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Old 06-29-2012, 01:04 PM
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Where was that? Title of the thread is "Crazy to buy a new 2011 335d now? "
You are absolutely correct, I missed the title entirely. But then the OP was incorrect calling it a two-year-old new car, it is not possible, not yet
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:43 PM
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You are absolutely correct, I missed the title entirely. But then the OP was incorrect calling it a two-year-old new car, it is not possible, not yet
Thanks for the advice all!
It's born on date was 10/10 so 3 months shy of 2 yrs. Has 81 miles on it from test drives. It just had its second oil change. Also dealer says it spent most of its time in showroom.
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:34 PM
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:40 PM
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I just picked up my '11d for about the same discount (build date -July 2011). Love it! The M57 motor is rock solid and well tested (been in service in Europe since '99). Maintenance on the emissions and other perepherral equipment may be a costly in long term service, but what BMW isn't? Go for it.
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:44 PM
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There is a reason why nobody wanted them. Get a 2013 335i with no option for not much more.

Cost of fuel according to EPA over 15000 miles
2012 335i 2300$
2011 335d 2200$
Have you driven a d? Totally different experience than an i. I bought it because I like the dynamics of a diesel engine and it has a "green" advantage (considerably less CO2 output per year than an i) not for fuel savings. Who buys a $40k-ish car for fuel savings?

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Old 06-29-2012, 07:11 PM
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now i just need to figure out how to upgrade the standard seats to sport ones.
anyone ever do this successfully?
big $?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:33 PM
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Who buys a $40k-ish car for fuel savings?
Volt owners.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:38 PM
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Volt owners.
Haha- forgot about those- though I think the leases are subvented.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:56 AM
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Have you driven a d? Totally different experience than an i. I bought it because I like the dynamics of a diesel engine and it has a "green" advantage (considerably less CO2 output per year than an i) not for fuel savings. Who buys a $40k-ish car for fuel savings?
Oh yes. I even autocrossed 2 different 335d and let's not be confused; it is a 335i that I want to bring home.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:57 AM
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There is a reason why nobody wanted them. Get a 2013 335i with no option for not much more.

Cost of fuel according to EPA over 15000 miles
2012 335i 2300$
2011 335d 2200$
Because Americans are generally morons when it comes to diesels.


The diesel e90 is fantastic. There's a lot more to the equation than just a few bucks worth of gas.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:14 AM
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Generally speaking Americans are anti diesel and for reasons that typically have been invalid for many years. But I think the issue with the 335d is it never was marketed well at all. For example I never once have seen a TV ad for one or a radio ad for one or received and email from BMW for one. Now just this month I have received two emails on the X5d and I have seen on TV or heard on the radio probably 30 ads for them. Yes I know the 335d is no longer made so would not have ads or emails but even when it was made I saw squat. Then when I went to the dealers you had to know about the car because the sales people all seemed to know nothing.

With all that said, this month I have seen 2-3 times as many 335d cars than 335i. The 335i being made longer would make me think would be a more common sight but not the case. Also almost all the X5s I see are diesels. So in my neck of the woods the idea of diesels to Americans seems to be doing quite well.

I can respect that someone may just not like how a diesel drives. Just like I can respect that same person might prefer how a gas car drives. My preference is how a diesel drives or something much more performance orientated than a 335i is. What I don't understand is why people seem to go out of their way to force their preferences onto other people over just being happy when a company tries to diversify itself enough to appeal to different segments of the market.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:26 AM
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I have a 2011 335d and absolutely love it. I did my research for 3 years before purchasing and decided it was the ideal car for what I was looking for- power, performance, luxury, and fewer trips to the pump.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:22 AM
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Because Americans are generally morons when it comes to diesels.

The diesel e90 is fantastic. There's a lot more to the equation than just a few bucks worth of gas.
They are used to something better than an engine that sounds like a tractor.

Avoiding this is worth more than just a few bucks worth of gas, IMO.

The diesel has no case in North America.

Our local dealer still has a 2010 or 2011 335d on the lot that he was never able to sell. They had a fleet of 335d as courtesy car and the model was marketed aggressively in its first 1-2 years. It is not that they didn't try.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:50 AM
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They are used to something better than an engine that sounds like a tractor.

Avoiding this is worth more than just a few bucks worth of gas, IMO.

The diesel has no case in North America.
Silliness. Tractor? Hardly. Smoothest, quietest diesel on the road, bar none. I seriously don't know how you would label the M57 as tractor sounding. It has a unique sound signature, almost V8 like under light load, with a turbo-enhanced growl when pushed. It definitely doesn't sound like a gasser BMW I6, as it shouldn't.

