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That would be the end of my 2013 order then! Too bad. If I have to wait for 2014 then the new "S" comes into play. Not a good move on BMW's part...in my humble opinion.
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Wonder how can you order a MY13 7er before it's being officially sold yet?
It is for sale. They have production slots and you can order the car. Anyone can. I know it is not on the site yet but the ability to order the car usually comes before the BMW site changes.
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It is for sale. They have production slots and you can order the car. Anyone can. I know it is not on the site yet but the ability to order the car usually comes before the BMW site changes.
Im sure all you can order is the allocation slot. And they offer you to store your config. For convenience, of course.
You wouldn't argue that you can buy a BMW earlier than it's sold in Germany, I hope? Well we've placed two orders for 2 MY 2012 (yes, in germany it's actually my2012) and even the manufacturing date for those is not set yet.
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Im sure all you can order is the allocation slot. And they offer you to store your config. For convenience, of course.
You wouldn't argue that you can buy a BMW earlier than it's sold in Germany, I hope? Well we've placed two orders for 2 MY 2012 (yes, in germany it's actually my2012) and even the manufacturing date for those is not set yet.
My production slot is for the third week in July. However, if there is no TFT panel which appears to be the case then I won't be keeping that. I also think there is a difference between a production slot and a confirmed build date which only comes shortly before the actual date.
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My production slot is for the third week in July. However, if there is no TFT panel which appears to be the case then I won't be keeping that. I also think there is a difference between a production slot and a confirmed build date which only comes shortly before the actual date.
We don't have things like production slots or allocations here, maybe that's why I don't quite understand what you mean by the thid week of July. The MY2012 cars here in Germany have not even been cleared for delivery for the first orders, so I don't think they're produced for the US slots as early as in July.

It's always like that. The f01 was first delivered in Germany, starting with 07/2008, and only from 2009 in the States. Just as e65, and so on. This is why I highly doubt what you have just implied, it would mean US will get my12 facelift before Germany, which has never happened.
Most likely it's your BMW dealer who wants to assure you they get the production slot or something. While all they do is make you place order to fill their allocation beforehand. Good business.
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My production slot is for the third week in July. However, if there is no TFT panel which appears to be the case then I won't be keeping that. I also think there is a difference between a production slot and a confirmed build date which only comes shortly before the actual date.
McLovin: You're the one with the S-Class 1 year lease right? How did it compare to your 7?
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This is why I highly doubt what you have just implied, it would mean US will get my12 facelift before Germany, which has never happened.
Most likely it's your BMW dealer who wants to assure you they get the production slot or something. While all they do is make you place order to fill their allocation beforehand. Good business.
I have ordered new BMW's or MB's cars every year or two for the last 30 years at the beginning of the model year so I can assure you this is how it works in the US. I usually follow the production of my car step by step. Whether or not the production date gets set back this year still remains to be seen but in all the years most of the time they are pretty darn accurate and the car gets produced within days of the production slot.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/07/14/ho...d-to-delivery/

How this compares to Germany I have no idea.
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McLovin: You're the one with the S-Class 1 year lease right? How did it compare to your 7?
Yes. I thought I would just get the S class for a year to hold me over but it really turned out to be a wonderful car. I love my S class and when you get it in the Designo interior and paint it is surely as special as the 7 series.

The car is certainly as good as the 7 series. I think it comes down to personal preference. For me, I think the ride of the S class is much smoother and the 7 series much sportier. The difference in the regular tires vs. the run flats is noticeable.

As far as interiors, the S class is equally as luxurious if not more when you get the Designo vs. the Individual. In my opinion, the S class interior is more current and the 7 series is more classic.

Without the TFT I am very interested in the S class for 2014 because as a new generation car I suspect it will have a lot of new toys. Also, since MB no longer makes the Maybach, the new generation S class is supposed to have 4 different lines included one on the level of the Maybach so it will be interesting to see what comes with that.

