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Old 09-18-2013, 06:52 AM
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How to change 6NH to 6NS, possible ?

Hello,
I have only 6NH option on my new BMW, without BT streaming, data and video over USB... Is it possible edit existing 6NH (E-Sys SALAPA-Elements), and change the H to a S to coding and replace option with 6NS ?

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Old 09-18-2013, 02:15 PM
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I believe you're correct if you have a new car with the HU_NBT.
Update the FA list 6NH->6NS
Then I think you Code HU_NBT .. et voila !
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:11 AM
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Hi,

I recently got an LCI F10 with 6NH and would love to upgrade to 6NS.

How can I find out if this is possible? I'm not too sure what 'HU_NBT' is?

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Old 10-02-2013, 05:18 AM
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I believe you're correct if you have a new car with the HU_NBT.
Update the FA list 6NH->6NS
Then I think you Code HU_NBT .. et voila !
That's how you do it.

HU NBT is your head unit and you need to also code the HU NBT module and not the underlying CAFD file.
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Old 12-03-2013, 12:52 AM
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That's how you do it.

HU NBT is your head unit and you need to also code the HU NBT module and not the underlying CAFD file.
I can confirm I completed this and it worked and is working a treat!
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:54 PM
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Are you able to provide some step by step instructions to do this.

I already have the cable, esys etc and have done some coding on my car but I want to enable the extended Bluetooth on my wife's F25.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:20 AM
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Are you able to provide some step by step instructions to do this.

I already have the cable, esys etc and have done some coding on my car but I want to enable the extended Bluetooth on my wife's F25.
Step 1. Change FA from 6NH to 6NS:
E-Sys - How to change FA in F-series car.pdf
Step 2. VO Code Head Unit and standalone Combox (CMB_MEDIA) if present:
Connect => Read FA (VO) => Activate FA (VO) => Read SVT (VCM) => Right-Click on Head Unit ECU (e.g. HU_NBT, HU_CIC, HU_CHAMP, HU_ENTRY, HU_ENTRYNAV, etc.) (the ECU itself not the underlying CAFD) => Select CODE (Not Code FDL).
Repeat Step 2 above for and standalone Combox (CMB_MEDIA) if present.

* Note: 6NS is used for newer Head Unit firmwares >= 07/13. For older Head Unit firmwares, use 6NK or 6NL if car is equipped with BMW Assist.
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Old 12-18-2013, 05:47 AM
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Was somebody successful doing this on F15?
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:04 PM
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Was somebody successful doing this on F15?
No - currently we F15 owners seem to be having issues with getting e-sys to read the car VCM. The cause (and hopefully solution) to this is currently being investigated.


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Old 12-20-2013, 07:30 AM
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How to change 6NH to 6NS, possible ?

Hi guys

I'm just going to do this coding on my F15 (via ECU rather than SVT due to other well documented issues!) but i have run into another issue.....

When I look at the FA list I don't have option 6NH! I have 6NR (apps I think) but no other 6N option.

Should I just add 6NS?

I obviously have the standard Bluetooth and USB audio (which I think is 6NH) so don't understand why it isn't listed??

Could it cause any issues if I add 6NS? Or would it just not work and worse case I just delete and recode?

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Old 12-21-2013, 06:32 AM
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Hi guys

I'm just going to do this coding on my F15 (via ECU rather than SVT due to other well documented issues!) but i have run into another issue.....

When I look at the FA list I don't have option 6NH! I have 6NR (apps I think) but no other 6N option.

Should I just add 6NS?

I obviously have the standard Bluetooth and USB audio (which I think is 6NH) so don't understand why it isn't listed??

Could it cause any issues if I add 6NS? Or would it just not work and worse case I just delete and recode?

Thanks!!

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Since 6NH is standard Equipment for ALL F15 builds, the 6NH Option Code does not appear in the VO. E-Sys and ISTA will know to encode it for 6NH based on the Chassis Code and Build Date. In contrast, cars where Basic Bluetooth isn't even standard equipment and the car comes equipped with 6NH, the Option Code will appear in the VO.

