Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)

X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #226  
Old 09-12-2012, 09:04 PM
tonka858 tonka858 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: san diego
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 340
Mein Auto: 2011 x5d
i would to go with the turbo..
Reply With Quote
  #227  
Old 09-13-2012, 07:17 AM
jashearer jashearer is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Gold Coast, QLD
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 746
Mein Auto: Holden Wagon & Sedan
Quote:
Originally Posted by serge1 View Post
The Cayenne S Diesel has as much chance to make it to USA as does M50d.
By the way, M50d vehicles are .4 second quicker, despite having 3.0 (vs 4.8) displacement, and being generally heavier than Cayenne. The Diesel S has more torque though.

Would be interesting to see how all that plays out on the track. Give me x5/x6 m50d vs Cayenne S Disesel video!
I didn't catch that it was being withheld from us.... Lame.
__________________
Rover - 2013 Holden Commodore SV6 Sedan
Clark - 2013 Holden Commodore Sport SV6 Wagon
Brumby - 1955 Holden FJ Ute
Reply With Quote
  #228  
Old 09-14-2012, 09:46 AM
serge1's Avatar
serge1 serge1 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: seattle
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 708
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW X5 35D
..Meanwhile


Audi SQ5 2013 Road Test
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tes...013-road-test/
"Making use of two turbochargers, the 2,967cc 3.0-litre TDI produces 313PS and 650Nm of torque between 1450pm and 2800rpm.

It doesn't hang about either, with performance that would embarrass many hot hatches. Acceleration from 0-60mph takes just 5.1 seconds, which is more than half a second quicker than a BMW X3 xDrive35d M Sport"


It appears Audi is catching up (in this case caught up) to BMW in terms of diesel torque/hp/acceleration. Could be be seeing these engines in Q7, etc?
Reply With Quote
  #229  
Old 09-14-2012, 09:54 AM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
Speaking of Audi... the automaker put a '12 Q7 TDI in my driveway yesterday so I can tool around in it for the next week... I've only put about 20 miles on it, but rather pleased I chose the X5 35d at the moment.

- Mike
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Autoblog_Q7-TDI.jpg
Views:	59
Size:	156.0 KB
ID:	341808  
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #230  
Old 09-15-2012, 07:55 AM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,576
Mein Auto: '06 X3
But does it have the new 240 hp diesel that is touted for the new VA(P)G "big" SUV's this next MY year ('13)? Since it probably does not -- being a '12 -- it seems kind of strange they would be giving you "old" stuff to test drive. It will be interesting to see you impressions of it compared to the Alaskan Cayenne (minus the bear of course) driving experience.
Reply With Quote
  #231  
Old 09-15-2012, 08:09 AM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Quote:
Originally Posted by serge1 View Post
..Meanwhile


Audi SQ5 2013 Road Test
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tes...013-road-test/
"Making use of two turbochargers, the 2,967cc 3.0-litre TDI produces 313PS and 650Nm of torque between 1450pm and 2800rpm.

It doesn't hang about either, with performance that would embarrass many hot hatches. Acceleration from 0-60mph takes just 5.1 seconds, which is more than half a second quicker than a BMW X3 xDrive35d M Sport"


It appears Audi is catching up (in this case caught up) to BMW in terms of diesel torque/hp/acceleration. Could be be seeing these engines in Q7, etc?
The regular Q5 TDI is supposed to do a sub 6 0-60. I'm excited
Reply With Quote
  #232  
Old 09-15-2012, 08:10 AM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
But does it have the new 240 hp diesel that is touted for the new VA(P)G "big" SUV's this next MY year ('13)? Since it probably does not -- being a '12 -- it seems kind of strange they would be giving you "old" stuff to test drive. It will be interesting to see you impressions of it compared to the Alaskan Cayenne (minus the bear of course) driving experience.
Yeah, MY13s got the new engine with the Aisin 8speed
Reply With Quote
  #233  
Old 09-15-2012, 08:11 AM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emission View Post
Speaking of Audi... the automaker put a '12 Q7 TDI in my driveway yesterday so I can tool around in it for the next week... I've only put about 20 miles on it, but rather pleased I chose the X5 35d at the moment.