I loved my last 7 series and I really thought it would be a done deal for this year but after driving the MB for a year...it is up in the air.
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I have ordered new BMW's or MB's cars every year or two for the last 30 years at the beginning of the model year so I can assure you this is how it works in the US. I usually follow the production of my car step by step. Whether or not the production date gets set back this year still remains to be seen but in all the years most of the time they are pretty darn accurate and the car gets produced within days of the production slot.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/07/14/ho...d-to-delivery/

How this compares to Germany I have no idea.
You still haven't answered how do you think it's possible that a MY12 car in Germany gets produced later than a MY13 car for the US. Not only has this never happened (in those 30 years and more), it just doesn't make sense. Have you been able to recieve a 2009 f01 in the States as early as in 2008? Or any other model for that matter?
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You still haven't answered how do you think it's possible that a MY12 car in Germany gets produced later than a MY13 car for the US. Not only has this never happened (in those 30 years and more), it just doesn't make sense. Have you been able to recieve a 2009 f01 in the States as early as in 2008? Or any other model for that matter?
The reason I have not answered your question is because I have no idea how it works in Germany so I can't compare the two and answer your question. I only know how it happens here in the US. Also, remember, even though the car may be produced in July, the car won't get to the US until sometime in September.

Here is the US you always get the model year car for the next year in the year before. For example, 2013 in 2012. It always works that way.
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The reason I have not answered your question is because I have no idea how it works in Germany so I can't compare the two and answer your question. I only know how it happens here in the US. Also, remember, even though the car may be produced in July, the car won't get to the US until sometime in September.

Here is the US you always get the model year car for the next year in the year before. For example, 2013 in 2012. It always works that way.
You mean there are 2008 f01's registered in the US? Or what do you mean you "get the model year"? If people physically had the car in 2008 it would be registered in 2008, right? Yet there aren't any afaik.
The same way as there will not be LCI f01's in the States registered in 2012.
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You mean there are 2008 f01's registered in the US? Or what do you mean you "get the model year"? If people physically had the car in 2008 it would be registered in 2008, right? Yet there aren't any afaik.
The same way as there will not be LCI f01's in the States registered in 2012.
No, you physically get a 2013 model year in 2012 and you register the car in 2012. I suspect the difference here is how they are calling the model years vs. the production time. There will surely be LCI's registered in 2012.
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No, you physically get a 2013 model year in 2012 and you register the car in 2012. I suspect the difference here is how they are calling the model years vs. the production time. There will surely be LCI's registered in 2012.
Point is simple:


- f01 is MY 2008 in Germany, and MY 2009 in the States.
- LCI is MY 2012 in Germany, and MY 2013 in the States.
- just as there are no 2008 f01's in the States, there won't be any 2012 LCI's.
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Point is simple:


- f01 is MY 2008 in Germany, and MY 2009 in the States.
- LCI is MY 2012 in Germany, and MY 2013 in the States.
- just as there are no 2008 f01's in the States, there won't be any 2012 LCI's.
I think this is correct. The timing of when these cars come are close to the same time. While the availability of the cars is pretty close...they just name them differently from a model year point of view. US is all about marketing...Germany is the real deal.
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An order is placed at a dealer, routed to corporate, assigned a production slot / week and the info is bounced back to the dealer (NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD). Instead of actual production dates, BMW revolves around production weeks, weeks 1 - 52 of a given year, 52 in a year. If a dealer has an allocation, meaning they were already set to receive a vehicle already assigned to a particular production slot / week AND there is still enough time for the order to be modified, such that the order is not definite (i.e.: the dealer simply knows they will receive a 7 Series assigned to production week 26 in the year 2012, which is the last week of June, 2012), THEN when taking your order, the dealer need not first reach out to corporate before telling you their soonest available production slot for the order would be the last week of June, 2012; as if they knew they would be selling a vehicle and reserved a spot in line for their customer even before one transpired. So, production slots / weeks have NOTHING to do with model years! In the United States, model years are mere gimmick, having no regulation. Manufactures can brand models they sell in 2012 as 2014 model year vehicles for all they care; it's all about marketing and getting a leg up on the competition; how far they can push the envelope of reality. However, Germany is more true in that vehicles are advertised for sale based on their ACTUAL month and year - sometimes season and year - of FINAL production, not their model year, therefore the actual month and year of final production ends up being close to the vehicle's production slot / week, but the former is the start of production for the vehicle and the latter, the model year, is the end of production. Otherwise, there is NO question that when there is a new model debut, you're almost certain to see same delivered and hit German roads before US roads; I'm pretty sure that's even the case with the X5 and Z4, which are built in the US.

