut it off at the git go. If she had been reasonable and they smirked and ignored her, would give a little balance to her subsequent record breaking obnoxiousness.

I would have told her to FO and mind her own business. Not worth the aggravation.

Originally Posted by FIA

I would have told her to FO and mind her own business. Not worth the aggravation.

That would be the arrogant response. Sort of "nothing I could possibly do would be incorrect or need to be modified in any way." How about just turn the damn thing off cuz it's not worth the aggravation?

Backing up, I can hardly believe the arrogance of the p/u couple. Best I can tell, she asked them to turn it off and they smirked at her. Their preference that their child have air conditioned air supersedes the other ladies right to find reasonably un-polluted air for her and her child.

The belief that me and my rig, or me and my stereo, or me and my gun have sovereign right to do as we please is widespread in our land. And ANYONE who would question my behavior is a wanker/ass/bitch, etc.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Whatever the founders may or may not have said, it's pretty widely accepted policy in the US of A that if one were to start running a skilsaw in their backyard at 2 am, in a residential neighborhood, ripping multiple sheets of plywood, one would soon be visited by constables instructing them in no uncertain terms to cease and desist.

Similarly, I would be barred from running my industrial epoxy manufactuing business in my garage in a residential neighborhood. The fumes are what you call noxious.

Neither of the scenarios is probable in the society populated by adults. However, in this society populated by GOTTARIGHT! children you are, unfortunately, completely correct to assume somebody will do two things above unless restricted by law.



From your following post:

All I'm saying, if she asked them politley if they could turn it off ...

Bingo! That's what adults do. But neither of them was an adult as seen in the video. She wasn't for obvious reasons, he wasn't because in his situation I would have parked away from other cars and not assume that I GOTTARIGHT! to idle my engine anywhere just because there's no law against it.

Footnote: I believe that the adjective "inalienable" rights isn't there by coincidence. I believe it strongly suggests that you can have a "right" to something only if it doesn't alienate other rights from other people. Your right to free speech doesn't require anything from anybody else nor does it limit any of the rights those people have.

Laws, on the other hand, are free to discriminate and crush any minority for any reason (minority means just that, numbering less units than a majority) they don't like or approve of. That's why it is very important not to confuse them with "rights".

The behavior of the woman strongly suggests that she is doing the second approach at the beginning of the vid. I suspect she came over once, almost certainly less agitated, they blew her off, then got out the cell camera when it looked like there was a show to be had.

Sound is hard to get away from. Our land is increasingly noisy. A loud neighbor's stereo until the wee hours can really ruin your day when you need to get up semi early in the morning.

I often work 40 miles away from my place. I hate it, and wish I could get all my clients from within 5 miles, but doesn't seem to work that way. Sometimes I'm driving home and feel a little too sleepy on the freeway, so I exit, find a parking lot, recline the seat, pull my cap over my eyes, and do the power nap. If someone came up about as close as these two, and kept the engine idling w/o indication it was going to stop, I'd be seriously annoyed. I'd either move or get in their face, depending on the day and the mood.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

That would be the arrogant response. Sort of "nothing I could possibly do would be incorrect or need to be modified in any way." How about just turn the damn thing off cuz it's not worth the aggravation?

Backing up, I can hardly believe the arrogance of the p/u couple. Best I can tell, she asked them to turn it off and they smirked at her. Their preference that their child have air conditioned air supersedes the other ladies right to find reasonably un-polluted air for her and her child.

The belief that me and my rig, or me and my stereo, or me and my gun have sovereign right to do as we please is widespread in our land. And ANYONE who would question my behavior is a wanker/ass/bitch, etc.

Funny because I hate arrogant people. If she wasn't going to show proper respect for me I sure as hell wouldn't show respect to her. Has nothing to do with arrogance.

The lady obviously had some beef with the truck driver, whether it was getting to a parking spot sooner than her or some perceived disrespect at running the engine I doubt she politely asked him to shut the engine off.

In fact, watch the video again. Clearly she comes walking up to the truck from some distance bitching, not like she asked him politely and he said FO. She was definitely the aggressor. Notice the truck is a chevy/gmc. Those are extremely quiet and have low emissions. With LSD and huge catalytic converters those trucks don't stink at all like diesel.

Originally Posted by Mark K

Neither of the scenarios is probable in the society populated by adults. However, in this society populated by GOTTARIGHT! children you are, unfortunately, completely correct to assume somebody will do two things above unless restricted by law.



From your following post:



Bingo! That's what adults do. But neither of them was an adult as seen in the video. She wasn't for obvious reasons, he wasn't because in his situation I would have parked away from other cars and not assume that I GOTTARIGHT! to idle my engine anywhere just because there's no law against it.

Footnote: I believe that the adjective "inalienable" rights isn't there by coincidence. I believe it strongly suggests that you can have a "right" to something only if it doesn't alienate other rights from other people. Your right to free speech doesn't require anything from anybody else nor does it limit any of the rights those people have.