Yes, just add 6NS. You cant harm it, and you can easily remove it and return to factory coding.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:27 PM
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I went through the steps and edited the VO by changing the 6NH in SALAPA elements to 6NS. ie I edited the H to be an S.

I then coded the ECU etc.

Now the office menu appears and it shows SMS messages but there is no option for showing Bluetooth streaming.

What else do I need to do? Pair the phone for Bluetooth again? Code something else? Add 6NS into the SALAPA elements along with 6NH?
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:21 PM
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I went through the steps and edited the VO by changing the 6NH in SALAPA elements to 6NS. ie I edited the H to be an S.

I then coded the ECU etc.

Now the office menu appears and it shows SMS messages but there is no option for showing Bluetooth streaming.

What else do I need to do? Pair the phone for Bluetooth again? Code something else? Add 6NS into the SALAPA elements along with 6NH?
No. Just 6NS, not both.

Did you VO Code Head Unit and Combox if you had one with 6NS in the VO?

Is A2DP enabled on the Phone under your Bluetooth connection options?

Under iDrive, is Audio checked under both the Phone Option and the Bluetooth Option?
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:16 PM
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I have VO coded the head unit. What do I do to the combox.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:36 PM
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Re: How to change 6NH to 6NS, possible ?

I believe you need to unpair your phone and re pair it :-)
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Old 12-27-2013, 06:04 AM
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I have VO coded the head unit. What do I do to the combox.
Same thing. You need to also VO Code CMB_MEDIA.
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:09 PM
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Still no luck with the full enhanced Bluetooth.

Unpaired and repaired the phone and no difference.

Went to VO code CMB_Media but could see no such thing so did HU_NBT again.

Can see the office menus etc but when you configure the Bluetooth devices the only option is Telefon and not audio and data etc so no Bluetooth streaming etc.

Do I have to code anything in the HU_NBT to make it work. What am I missing?
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:13 PM
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Still no luck with the full enhanced Bluetooth.

Unpaired and repaired the phone and no difference.

Went to VO code CMB_Media but could see no such thing so did HU_NBT again.

Can see the office menus etc but when you configure the Bluetooth devices the only option is Telefon and not audio and data etc so no Bluetooth streaming etc.

Do I have to code anything in the HU_NBT to make it work. What am I missing?
Combox is built into NBT Head Unit, so you have no standalone CMB_MEDIA.

There is nothing more to do than VO Code NBT with EBT Option in VO.

Have you tried pairing a different phone to see if it works?
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:28 PM
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I have tried pairing and unpairing 2 iPhone 5s which both work perfectly in my F07 with enhanced Bluetooth.

Whereas my F07 gives an option when configuring for data and audio as well as Telefon for the F25 all I get is Telefon.
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:47 PM
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And you are 100% positive that:

1) The modified VO was written to the car.
2) You are VO coding the head unit and not FDL Coding it.
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:24 PM
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Yes I am sure VO was written to the car as I can now see the Office menu which was not there before.

I am positive I have been coding the head unit and not FDL coding it.

I am going to have one more try coding the head unit again but before doing it again I will unpair all devices first.
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The latest update on my tale of woe.

I had the Office menu and messages working.

Deleted all devices and modified VO back to 6NH and coded the HU_NBT head unit.

Office did not appear in the menu.

Modified VO back to 6NS and coded the HU_NBT head unit.

Office appears in the menu however I cannot get messages to work. Now when I pair the iPhone 5s and click on the connection in the phone Bluetooth section the option to show notifications does not appear. When I click on the connection for my F07 it does. It is very frustrating as the messages were working before.

The Bluetooth audio did not work. However I went to the media menus and then options and it gave me the option to turn on Bluetooth audio. When I did this the Bluetooth audio worked well.

However still no messages. I have paired and deleted many times but no change. Any tips.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:17 PM
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The F07 has CIC and the F25 has NBT?

Have you tried 6NK instead of 6NS?
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:05 AM
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F07 is definitely NBT.

6NS is definitely correct for the F25 straight from the specification guide when I ordered it.
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F07 is definitely NBT.

6NS is definitely correct for the F25 straight from the specification guide when I ordered it.
NBT in a 2012? I didn't think it came out that early.

Is F07 6NK or 6NS?
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