- Mike
After having my X5 for the year, I appreciate the more compact footprint of the X5,, but I do miss how spacious my old Q was. I couldn't have the parking sensors and rear camera on my Q and it was a pain in the ass to parallel park here in Boston.
Reply With Quote
  #234  
Old 09-15-2012, 11:13 AM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
This loan was for a road trip this weekend, so I didn't care about the model year. However, I was called to Germany this week (leaving in a couple hours), so those plans were put on hold.

The Q7 rides well, but the seating position is lower and further back (like a big sedan). Fuel economy has been 16.8 mpg (vs. 20.1 mpg in my X5 35d over the same driving). My kids say the X5 second row is larger and more comfortable.

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #235  
Old 09-15-2012, 11:49 AM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emission View Post
The Q7 rides well, but the seating position is lower and further back (like a big sedan). Fuel economy has been 16.8 mpg (vs. 20.1 mpg in my X5 35d over the same driving). My kids say the X5 second row is larger and more comfortable.

- Mike
Not sure if this is true though. There is a huge hump in the middle, but other than that, the 2nd row in the Q is way more spacious and comfortable. Seats recline and move back and forth. Not a fixed bench, like the BMW.


The Q7's interior is also a cut above the BMW in fit and finish.
Reply With Quote
  #236  
Old 09-15-2012, 12:00 PM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Not sure if this is true though. There is a huge hump in the middle, but other than that, the 2nd row in the Q is way more spacious and comfortable. Seats recline and move back and forth. Not a fixed bench, like the BMW.


The Q7's interior is also a cut above the BMW in fit and finish.
The kids haven't figured that part out yet.

Fit and finish is much better in the Q7, but ergonomics are a disaster (who puts a "STOP" button in a car?).

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #237  
Old 09-15-2012, 12:06 PM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emission View Post

Fit and finish is much better in the Q7, but ergonomics are a disaster (who puts a "STOP" button in a car?).

- Mike
Yup, there's some stupid things in the car that pissed me off. Why the need for a start AND stop button? Why not just one? And the MMI knob scrolls down the wrong way, it's backwards.

The worst thing is the stupid cup holders

Reply With Quote
  #238  
Old 09-15-2012, 05:27 PM
ChuckGr ChuckGr is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 316
Mein Auto: X5 35D
Porsche Announces the Cayenne S Diesel, Most Powerful Oilburner on the Market
By Christian Stampfer on 15 September 2012
Share
Porsche will soon add a second diesel model to its Cayenne line-up. The Porsche Cayenne S Diesel will join the current Cayenne Diesel and the Panamera Diesel to become the companies third diesel-powered model. The new Cayenne S Diesel will win Porsche the title of the most powerful diesel automobile.

The 4.2-liter eight-cylinder diesel engine offers a total power output of 382 hp (281 kW) and produces an enormous amount of torque, 626 pound-feet (850 Nm), which is even more than the Cayenne Turbo. Acceleration from 0 – 100 km/h (0 – 62 mph) is accomplished in 5.7 seconds. The Cayenne S Diesel’s top speed is 252 km/h (156 mph).

With its powerful V-8 diesel engine, it beats the BMW X5 M50d by one horsepower and 80 pound-feet of torque, using a twin-turbocharged V-8 as opposed to BMW’s triple-turbocharged six-cylinder. The 4.2-liter V8 is derived from Audi’s V-8 TDI engine, and a 340-horsepower version is available in the Volkswagen Touareg in some markets.

Porsche promises an average fuel economy of 8.3 l/100 km (28.3 mpg) and CO2 emissions of 218 g/km, although official estimates have yet to be released. If the Porsche Cayenne Diesel can live up to the promised fuel figures, it will have a range of over 1,200 km (745 miles) when equipped with an optional 100-liter (26.4 U.S. gallon) fuel tank.