Laws, on the other hand, are free to discriminate and crush any minority for any reason (minority means just that, numbering less units than a majority) they don't like or approve of. That's why it is very important not to confuse them with "rights".

I guess you missed the part where the pickup truck driver had some consideration for the circumstance and backed his truck up in an attempt to mitigate the noise and exhaust fumes.

It's called compromise.

Originally Posted by FIA

Funny because I hate arrogant people. If she wasn't going to show proper respect for me I sure as hell wouldn't show respect to her. Has nothing to do with arrogance.

The lady obviously had some beef with the truck driver, whether it was getting to a parking spot sooner than her or some perceived disrespect at running the engine I doubt she politely asked him to shut the engine off.

In fact, watch the video again. Clearly she comes walking up to the truck from some distance bitching, not like she asked him politely and he said FO. She was definitely the aggressor. Notice the truck is a chevy/gmc. Those are extremely quiet and have low emissions. With LSD and huge catalytic converters those trucks don't stink at all like diesel.

Quiet. Uh-huh. Any diesel is going to make a small racket at idle.

Unless that guy is some kind of quick draw artist with his cell video cam, that was not the first part of the exchange. Her body language strongly suggests to me that the beginning shot was part of a continuing beef, maybe one minute into it.

The lady was way obnoxious, no question. But I'm not sure she was a complete lunatic.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Quiet. Uh-huh. Any diesel is going to make a small racket at idle.

Unless that guy is some kind of quick draw artist with his cell video cam, that was not the first part of the exchange. Her body language strongly suggests to me that the beginning shot was part of a continuing beef, maybe one minute into it.

The lady was way obnoxious, no question. But I'm not sure she was a complete lunatic.

Perhaps, but the lady was in the grey prius not the white one. He had been sitting next to her grey car but in an attempt to compromise had backed up next to the white car.

From my cold dead fingers will they pry the key to my diesel PU and turn off my magnificent engine.

Not everyone wants to wipe their ass with a hand full of grass. The Prius owner and Ted Kaczynski would mike a fine couple.

Hoo-kay.

The Prius lady doesn't look like she's holding a lot of high cards. It's clear to me that they treated her like an idiot from the git-go. "Ask me to shut off my engine, will she, the fat ugly b!tch."

Yeah, turn the GDed thing off wanker boy. Napoleon on his throne.

The same argument/case can be made for the Harley riding weekend warriors that remove the baffles from their exhaust in some sort of expression of power.
I've already ranted about that before, but these guys are at the top of the arrogant a-whole heap.

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

The same argument/case can be made for the Harley riding weekend warriors that remove the baffles from their exhaust in some sort of expression of power.
I've already ranted about that before, but these guys are at the top of the arrogant a-whole heap.

There is now a company building an electric motorcycle.
~100 mile range, dead silent.
Take one out for a few rides in any typical american city.
After the third or forth time some self absorbed moron on a cell phone in a SUV tries to make you one with the guard rail, you'll start wishing for loud exhaust pipes.
For the idiots that can't see while turning left, either extra lights (I'm running 2ea 50 watt running lights) or that black box that modulates the high beam/low beam.

I think the US needs to go to a tiered driving license system, starting with a year on a 250cc or less motorcycle, then and only then will you earn the right to drive something that weighs more than 500lbs. Being on a small bike makes you very very aware of your surroundings, lessons some drivers have never learned.

There is the normal, throaty Harley sound. I can see the safety factor in that. And then there is the stuff that will rattle your liver. There's a strain in America (elsewhere as well no doubt) where people identify their personal power with the level of volume they exude. Witness the fools with their boom cars vibrating so hard they loosen head bolts. A few weeks ago my fuse went terminally short. I was gassing up and some guy had his boomer going the whole time he was gassing up. I glared at him, he glared back, so I holler the obvious "YOUR RADIO IS TOO GDed LOUD."

As you can imagine, he was very apologetic and immediately turned it off.

Harley's wouldn't be so bad if they didn't sound like my old Briggs and Stratton lawn mower with the muffler rusted off.

I got to ride a electric enduro (cant remember the make) at Barber raceway. Very strange sensation and dangerous. You wouldnt belive how many pedestrians allmost got hit because your use to hearing a bike coming at you.

Fully agree with people equating loud exhaust to hp. Around here its Dodge Rams with big pipes. I love hearing a huge roar from then and they pull away abour as fast as my old Accord.

Sent from my thumb to your eyes

Originally Posted by FIA

Harley's wouldn't be so bad if they didn't sound like my old Briggs and Stratton lawn mower with the muffler rusted off.

Try riding a Ducati 916, dry clutch which rattles (no it's not broke, it's designed to sound that way), desmo valve train adds it's whirl, huge airbox which roars (louder than exhaust from 5 to 8k), carbon fiber cans with a little fiberglass in them to deaden some of the exhaust impulses.
Glorious simply glorious.