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F07 Gran Turismo (2010 - Current)
The 5 Series Gran Turismo -- now available in the USA as a 535i, 550i and 550i xDrive model.

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Old 08-24-2015, 06:59 AM
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How to open panorama window without rolling out roof

Hi there, don't you anybody know if there is a way to open panorama window with roof cover still closed? I have little problem on drivers side where roof cover leaves rails at back/end side and squeeze a bit while rolling in and out and I want to check if it is repairable or is it on the way to exchange soon
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Old 08-26-2015, 01:22 PM
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Hi

I had to have my roof repaired 6 months ago, the roller blind completely replaced.

you cant get the glass to go back without the roller blind going back but I think you can remove the glass. from inside the car there is two pieces of concatenered rubber, if you remove these there are then three star key (torx) screws that need removing both sides this should allow the moving glass part to be removed this may allow you to fix the roller blind. Its held down by double sided tape. hope this helps.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:16 PM
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LyndonJGT, thx for a tip. My roller blind is not fixed in rail at the end, last 10cm. I mean the end under non moving glass :/ . Do I understand correctly the roller blind is only glued on double sided tape? Damn it must separated on very hot sunny day here It was the reason I wanted to open just glass to see how it is there going and how fixed and to see if it is repairable. If it is only glued on tape maybe it could be repaired inserting new one part of double sided tape between roller blind and pulling base on that 10cm... but I don't know how to push it to bond together while it is under non moving glass. Maybe insert tape and roll roller blind fully out and let be for few hours and after it roll back in....but it is not sure way and maybe risky. I will make a picture of my damaged part to clarify my question fully.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:48 AM
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So, this is it...

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Old 08-27-2015, 01:50 PM
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Unfortunately this looks like how mine went but mine came away at the front therefore it then sagged down in the middle. I think the back solid glass also can be removed the same way as the moving part but the whole roof line has to be removed, big job I wouldnt fancy doing it. I had mine repaired under warranty by a none BMW garage sunroof specialist. It cost 700 for new roller blind and cage. I looked into to this at the time and you will find this is quite common, cant believe BMW stuck it down with doublesided tape
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:02 PM
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cant believe BMW stuck it down with doublesided tape
quite ridiculous considering the temperature swings it is exposed to...definitely not a "lifetime" of the vehicle design for such a simple mechanism that should have no issues lasting said lifetime.
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:35 PM
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quite ridiculous considering the temperature swings it is exposed to...definitely not a "lifetime" of the vehicle design for such a simple mechanism that should have no issues lasting said lifetime.
You realize that nearly all of the exterior trim is held down with double-sided tape? Much of the car is held together with adhesives as well. NOt saying that they made the best choice there, but selecting the right one, and longevity is not an issue.

As an aside, the 'Big Dig' in Boston (where they depressed the interstate through the middle of downtown), in one of the tunnels, the contractor used the wrong epoxy to hold up the concrete roof panels...one eventually came loose, crashed down on a car and killed a couple of people. Cost many millions of dollars to redo all of those connections on the hanger bolts. The designer had spec'ed the correct one (which, history says would have worked), but the contractor chose to use a different one he thought was equivalent (dumb move cost them lots in fines).

The car is fairly stiff when compared to some others, but I wonder if trying to open the thing while maybe sitting on uneven surfaces or with the hatch and maybe a few doors, with the (small, but still there) twisting of the body, puts a bit too much stress on things, and the fabric detaches. Having any door or the hatch open reduces the stiffness of the vehicle, and could make the twisting worse, which might make retracting the shade rub and catch on something.
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:42 PM
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You realize that nearly all of the exterior trim is held down with double-sided tape? Much of the car is held together with adhesives as well. NOt saying that they made the best choice there, but selecting the right one, and longevity is not an issue.

As an aside, the 'Big Dig' in Boston (where they depressed the interstate through the middle of downtown), in one of the tunnels, the contractor used the wrong epoxy to hold up the concrete roof panels...one eventually came loose, crashed down on a car and killed a couple of people. Cost many millions of dollars to redo all of those connections on the hanger bolts. The designer had spec'ed the correct one (which, history says would have worked), but the contractor chose to use a different one he thought was equivalent (dumb move cost them lots in fines).

The car is fairly stiff when compared to some others, but I wonder if trying to open the thing while maybe sitting on uneven surfaces or with the hatch and maybe a few doors, with the (small, but still there) twisting of the body, puts a bit too much stress on things, and the fabric detaches. Having any door or the hatch open reduces the stiffness of the vehicle, and could make the twisting worse, which might make retracting the shade rub and catch on something.
Of course, but the exterior trim and door seals are not putting the adhesives in constant tension...the roof headliner is and when you combine that with temperature variation and mechanical impacts combined with (most likely - based on customer complaints) not enough surface area for adhesion you have failure.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:31 AM
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Ugh, you said 700? :/ Are they mad? For what? For 1,5m of blind roof? 8-{ Blind roof which has really not very well concept by design?
I still hope it could be repaired instead of exchange, it is absolute ok still without damage but the blind roof leave its place at the end. So I am afraid it could be damaged one day if I leave it as it is. I will look for step by step manual how to access it and try to repair...