No case for diesel in America? How do you explain the success of the VW TDI? And if more Americans understood how good a modern CR diesel was (power, torque and efficiency) they would be much more popular here. It's a lack of consumer awareness that makes for a limited market here, not a poor product.

Also, as I've said before, many diesel enthusiasts prefer the relaxed, flat torque curve these engines deliver. You have your opinion, which you've made clear. Let's not piss on others' party.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:54 AM
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Saintor

Hey, guys, just stop replying to anything by Saintor. He has this "thing" about diesel engines.

He has some reasonable and slightly supportable opinions regarding the non-desirability of diesel cars, but his postings regarding this have become wildly and impossibly opposed to diesels. He is not worth responding to and is a complete troll when it comes to diesels.

Let it be, let it be.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:58 AM
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I wouldn't say Americans are morons regarding diesel, just less exposed. I would go for it just for the torque!
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:12 PM
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Hey, guys, just stop replying to anything by Saintor. He has this "thing" about diesel engines.

He has some reasonable and slightly supportable opinions regarding the non-desirability of diesel cars, but his postings regarding this have become wildly and impossibly opposed to diesels. He is not worth responding to and is a complete troll when it comes to diesels.

Let it be, let it be.
worth repeating...
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:19 PM
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Hey, guys, just stop replying to anything by Saintor. He has this "thing" about diesel engines.

He has some reasonable and slightly supportable opinions regarding the non-desirability of diesel cars, but his postings regarding this have become wildly and impossibly opposed to diesels. He is not worth responding to and is a complete troll when it comes to diesels.

Let it be, let it be.
Point taken and noted.

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Old 06-30-2012, 12:26 PM
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Hey, guys, just stop replying to anything by Saintor. He has this "thing" about diesel engines.

He has some reasonable and slightly supportable opinions regarding the non-desirability of diesel cars, but his postings regarding this have become wildly and impossibly opposed to diesels. He is not worth responding to and is a complete troll when it comes to diesels.

Let it be, let it be.
Back in 2010 I correctly predicted the quick-coming demise of the 335d in North america and you stand corrected.

Nowadays, we have direct injected gas engines that gets the same fuel cost as diesels but with more HP. Whether you like it or not, there is no way around it.
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Back in 2010 I correctly predicted the quick-coming demise of the 335d in North america and you stand corrected.

Nowadays, we have direct injected gas engines that gets the same fuel cost as diesels but with more HP. Whether you like it or not, there is no way around it.

Yeah but what about torque dude.

Torque.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:17 PM
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Yeah but what about torque dude.

Torque.
Torque is for those who enjoy a quick sex, HP is for those who prefer a good foreplay first
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:20 PM
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Yeah but gas guys have to get it up first.

And they have a hard time getting it up enough to perform.

I'm talking about RPM of course.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:27 PM
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Hey, guys, just stop replying to anything by Saintor. He has this "thing" about diesel engines.

He has some reasonable and slightly supportable opinions regarding the non-desirability of diesel cars, but his postings regarding this have become wildly and impossibly opposed to diesels. He is not worth responding to and is a complete troll when it comes to diesels.

Let it be, let it be.
It's good to see the still hates diesels and I'm happy he's still on my ignore list. Unfortunately, I see by the quotes he's still making the same old lame arguments.

I put on 17,000 of the 35,000 miles on my 335d at speeds up to 150mph and it drives and sounds great! I would pick the 335d easily over a 335i independent of fuel economy ratings, the diesel just responds to the throttle so much quicker. BTW, comparing the 2011 335d vs 2011 335i yields $2,220/yr in fuel savings over four years. That's the equivalent to one year of free fuel!

There will be an F30 diesel in the next year or two, but BMWNA is keeping it close-hold as to which model it be. Just like it does for most models, BMW staggers the roll out of its models leaving the best for last.

BTW, there's word of F01 & F10 diesels coming our way too.
BMW Confirms F30 Diesel will come to the US
Diesel 7 Series Reportedly Coming Stateside Next Year. Springs Hope for 335d / 535d




OP,

It's very simple, people who actually own 335ds love them. Give the car a thorough inspection and if it looks good, buy it. It may just be the best BMW you ever drive.
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Yeah but gas guys have to get it up first.

And they have a hard time getting it up enough to perform.

I'm talking about RPM of course.
A good sex is not defined by how fast you get up to 5,000 before you must pull back, but how long you can stay up there at 7,000.
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