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I find this thread very interesting! I had this "virtual" instrument cluster in my 2011 Range Rover. I had the car for about 18 months (flawless, 100% trouble free!!). After having virtual instruments, I am so, so, so happy my 2012 7 Series does NOT have this. TRUST ME...the gauges we have in our current 7 Series are much better than digital/virtual needles and readouts. While I never had a problem ever, with the Range Rover's instruments...they are so artificial, especially the RPM digital needle. IMO, the current USA gauges are an amazing blend of virtual and real. I LOVE, LOVE the instrument cluster in the current 7 Series.
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An order is placed at a dealer, routed to corporate, assigned a production slot / week and the info is bounced back to the dealer (NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD). Instead of actual production dates, BMW revolves around production weeks, weeks 1 - 52 of a given year, 52 in a year. If a dealer has an allocation, meaning they were already set to receive a vehicle already assigned to a particular production slot / week AND there is still enough time for the order to be modified, such that the order is not definite (i.e.: the dealer simply knows they will receive a 7 Series assigned to production week 26 in the year 2012, which is the last week of June, 2012), THEN when taking your order, the dealer need not first reach out to corporate before telling you their soonest available production slot for the order would be the last week of June, 2012; as if they knew they would be selling a vehicle and reserved a spot in line for their customer even before one transpired. So, production slots / weeks have NOTHING to do with model years! In the United States, model years are mere gimmick, having no regulation. Manufactures can brand models they sell in 2012 as 2014 model year vehicles for all they care; it's all about marketing and getting a leg up on the competition; how far they can push the envelope of reality. However, Germany is more true in that vehicles are advertised for sale based on their ACTUAL month and year - sometimes season and year - of FINAL production, not their model year, therefore the actual month and year of final production ends up being close to the vehicle's production slot / week, but the former is the start of production for the vehicle and the latter, the model year, is the end of production. Otherwise, there is NO question that when there is a new model debut, you're almost certain to see same delivered and hit German roads before US roads; I'm pretty sure that's even the case with the X5 and Z4, which are built in the US.
...except that all the domestic orders are processed before any other foreign markets get their production slots. In fact my BMW dealer laughed when I asked him how many "allocations" they get. They don't speak that language. BMW will put as many productions as neccessary when the order comes from BMW Niederlassung Hamburg.
So, anywhere in the world - yes. But not in the domestic market. And it's not an "almost certain" but a definite yes.

To go back ontopic: I have no confirmation of the production date for the LCI's we've ordered a few weeks ago. In fact the first LCI to be available for test-drive will be in the main BMW Niederlassung in Hamburg only in the middle of July. I've reserved a test-drive for August, hope I will have something to report then.
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I find this thread very interesting! I had this "virtual" instrument cluster in my 2011 Range Rover. I had the car for about 18 months (flawless, 100% trouble free!!). After having virtual instruments, I am so, so, so happy my 2012 7 Series does NOT have this. TRUST ME...the gauges we have in our current 7 Series are much better than digital/virtual needles and readouts. While I never had a problem ever, with the Range Rover's instruments...they are so artificial, especially the RPM digital needle. IMO, the current USA gauges are an amazing blend of virtual and real. I LOVE, LOVE the instrument cluster in the current 7 Series.
Nice; I've been wondering the same exact thing! While I believe the new 7 Series TFT panel to be far superior to the TFT panel of the Range Rover - and XJ - guess one needs to experience same for himself. Having had numerous loaner vehicles, believe it or not, the "Extended Black Panel Displays" of the F10 5 Series improved SIGNIFICANTLY from the 2011 to 2012 Model Years (sharper, smoother); so I can't wait to see the levels of refinement the - let's just say - 2014 7 Series TFT display will put forth. But yes, where do we draw the line; just like with timepieces, analogue is luxury.

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BMW will put as many productions as neccessary when the order comes from BMW Niederlassung Hamburg.
Ha; you hit the nail on the head! Didn't mention it, but my order was top-down. So, yes, Germany pushes it through!