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Old 08-28-2015, 02:51 PM
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From what others have said, there's a lot of things that need to be removed to access the roof blind, so the labor is quite high. THen, BMW prices on many things are exorbitant (some are surprisingly inexpensive, though), especially if it's not a high volume, common design component.
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Old 08-29-2015, 04:17 AM
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Welcome to the club
Mine sufferers similar fate and came to 804 to replace through main dealer
Unfortunately access is limited and it's a roof lining down job

Re http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=732098
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Old 08-31-2015, 04:13 AM
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Strange that our so good, so high tech and so expensive cars have some crazy bugs like this and BMW is not friendly to repair it if not for free at least at low cost while it is their bad design what damaged the part I do not want to pay 700-900 pounds for exchange of not broken blind roof system which is only badly double tape fixed so better to stop using panorama roof to prevent blind-roof total leave rails...
Thank you friends for explanations andlink to old thread which I did not find before...
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:24 AM
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Hi some news by me. I have found the man who sold me new roof blind cheaply so I will change it soon. I will make step by step guide with photos... But anybody have the step by step diy guide how to properly remove/install ceiling? I am very worry to not make any damage to the white ceiling. As techs told me, removing panorama glass is not so complicated and sunblind rollo is also easy to change but the worst is work with ceiling....

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Old 12-28-2015, 07:38 AM
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On page 2 of the link, I posted a draft!

But never got past writing before opting for dealer repairs,

Good luck & have plenty of those surgical gloves at hand to keep things clean !
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Old 12-28-2015, 08:00 AM
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Oh, yes, I forget...thank you
You wrote:
"So having priced the parts 267 for shade and circa 50 for x2 seals I'm planning my attack on replacement DIY style
Update to follow, though any pointers on how to remove head liner appreciated!
So far, I've learned
0. Open all doors and strip out boot floor, disconnect battery
1. Remove all grab handles x4
2. Remove both sun visors
3. Remove ans peel back door seals
4. Remove front screen, side airbag badge to reveal single torx bolt, manipulate front window trims from clips
5. A B pillar trims are held on with pop studs, remove lower trim piece and manipulate off clips, leave hanging from seat belts
6. Remove rear parcel shelve trims - to further investigate
7. Rear trim is held in with clips/ pop studs ??
8. Remove microphone cover plates and courtesy light cover plates, held on with clips, under lenses there are torx fittings front and rear
9. Around the pano roof opening is a series of push style clips, trim lever these off (gently)
10. Prod and pull roof lining down, carefully checking for clips / screws

After this it gets hazy as to whether or not the entire pano roof assembly has to be removed and stripped to facilitate shade change out, from realoem, it looks like the roller is mounted with x2 torx screws, though to be appraised at time of destruction
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Old 12-28-2015, 10:40 AM
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Only 700 Pounds!

Mine had the metal coil roller thing, that came undone because of the tape, come apart. On both sides. To have it replaced, the local FLL BMW place estimated 6K US$ to fix it. Not sure what to do at this point. Not feeling very happy about the car.
Any suggestions? I can post some pics when I get back to the country if anyone has a suggestion.
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:51 AM
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Try this site :
http://www.etk*****bmw/EN/accessories/BMW

fcpeuro.com - relatively cheaper pricing
Don't know much about them, never used, from my time researching
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:53 AM
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Yes @leandrobaca, post some pics, maybe we could find some help then...

My roller sunblind is on the way to me, when I will have it, I will continue with preparations and I will post maximum details....

But there are more ways to repair/replace.. replace just only sunblind roller, change roller+electromotor, change complete panorama frame with sunblind rollo and with or without glass parts... What they told me it sound like very simple to detach glass sunroof only with 3 pins to fix position and then remove glass and absolutely easy change sunblind on 4 screws. After whole process there must be some little calibration process. Biggest work is with roof lining detaching.

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Old 01-05-2016, 09:48 AM
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So, my new roof sunblind rollete is here... less than 200 including electromotor and screws ...time to prepare for exchange. I am still searching for detailed step by step guide at least for roof lining part to be sure about every steps and not freeze on a half way...
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:24 AM
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So am I correct in assuming the top portion of this picture is located at the rear of the vehicle and the sun blind is only attached via the few cm of black plastic at the front? I'm guessing the black rectangular area fits into a guide rail and is pulled forward/back?

I wish I could help you with the roof lining, but the wife would have my backside if she found out I tore apart her roof lining just to help a fellow 'fester

I do look forward to a write up on this from you, I believe it will be a valuable DIY for many others in the future.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:44 AM
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Here more pics and later I will make more detail pictures...
...and daders do not test your wife patience I am sure we could do it without torture Better way when somebody could look at TIS or BMW service documentation...and run out with this guide

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Old 01-07-2016, 07:55 AM
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Now I have service guide... it is really not looking like an easy job
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Now I have service guide... it is really not looking like an easy job

This is one job I would not attempt. You seem to have obtained a replacement for less than what the dealer would charge. Would the dealer not install it for you guaranteeing the labour only?
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:52 PM
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Fish23 ...after reading all those service sheets I am really thinking about asking BMW dealer for price for only exchange my own parts ...
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Old 01-16-2016, 04:34 PM
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Price for only replacement of my own new sunblind by BMW dealer is tamtadadaaaaa 380

My friend from Slovakia made it self this weekend.. without service manual... 7hours of work and some problems and some broken minor parts but finally successfully. I have some pictures from him.

Today I also have collected all files and parts of service manuals to replace sunblind into one document... not tested yet so it is just theory but very detailed and helpfull ... I can send if anybody need....
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