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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 07-07-2012, 04:42 AM
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Valve Seals Leaking.

My 2006 550i 102,000 miles. Valve Seals leaking, any ideas how much it will cost me to fix or will it be better to put a new engine in? Thanks.

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Old 07-07-2012, 05:20 AM
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well about 500-700 USD at local shop and 1000+ at dealer.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:06 AM
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well about 500-700 USD at local shop and 1000+ at dealer.
What shop or dealer would charge so low? I've heard of people being quoted $5k and up
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:15 AM
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My 2006 550i 102,000 miles. Valve Seals leaking, any ideas how much it will cost me to fix or will it be better to put a new engine in? Thanks.

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Are you talking about the valve cover gaskets or the valve guides themselves?????

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:24 AM
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I thought he is talking about valve cover seals. Well I have never heard valve seals are leaking anymore. It was 20 years ago on cars but now I have never heard it, unless engine was overheated or use wrong type of oil, or some solvents.
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:41 AM
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:56 AM
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After the car idle for a few min a puff of smoke comes out when I take off. BMW diagnostic is the valve Guid seals is the problem. The problem is do I fix it or put another engine in? If I decide to fix, any idea about how much it will cost me. Thanks.

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Old 07-07-2012, 09:59 AM
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As far as how much it costs to replace the valve guide seals then I don't have a clue. It''s pretty rare these days unless you happen to have bought a Bimmer that only had oil changes every 15K. If that it the case then you'll need to find an Indy mechanic and let him make the assessment. The valve guides can certainly be replaced but if the engine is worn to that point, then I would consider putting a rebuilt engine in place.

Cha-ching $$$$ for sure though.

Did the BMW Tech give you an estimate???? They'll know the cost better than any of the rest of us...

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Old 07-07-2012, 11:00 AM
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Indy did mine for 3500$. Pulled engine replaced upper and lower oil pan gaskets,oil filter housing and alt.gasket.Did valve seals with heads on,this saves money from taking head off engine.There's a major write up but keif member either on this forums or one of the other BMW boards.He did a pic by pic that my Indy actually was thankful I showed him.10k ago running great and no smoke.Do a search the write up has hundreds of pics on the valve seal change.It was a 545 but should be similar.This is a common problem on n62 and now n62tu

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Old 07-07-2012, 11:21 AM
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BMW dealer quote $5,000-$7,000

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As far as how much it costs to replace the valve guide seals then I don't have a clue. It''s pretty rare these days unless you happen to have bought a Bimmer that only had oil changes every 15K. If that it the case then you'll need to find an Indy mechanic and let him make the assessment. The valve guides can certainly be replaced but if the engine is worn to that point, then I would consider putting a rebuilt engine in place.

Cha-ching $$$$ for sure though.

Did the BMW Tech give you an estimate???? They'll know the cost better than any of the rest of us...
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Yep, sooner or later them 15K drain intervals will bite ya.
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:43 PM
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To change valve seals? Can this not be done with the heads on the car? What's so different on a BMW and any other car? Using compressed air in the cylinder will keep the valves closed while the rings and seals are replaced. It's a PITA, but it can be done... At least on other cars...
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:54 AM
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Yes blue blood read my thread. heads on but not enough room on 5 series at rear of engine compartment.So engine out but still leave heads on.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:09 PM
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Help- i have just bought a 530D and the day after I bought it I have noticed under the bonnet at the right side is black with soot and is around the rubber hose at the outlet of the turbo there is a lot of this soot and looks bad could anyone tell me what it could be thanks
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:23 AM
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After the car idle for a few min a puff of smoke comes out when I take off. BMW diagnostic is the valve Guid seals is the problem. The problem is do I fix it or put another engine in? If I decide to fix, any idea about how much it will cost me. Thanks.

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Do you have an extended warranty? I would say have the warrant comPany foot the bill
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:15 AM
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My smoking 530D

No don't have a warranty bought it from a private sale took it to the mechanic the day and it's not the turbo it's a thick rubber hose coming out the right side of the engine cover when we reved the engine we can see smoke coming out so he is going to replace the hose and do a smoke check to see if it's leaking anywhere else keep you's posted on how I get on
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:30 AM
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It maybe your an oil separator is bad, it will give same symptoms as like blue smoke in exhaust pipe, because it's not separated gas from oil so the oil leak to exhaust pipe. It can damage O2 sensor as well
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:38 PM
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I wonder if your problem looks similar to the video I just uploaded? I've replaced the CCV with no change and am using a quart of oil every 1500 miles or so. I suspect a valve seal replacement is in my near future.


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I thought valve covers are oil separator and have two vent valves that vent gases to tube just above throttle control unit. The actual CCV was on previous generation of E46 and e39 I6 engines. It might happen your one of vent valves don't work properly, so it's open all then time so oil going to exhaust.

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Old 07-10-2012, 09:12 PM
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The CCV valves are item number 13 in your pic. Its like a spring loaded diaphragm under the plastic BMW engine covers just above the spark us. Mine were both tore and I expected that to fix the problem but as you can see no luck. Most of the reading I've done leads me to believe this is a valve guide or seal related. The oil separator sure sounds like a cheaper option.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:34 AM
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Yes siver550 you are correct.The pcv's are the round caps on the valve cover,orange diaphragm when cap removed.If you've replaced these and still loosing a lot of oil ,look for smoke on take off after short idle.If so valve seals.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:48 AM
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Also what happens to the mech sleeve as I hear is the wiring insulator grommet breaks down to the "sleeve".The sleeve is a controlling valve pack in the transmission.
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:44 AM
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I wonder if your problem looks similar to the video I just uploaded? I've replaced the CCV with no change and am using a quart of oil every 1500 miles or so. I suspect a valve seal replacement is in my near future.

Love the sound. That white smoke is from valve seals? Does the car run crappy because of the smoke? How long can you drive it like that?
How hard is it to replace the seals? I thought someone had a DIY here for it. I figure if you tackle the project, just change all your gaskets at the same time.

What can we do to keep this from happening besides changing oil on a regular?
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You know I don't know for sure at this point but I'm pretty sure it is the valve seals. There are no other warnings and the car still runs well but i'm sure there will be an air flow sensor alarm in the exhasut system at some time. I haven't noticed any decrease in power though. I want to say the DIY I read is for a 7. I talked to a BMW mecahnic yesterday and he says that its a real PITA on the 5's. He says that the motor and heads have to be removed so it's predominatley a labor issue. I'm looking at my opptions and will update with any info.

That's what people keep saying. Change the oil more often than the 15k interval.
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