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Old 07-08-2012, 05:58 AM
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535i versus 535i M sport

Aside from the physical difference in the front are there any differences mechanically between the 2...more horsepower,maybe? Am seriously considering both and not sure if I can justify an addl $5000 just for the "M" badge. Thanks!
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:09 AM
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The M-Sport package is really just an appearance package. It does include some things that you can get without ordering an M-Sport, so you cannot look at it as costing $5,000 or whatever. You have to tease apart the package and decide what is important to you and what is not. BTW, the '13's are different in how they are packaged, so I can't really speak for what comes with them for 13. Just go on line and study what comes with what.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:37 AM
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If you are getting a 2013, it only costs 2,900. It is now just an appearance package (the 2012 version contained dynamic damper control). That said, you can only get the sport automatic transmission with the M Package. I THINK you can get the manual without it though, but you will lose 2-3 MPG with the manual.

For 13, the following comes with the M-Sport
19"wheels, M Steering wheel, Aerodynamic Kit, shadowline exterior trim, anthracite headliner, increased top speed limiter
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:14 AM
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Aside from the physical difference in the front are there any differences mechanically between the 2...more horsepower,maybe? Am seriously considering both and not sure if I can justify an addl $5000 just for the "M" badge. Thanks!
If you are speaking about the 2012 model, the M-Sport has both cosmetic and handling features (including 19" wheels) that are different than the standard 535i. In addition you get the very desireable multi-contour seats with M-Sport. The Sport package (which differs only cosmetically from the M-Sport) also gets you the handling package (including the 19" wheels but of a different style than M-Sport) and multi-contour seats. I highly recommend either M-Sport or Sport. As far as 2013 models, I haven't really looked into it.
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:02 AM
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If you are getting a 2013, it only costs 2,900. It is now just an appearance package (the 2012 version contained dynamic damper control). That said, you can only get the sport automatic transmission with the M Package. I THINK you can get the manual without it though, but you will lose 2-3 MPG with the manual.

For 13, the following comes with the M-Sport
19"wheels, M Steering wheel, Aerodynamic Kit, shadowline exterior trim, anthracite headliner, increased top speed limiter
I find it very hard to believe that the sport transmission is only available with M-Sport. I know that is not the case for 2012.
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:15 AM
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I find it very hard to believe that the sport transmission is only available with M-Sport. I know that is not the case for 2012.
Yep. According to the 2013 order guide - 2TB (Sport Tranny) requires ZMP (M Sport Package).
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:27 AM
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Yep. According to the 2013 order guide - 2TB (Sport Tranny) requires ZMP (M Sport Package).
So you can't get it with the sport package?
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There is no sport package available for 2013 except for the activehybrid 5. The sport package went away for the rest of the models. There is only the M-Sport package.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:58 AM
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My below rationale only really applies to the 2012 as the option ordering had changed for 2013..

To me the M-Sport package was worth the $4800 as the Sport package (more on that in a bit) was already $3600. A $1200 difference for the M-Sport bumpers and side skirts, trim pieces and wheels was a no brainier for me as I truly prefer the look of the car with it (I came from an M3). Ultimately, the difference between the M-Sport and Sport packages are the aesthetic M pieces, so that is individual subjective value.

As for the items shared between the both packages:

Antharicite Headliner - the black headliner is a must for me as it just overall matches better with a black interior.

Staggered 19" wheels versus the square 18" wheels

Multi-contour seats - the seats have much more adjustment and honestly do feel better

Shadowline Exterior Trim- I personally prefer the gloss black trim over the chrome

Sport Steering wheel- the thicker leather steering wheel makes a huge difference and feel if you are used to having it.

Dynamic Damper Control - was a must for me as I felt that the default shock dampening was a bit "soft".

In the end, the Sport package was a 100% must for me as it provided a majority of the features and characteristics that I wanted/had to have. The M-Sport was essential a must due to the nominal cost difference. Without either package I would have just passed on the F10 as a whole.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:45 AM
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There is no sport package available for 2013 except for the activehybrid 5. The sport package went away for the rest of the models. There is only the M-Sport package.
In your thread above where you describe what comes with M-Sport, there is not mention of the sport package (bigger wheels/tires, suspension tuning) being part of the M-Sport package.

