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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 07-25-2014, 04:53 AM
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X5 Potential Purchase

We've decided to trade in our pickup and sell our E39 towards a 2011 X5 5.0i. We found one locally we really like, but I'm trying to sort the options listed. IE, what was part of a package vs individual options.

My question is - he lists Sport Package, but then a series of what look like individual options. I have a list of the option/packages for the 2011 X5, but wanted to see if I could sort out what are packages vs individual options based on the list he provided below.

This is how he has the options listed:
- Sport Package
- Active Cruise Control
- Soft Close Doors
- Navigation
- Rearview Camera
- Side View Camera
- Head Up Display
- Lane Departure Warning
- Comfort Access
- Park Distance Control
- Power Tailgate
- Running Boards
- Panoramic Moonroof
- Self Leveling Suspension
- Xenon Headlights
- Rear Sunshades
- Multi-Contour Seats
- Real Time Traffic Info
- Heated Multi-Function Steering Wheel
- Heated Front & Rear Seats
- Additional 12V Power Sockets
- Auto Dimming Exterior Mirror
- Interior Mirror With Compass
- Universal Garage Door Opener
- Rain Sensor And Auto Headlights
- Tire Pressure Monitor
- In Dash CD Player
- Dual Climate Controls
- Rear Folding Seats

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Old 07-25-2014, 10:30 AM
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Post the VIN ... we'll tell you what's on the car from the factory.
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:33 AM
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Here is a link to the 2011 sales brochure. Equipment and package eye chart starts on page 58. BMW mixes things up every year, so this should be a good source to determine which of your equipment items were bundled in what package.

http://www.2011bmwx5.com/wp-content/...or-sale-nj.pdf
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:42 PM
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Thanks for the brochure - I'll take a look.

Vin: 5UXZV8C5XBLL67535
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:22 PM
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See attached PDF.
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:34 AM
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Ok - just found out this is a BMW *****back, with a $22,000 repair figure... run, walk away, or hang in there and get more info from the dealer?

Recommendations on what to probe the dealer with?

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Old 07-26-2014, 08:26 AM
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This car sounds problematic ... keep looking. Lot's of choices out there.

How 'bout a diesel? Here's one in your neck of the woods that's nicely equipped, with 3rd row, sports package, multi-contour seats, self leveling suspension etc. But no Adaptive Drive. It's for sale at West Herr Honda, but if you negotiate delivery through their BMW division, you can get it CPO'd. I'd shoot for $35k or so with CPO - http://www.westherr.com/wholesale-us...b82169d653.htm

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Old 07-26-2014, 08:38 AM
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Thanks - a good option.

I do want to ask the one dealer about the *****back and what was repaired for $22k. But thinking we may keep looking.
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Old 07-26-2014, 09:19 AM
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... the selling dealer or the BMW dealer? May get 2 different answers.

Keep us posted. Very curious as to their response.
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Old 07-26-2014, 09:33 AM
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The BMW dealer pulled the buyback report and the only information that he had (or would share) was the dollar amount of the repair(s).

I've asked the selling dealer for details on the buyback repairs. We'll see what he comes back with and I will share. The selling dealer has made no mention of this being a buyback vehicle - but would need to at paperwork time...
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:14 AM
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I called two additional regional and unrelated BMW dealers and asked them to share the history and if there was any buyback info they could find.

Neither dealer could find a record of a buyback. They said it was a program vehicle and was sold at either/both Mannheim PA and an auction in Georgia. The only flag one of the dealers mentioned was on service records. He indicated that there was no record of a dealer service/oil change until 30,000 miles. He said it may have been serviced by a fleet service though.

So - the minor mystery continues.
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:54 AM
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Interesting! From the seller, and after I shared the detail I found:

As I suspected, this vehicle was a BMW "upfit" vehicle which simply means that it was a vehicle that was not necessarily destined for the US market when originally built. Once it was determined that it was coming to the US an "upfit" procedure was preformed by BMW. Any and all modifications necessary for the vehicle to be US compliant (airbags, 5mph bumpers, badges, etc, etc) would be completed prior to its sale in the US. The documentation does not show specifically what was done but I have included it for your review. We see this frequently, on early production vehicles, as many of these vehicles come over for auto show purposes or to show employees what will be available for the coming year. Once it is deemed a US vehicles BMW performs whatever is necessary to have the vehicle identical to all US cars.

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Old 07-26-2014, 02:57 PM
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That explains why the CARFAX shows vehicle imported from Germany (X5's are assembled in Spartenburg, SC USA).

Regardless, you still don't want to own this car without a CPO ...
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Old 07-26-2014, 05:48 PM
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If built in the US, any guesses as to why it was in Germany? Looks like it put on 33,000 miles over there.