The Porsche Cayenne S Diesel will go on sale in January 2013 in Germany with a base price of €77,684 Euro including 19% VAT, which represents an increase of more than 15.000 euro over the standard Cayenne Diesel. Porsche has not yet said if it will offer the Cayenne S Diesel will in the U.S.
Reply With Quote
  #239  
Old 09-15-2012, 06:28 PM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckGr View Post
Porsche Announces the Cayenne S Diesel, Most Powerful Oilburner on the Market
By Christian Stampfer on 15 September 2012
Share
Porsche will soon add a second diesel model to its Cayenne line-up. The Porsche Cayenne S Diesel will join the current Cayenne Diesel and the Panamera Diesel to become the companies third diesel-powered model. The new Cayenne S Diesel will win Porsche the title of the most powerful diesel automobile.

The 4.2-liter eight-cylinder diesel engine offers a total power output of 382 hp (281 kW) and produces an enormous amount of torque, 626 pound-feet (850 Nm), which is even more than the Cayenne Turbo. Acceleration from 0 – 100 km/h (0 – 62 mph) is accomplished in 5.7 seconds. The Cayenne S Diesel’s top speed is 252 km/h (156 mph).

With its powerful V-8 diesel engine, it beats the BMW X5 M50d by one horsepower and 80 pound-feet of torque, using a twin-turbocharged V-8 as opposed to BMW’s triple-turbocharged six-cylinder. The 4.2-liter V8 is derived from Audi’s V-8 TDI engine, and a 340-horsepower version is available in the Volkswagen Touareg in some markets.

Porsche promises an average fuel economy of 8.3 l/100 km (28.3 mpg) and CO2 emissions of 218 g/km, although official estimates have yet to be released. If the Porsche Cayenne Diesel can live up to the promised fuel figures, it will have a range of over 1,200 km (745 miles) when equipped with an optional 100-liter (26.4 U.S. gallon) fuel tank.

The Porsche Cayenne S Diesel will go on sale in January 2013 in Germany with a base price of €77,684 Euro including 19% VAT, which represents an increase of more than 15.000 euro over the standard Cayenne Diesel. Porsche has not yet said if it will offer the Cayenne S Diesel will in the U.S.
It wouldn't make sense to make the announcement yet... standard Cayenne Diesel models just went on sale last month. Maybe for 2014...

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #240  
Old 09-15-2012, 08:00 PM
pa50i pa50i is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: PA
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 199
Mein Auto: '13 X5 M
I don't get this idea of putting the start (and/or stop) button on the middle console instead of on the dash, like the X5, for example. It seems to me a safety factor to keep the engine start and stop control up and away from the middle flat center console of a vehicle. Seeing as how many things get casually put down on or around the center console, cell phones, coffee mugs, kids tossing something from the rear seat..I don't like the idea of engine control buttons on that area.
Reply With Quote
  #241  
Old 09-16-2012, 02:31 PM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Man, I've really warmed up to the Cayenne. Just gotta keep this X5 for another year or so

If the TDI S came out here, I'd put a deposit down now
Reply With Quote
  #242  
Old 09-16-2012, 03:28 PM
finnbmw's Avatar
finnbmw finnbmw is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Atlanta, GA
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 847
Mein Auto: 2010 & 2012 X5 35d
A bit off-topic, but here's an interesting bit of info from the Porsche web site listing their approved tires (summer/winter) for the different models including Cayenne.

http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessori...sanddownloads/
Reply With Quote
  #243  
Old 09-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
I'm in Germany until Tuesday, but it looks as if my story will run Monday at noon (EDT). I just did final edits.

Look for it at Autoblog: www.autoblog.com

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #244  
Old 09-17-2012, 10:44 AM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/17/2...-review-video/

I'm off to dinner. Back in four hours...