I'm not questioning that you are passing along what you are reading, I'm questioning whether the buyers guide is correct. Certainly there is an option for what used to be included in the sport package for the non-M-Sports I would think. But then again, BMW is in some very strange mode these days - as if Chris Bangle is now the marketing manager for BMW.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:33 PM
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FYI. MY2013 535i:

#1) Both Adaptive Drive (2VA) & Damper Control (ZDD) are packaged into ZDH (Dynamic Handling) which is $3,500 ; &

#2) ZMP (M-Sport ) is $2,900 which consists neither item listed under ZDH.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:33 PM
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In your thread above where you describe what comes with M-Sport, there is not mention of the sport package (bigger wheels/tires, suspension tuning) being part of the M-Sport package.

I'm not questioning that you are passing along what you are reading, I'm questioning whether the buyers guide is correct. Certainly there is an option for what used to be included in the sport package for the non-M-Sports I would think. But then again, BMW is in some very strange mode these days - as if Chris Bangle is now the marketing manager for BMW.

No worries. The first thing I listed was the 19" wheels, but re-reading my post, it is easy to miss.

The M-Sport package was made appearance only. You can buy the Damper control seperately, and Active roll stabilization comes in a package with damper control. For at least the 550, the nicer seats are included, but I am not sure on the 535.

I do know that for the 550 at least, the packages were redone and a lot of seperate options were removed and placed in the executive package. For instance, you can not get comfort access as a stand alone option in the 550. I do not know why they did it, but I suspect that they felt that people were buying (or leasing) the 550 for the engine and when they turned it back in, it didn't have enough of the luxury items to make it sell easily. Again, just my thoughts, I don't know for sure.
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BMW Makes this **** too confusing....three different model years, and Sport / MSport are three completely different packages each year.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:20 PM
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BMW Makes this **** too confusing....three different model years, and Sport / MSport are three completely different packages each year.
I agree. And they are also turning the M-Sport package into a joke.
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I just bought a 2010 535i xdrive and was told it was the sport package.. (not M sport package) but i dont even have the sport button or mode on my shifter...and my awd came with 17" wheels...Now my buddy has an 08 535 xi with sport package.....just out of curiosity, if we were both to pull off on a green light, i wouldnt be left embarrass now, would i???
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2013 535i M Sports Pack

Does any one know >> what this means?
"increased top speed limiter"??
I am looking to get 535i ..not sure if i should get his M sports pack.
How much of a difference does >> "increased top speed limiter" make?
How much more speed/acceleration/torque does it have from regular 535i?
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Does any one know >> what this means?
"increased top speed limiter"??
I am looking to get 535i ..not sure if i should get his M sports pack.
How much of a difference does >> "increased top speed limiter" make?
How much more speed/acceleration/torque does it have from regular 535i?
It has no quicker acceleration or more power/torque.

The 535i simply has an electronically limited top speed - I believe it's somewhere between 120 and 130 mph. With the "increased top speed limiter", that number is raised to 155 mph.

Unless you take your car to the racetrack, it doesn't matter.
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It has no quicker acceleration or more power/torque.

The 535i simply has an electronically limited top speed - I believe it's somewhere between 120 and 130 mph. With the "increased top speed limiter", that number is raised to 155 mph.

Unless you take your car to the racetrack, it doesn't matter.
It's 130 mph.

How do I know? A friend of mine just did Euro Delivery on a 335 M-Sport (with 18s all-seasons so no increased speed limiter) and it maxed out at 130mph on the autobahn.

When I did ED w/ my 535, it hit 155 mph. I have the pics to prove it.
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When I did ED w/ my 535, it hit 155 mph. I have the pics to prove it.
Lucky you.

Back then, you could simply get a sports-package without all this M-marketing stuff...
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:11 AM
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Thanks for the info guys..!!
Max I have reached on a highway is 107 on my Pontiac.. 155 would be fun
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:15 AM
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Lucky you.

Back then, you could simply get a sports-package without all this M-marketing stuff...
I completely agree but I also remember the argument when the E39 came out. People would complain that the E39 wasn't as understated as the E34. The E39 had exposed exhaust and sport package had blacked out trim.
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