And yes, my goal is CPO regardless of vehicle now.
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:36 AM
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Never heard of such a thing...but ive only read 300,000 posts about BMWs on 4 forums over the last 12 years.....

I like 'no story' cars.
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:02 AM
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If built in the US, any guesses as to why it was in Germany? Looks like it put on 33,000 miles over there.

And yes, my goal is CPO regardless of vehicle now.
The Spartenburg plants builds cars for all areas of the world, including Germany. The bigger question is, why did someone bother to bring the car back to the US, only to incur a $22K bill to "federalize" it ..., on a model that is readily available here? And then sell it through a used car dealer ...?

What's interesting to me is that "BMW" will "upfit" cars to comply with US DOT requirements. That's news to me. I have never heard of BMW doing this ...

This may have been a diplomat car ...

If this "upfitting" is available, it may open doors to opportunities for certain newer model cars that are only available in Europe, like the 40d ...

Can you find out who this car belonged to?
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:35 AM
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I will keep digging and see what additional info I can find.

Snip from the seller:
"We see this frequently, on early production vehicles, as many of these vehicles come over for auto show purposes or to show employees what will be available for the coming year."

But that doesn't make sense if it was built in the US to begin with. And to accumulate 30,000 miles - then be upfitted... I will stop in and look at the original window sticker he has and see what country of origin it lists. I assume this would indicate the build origin.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:00 AM
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^^ Understand that everything the dealer says to you can be a lie. "We see this frequently"...yet you have people here with vastly more experience who have never heard of this. Consider he is trying to manipulate you with a turn of phrase.

A dealer is permitted to out right lie and fabricate almost anything they want- because if you buy you will sign a document that says 'I have not relied on any written or verbal statements from the salesman in this matter'. Indeed, the 'game' is to keep salespeople somewhat ignorant of the facts- nobody digs too deeply into used cars- and once a deal is struck you are transferred to Finance where the legal documents are drawn up and nothing that transpired with the salesman will 'carry' forward into the actual contract/agreement. You show up with copies of all prior emails and say "I want these included as an attachment to the contract, you will walk out with no deal.

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Old 07-27-2014, 10:04 AM
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By Seller you mean the current dealer Sutherland Motors? Or the previous owner?

Dealers will tell you anything to get you to buy ... and this was not an early production vehicle!

You really need to have a look at the car personally. Have the "seller" show you what parts were "upfitted", take pictures of it and share with us on this forum ...

One thing that MUST be changed is the instrument cluster (km to mph). Check to see if the display is in mph. Also look for a Red Tamper Dot (see pic).

Check out all glass on the vehicle and take a picture of the DOT nrs, if any.

All lights and lenses on the car must have DOT nrs.

etc. etc.

PS. What's so special about this car that you must have it?
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:52 PM
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So we bought it. We did some price haggling, and negotiated a deal on a very good extended third party warranty. I also had a BMW mechanic look it over and he passed it with no issue.

The vehicle was built in Germany and has a manufacture date of 04/2010. I checked all the lenses for DOT markings and they were there. Inside the owners case was a maintenance card with the original new car readiness checklist, and then a series of regular maintenance completed - all in Germany. The last service entry (done in Germany) was at 33,703 miles - on July 12, 2012... The mileage is now 34,900 now - so a mystery as to what the car did in between then and now, aside from travel here and be up-fitted.



Here's a snap of the windshield. I was going to take some more pics, but it got too dark. If anyone would like to see more, say so. If there are other areas of interest I should photograph, let me know.
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:58 PM
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Enjoy! It'll probably be fine. Nothing wrong with rolling the dice every now and then.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:08 PM
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... The vehicle was built in Germany and has a manufacture date of 04/2010.
CONGRATULATIONS! Enjoy the car ...

... but this car was not built in Germany. See post #5 above. It was built in Spartenburg, SC.

PS. Does it have a "km" speedometer? How 'bout some more pics?
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:25 PM
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Thanks guys - we are rolling the dice a bit, but are comfortable with the decision. The deciding factor was the wife. She just loved this one - of many we looked at, and it's her vehicle. Happy wife, happy...

I will take more pics soon. The speedometer is correct - MPH to 160 on the outside and KPH on the inside. There is no red light near the odometer.

- So it was built in SC based on carfax info shared above,
- went to Germany and came back at ~33,703 miles,
- and then had $22,000 worth of up-fit work at 33,710 miles

Odd.
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Odd.
Very.

Why a 3rd party warranty??? Any research done on that or just what the salesman said?
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:44 AM
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Why a 3rd party warranty??? Any research done on that or just what the salesman said?
Tough crowd! I guess I need to hang out here more often to prove I'm not an idiot. Maybe a risk-taker, but I generally do my homework to mitigate the risk until I am comfortable.

So, why not a 3rd party warranty? We went with AAA (the national roadside/trip planning service) with a plan that fit us perfectly.
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