It's no wonder they're propping up the entire EU.

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Nice; I've been wondering the same exact thing! While I believe the new 7 Series TFT panel to be far superior to the TFT panel of the Range Rover - and XJ - guess one needs to experience same for himself. Having had numerous loaner vehicles, believe it or not, the "Extended Black Panel Displays" of the F10 5 Series improved SIGNIFICANTLY from the 2011 to 2012 Model Years (sharper, smoother); so I can't wait to see the levels of refinement the - let's just say - 2014 7 Series TFT display will put forth. But yes, where do we draw the line; just like with timepieces, analogue is luxury.
Ahh yes but with TFT digital can be an option for those who like it. While I love analog timepieces, when it comes to gauges, digital is F1, analog is Nascar.

Range Rover and Jaguar TFTs leave a lot to be desired. I like the Cadillac Cue of all the TFTs I have seen. I am sure MB and BMW will step up. Odd that tech heavy Lexus has no TFT or any gauge that one can configure. They were first in 2007 with Bluetooth audio streaming and had rear cameras at least back to 2005. You may know that Infiniti iwas first with rear cameras in 1999 on the MY 2000 Q45. A couple of years later they developed Lane Departure and credit GM with HUD 15+ years ago on Vette and Pontiac and night vision on Cadillacs 8-9 years ago. All of this tech is beginning to trickle down even to the midsize and compact class which is all good.
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Nice; I've been wondering the same exact thing! While I believe the new 7 Series TFT panel to be far superior to the TFT panel of the Range Rover - and XJ - guess one needs to experience same for himself. Having had numerous loaner vehicles, believe it or not, the "Extended Black Panel Displays" of the F10 5 Series improved SIGNIFICANTLY from the 2011 to 2012 Model Years (sharper, smoother); so I can't wait to see the levels of refinement the - let's just say - 2014 7 Series TFT display will put forth. But yes, where do we draw the line; just like with timepieces, analogue is luxury.
Our 2008 S550 had the TFT for the instrument cluster as well, and watching the fake needles was very annoying. I do not think analog is nascar (as another member stated). Analog is Rolls Royce and Bentley and Porsche.....We've had TFT in 2 high end cars, and what we have (real needles and real gauges) in our 7 Series, G55 and SLS AMG are IMO far superior to some artifical digital TFT screen.

And btw, I do not know if BMW TFT is, or will be better than Range Rover or Jaguar. I think both the Jag and RR were top notch, in terms of what they had. Brilliant graphics and very usable and so precise. Just artificial!
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I think we're in a quandry - manufacturers/designers want to have a fresh design, but need to appease purists. They end up pleasing none with compromises.

What's next, a TFT Rolex? You can change the face at the touch of a button.
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What's next, a TFT Rolex? You can change the face at the touch of a button.
I agree. To please purists the TFT should be configured to their tastes and to please those who want a video presentation, likewise they set the TFT to their tastes. Long before there was any discussion on TFTs, yours truly presented an idea to Apple called the iGauge which was essentially an ipad screen for the gauges. You want an oil pressure gauge here or temp gauge there just drag and drop. I would love a temp gauge on my '08 750. You want a big central analog tach like a Porsche, so be it. You want to add a small digital speedo in that tach, done. Pinch and zoom, drag and drop, add an app for additional customization. You want pure analog like a mid 80s BMW, done. This idea went nowhere with Apple but you can see the beginnings with cars like the lowly Dodge Dart (Alfa Giulietta). With today's "space age" technology, there is unlimited potential and no reason why consumers can't have fully custom gauges. Cost is not an issue if a $17K Dodge Dart has a configurable TFT. Even on high end cars, configurable TFTs should be reasonable and costs will come down just like laptops and other tech items unlike the $8K carbon ceramic brakes on a Porsche.
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I see the cost to produce TFT panels plummeting far below that of an actual mechanical analogue gauge in the not too distant future.

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Just remembered...does the current (almost life cycle finished) S -Class still have the virtual speedometer and center instruments, TFT? Our 2008 S550 had this, and while like our 2011 Range Rover...flawless, no problems, but artificial. I also agree in the very near future, TFT will be much, much more cost effective for auto companies than elegant, classic analog gauges
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