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
  #245  
Old 09-17-2012, 10:46 AM
AutoUnion's Avatar
AutoUnion AutoUnion is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: East Coast
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,228
Mein Auto: German
Woohoo! It's finally up

Good write up. I'm surprised that other sites haven't published any reviews yet.
Reply With Quote
  #246  
Old 09-17-2012, 10:55 AM
11leven 11leven is offline
Registered User
Location: BAY AREA,CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 73
Mein Auto: 2012 X5d
Nice and simple - good job Mike
__________________

2012 X5d...with all possible pks & flowers...
Reply With Quote
  #247  
Old 09-17-2012, 12:07 PM
solstice solstice is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Seattle
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,328
Mein Auto: 2015 F80 M3
Yeah, good review. Different question, apparently the white color on the 2013's as the one you had is new for the model year. It looks like a pretty clean white from your pictures like the Audi white without much if any yellow hue. Was that your impression as well that the white is close to that of the Q7 you have now or a bit more off-white like the BMW AW? Weird question I know but there is no white 2013 at our local dealer and we are thinking of going white this time. The 21 inch wheels on your test vehicle makes little sense on an SUV to me. We will be getting the 18 wheels ( optional five spokes ). Although they look a bit sad we will need this for our use which will include off-road driving and blasting over huge gravel pot holes in the mountains in winter on backroads with slush,ice and snow with the usual hidden stuff that can messup a rim and send earth quakes through the chassi on low profiles. Also we want to have the option to fit regular chains. The 18s are 55 profile which should be ok even if 60 or 65 would be better.

Last edited by solstice; 09-17-2012 at 12:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #248  
Old 09-17-2012, 12:18 PM
serge1's Avatar
serge1 serge1 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: seattle
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 708
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW X5 35D
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoUnion View Post
Man, I've really warmed up to the Cayenne. Just gotta keep this X5 for another year or so

If the TDI S came out here, I'd put a deposit down now
Sounds like you are not switching to Cayenne Disels (non-S)...
Reply With Quote
  #249  
Old 09-17-2012, 01:47 PM
smyles smyles is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: DC
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 682
Mein Auto: X5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emission View Post
P.S. - I drove a Tesla Model S (VIN 0001!) tonight. Talk about a game-changer! Story next week...
I read you story on Tesla - all their claimed numbers, like 0-60 in 3.9 sec or "stunningly low .24 drag coefficient" - have they been independently verified?

And no offense, but if there's a car to be in the Smithsonian museum, it should be Prius. As much as we hate them and their drivers, Toyota did change the industry. Low production overpriced wanna-be sport sedan with an iPad-like thingy in the central panel has a lot to prove before it's even considered. Imho, of course.
Reply With Quote
  #250  
Old 09-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Emission's Avatar
Emission Emission is offline
Automotive Monomaniac
Location: North of Los Angeles, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,690
Mein Auto: Schnelle Autos
Quote:
Originally Posted by smyles View Post
I read you story on Tesla - all their claimed numbers, like 0-60 in 3.9 sec or "stunningly low .24 drag coefficient" - have they been independently verified?

And no offense, but if there's a car to be in the Smithsonian museum, it should be Prius. As much as we hate them and their drivers, Toyota did change the industry. Low production overpriced wanna-be sport sedan with an iPad-like thingy in the central panel has a lot to prove before it's even considered. Imho, of course.
I never said the Prius won't be in a museum... I am very careful about how I word things.

- Mike
__________________
I am fortunate to have unique press cars delivered weekly, but I own:

'13 Audi Q5 2.0T Quattro 8AT
'15 Volkswagen Golf TDI 6MT
'86 Porsche 911 Turbo 4MT


Gone, but never forgotten... my E70 X5 35d, E90 335i, E46 330i, E36 328i, E70 X5 3.0si, E53 X5 3.0i.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Read my work as Editor-in-Chief for Autoweb!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
diesel, porsche, x5


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms