X5 35d vs. Porsche Cayenne Diesel

Originally Posted by UncleJ

David, the Cayenne Turbo ($104K) is more than the X5M ($85K) but the new GTS should be slightly less coin than the "M" -- a bargain! Porsche does what Porsche does because they can. The customers line up and the stores sell everything they get their hands on. The resale reflects this too. I am not ashamed to admit I lust for a Cayenne (or any other Porsche) in my heart (a la Jimmy C.) and will probably get one when the new diesels come out.

Lightly optioned GTS is around 95k. I don't know that I ever saw a Turbo for less than 125k. Base prices are not very meaningful with Porsche. Makes BMW look like a bargain. I see some inventory building for Panamera but it appears Cayennes are still selling like hot cakes in my neighborhood. GTS' seem more rare than Turbos, for both Panamera and Cayenne.

I just checked local.Porsche inventory for Cayennes. None are under like $65k

+1! Even the service loaner Cayennes are up there. To get a base you have to order it yourself and wait. Although that way you will get what you want, in the right color and interior.

Originally Posted by tribecaX5

Ard - I've been in this forum for a few weeks and to be honest, I only remember your name and the reason why is because your posts are quite annoying. You might want to tone down a bit with the negativity. Or maybe that's just your nature.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by AutoUnion

Now only if this engine was coming to the US market too. They could put it in the A8, Touareg, Panamera, Q7, etc

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/po...ive-42687.html

I would pony up $$$ for a V8 TDI Cayenne

me too

Nice car as is the GTS and the diesel

Dealer profit on base Cayenne $5754.00 Dealer profit on base X5 $4905.00.. If you are conservative on the options you can drive a Cayenne at a good price if you can find a dealer that will order you one for 500.00 over invoice..

Originally Posted by jerryjash

Dealer profit on base Cayenne $5754.00 Dealer profit on base X5 $4905.00.. If you are conservative on the options you can drive a Cayenne at a good price if you can find a dealer that will order you one for 500.00 over invoice..

I don't think Porsche dealers ever deal up from invoice like BMW dealers do.

When I was looking at Cayennes last year, they were going for $1k off sticker. That's about it. If you didn't buy it, someone else would, so dealers are not willing to go lower

+1! They can sell every Cayenne they can get their hands on -- so why discount? The only "discounts" I have been able to find are on the super expensive Turbos -- they will negotiate a bit on those. However if you can afford one of those, the chance is you won't need to negotiate! I have been looking at some off lease Cayennes that have come up from the Beverly Hills area in SoCal. Pristine cars, look like virtually no one ever drove them except for the valets at Ivy, and maybe a road trip to Santa Barbara or Palm Springs. Those can be had for a decent price, but I have a thing about "used" cars -- however I may have to rethink that.

i was seriously considering PC prior to my 2011 550 xi M
checked 4-5 large dealership in tri-state area, best deal on 83K PCS was 80K but, that was a few months after PC was introduced and appetite for these cars was less, in any case they do not talk from invoice up, but rather from MSRP down
in retrospect i wish i proceed with PC, to many issues with 550 and much less fun.................

Originally Posted by jerryjash

Dealer profit on base Cayenne $5754.00 Dealer profit on base X5 $4905.00.. If you are conservative on the options you can drive a Cayenne at a good price if you can find a dealer that will order you one for 500.00 over invoice..

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

I don't think Porsche dealers ever deal up from invoice like BMW dealers do.

When I was looking at Cayennes last year, they were going for $1k off sticker. That's about it. If you didn't buy it, someone else would, so dealers are not willing to go lower

I also hope Porsche dealers will allow you to negotiate in a BMW manner; however, it doesn't work this way for them. Porsche dealers are as underdogs as Porsche drivers in the hand of Porsche - they are required to pay a number of fees to Porsche (Euro delivery fees, fees for additional allocations, and annual contributions). 1000 off seems reasonable, even for repeated customers, and possible invoice pricing (if you were to purchase two cars at the same time with one of the cars at MSRP). Although PC is not as popular as X5 in the States, it is rather popular among a niche market and the demand for PC is extremely high overseas (e.g. the time between ordering the PC and delivery usually ranges from 8 months to 12 months).

Went to the local Porsche dealer the other day to check out the Cayenne (no diesel yet on the lot) to get a feel for it. No test drive, just sat in one. Interior was OK, albeit a bit "busy" instrumentation, but no "wow-factor" for me. For my needs (business vehicle) I will be looking for something else. Especially when the sales person told me the diesels will be selling for MSRP. When I asked why, he said, quote, "because we can".

As a side note, I was surprised to learn that there are only two Porsche dealers in Georgia, both of them in Atlanta, about 10 miles apart.

Checked cars.com for new X5's and Cayenne's nationwide (no idea how accurate the numbers are nor how useful the information is):

There are 4241 new X5's available throughout US, while there are 755 new Cayenne's...

Oh dear. I just configured a diesel Cayenne on the USA web site and it got up to over $95k.

Originally Posted by zero4588

I also hope Porsche dealers will allow you to negotiate in a BMW manner; however, it doesn't work this way for them. Porsche dealers are as underdogs as Porsche drivers in the hand of Porsche - they are required to pay a number of fees to Porsche (Euro delivery fees, fees for additional allocations, and annual contributions). 1000 off seems reasonable, even for repeated customers, and possible invoice pricing (if you were to purchase two cars at the same time with one of the cars at MSRP). Although PC is not as popular as X5 in the States, it is rather popular among a niche market and the demand for PC is extremely high overseas (e.g. the time between ordering the PC and delivery usually ranges from 8 months to 12 months).

Traditionally, Porsche drivers are technically more wealthy. The target audience for the PC was for 911 drivers and their families. They can command the extra price and people will buy it because its a Porsche.

Originally Posted by finnbmw

Checked cars.com for new X5's and Cayenne's nationwide (no idea how accurate the numbers are nor how useful the information is):

There are 4241 new X5's available throughout US, while there are 755 new Cayenne's...

Not surprised. The X5 is made here and the Cayenne has trouble keeping up with demand. The Audi Q7 and PC are almost always sold to order around my parts because they just don't make enough.

I'm very happy with my 2012 X5 Diesel. I will be buying a 2013 BMW Diesel or a Porsche Diesel.The way I would equip a PC would sticker for 61,220.00 and I will buy it for 55,295.00..I figure this is about 5,000.00 more for the PC... The main reason I am considering a Porsche is the interior..I don't think the Porsche is engineered any better than the BMW.. To me it is a matter of styling.

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

OP, if you are buying, it's not a bad idea to get the BMW. I say this because my X5 was $62k (sold for $54,XXX). A Cayenne TDI priced with the same toys and such was over $70k and the dealer is offering a max of $1k off sticker (even after buying multiple cars from them).

A X5 might be almost $20k less, which is a considerable chunk of change. Next time around, I might swing the extra coin for the Porsche, but the E70 is a fantastic option.

If the Cayenne TDI was around last year, I would be driving a Porsche. People can call me a badge whore, but Porsche does have more brand prestige than BMW and with that comes some ridiculously priced options.

The BMW is basically the second best driving car in its class. I love my E70, but there's just something else about the Cayenne. If you can afford it and are willing to pony up, life is short, enjoy yourself. The Cayenne TDI will be a rare car.

+1

Exactly what he said.

- Mike

As I mentioned in another post... I have driven the Cayenne Diesel in Europe (it is slightly different) and I will be driving the U.S.-spec model in Alaska in a month at a media event.

Based on my initial experience (about 250 miles mixed Autobahn/city), the Cayenne is a bit slower but it handles better than the X5 35d — thank basic physics and suspension tuning. (I did 145 mph in the Cayenne Diesel... )

- Mike

Mike - will be looking forward to your review of the new Cayenne diesel. I was wondering, do they even HAVE a Porsche store in Alaska? OTOH, the Cayenne would be the perfect Porsche for that environment -- along with domestic 4WD iron! Too bad it is not a comparo with the other diesel SUV's, including the new Jeep GC oil burner -- that would be interesting!

Originally Posted by UncleJ

Mike - will be looking forward to your review of the new Cayenne diesel. I was wondering, do they even HAVE a Porsche store in Alaska? OTOH, the Cayenne would be the perfect Porsche for that environment -- along with domestic 4WD iron! Too bad it is not a comparo with the other diesel SUV's, including the new Jeep GC oil burner -- that would be interesting!

http://anchorage.porschedealer.com/

Looks like they do

Originally Posted by Emission

Based on my initial experience (about 250 miles mixed Autobahn/city), the Cayenne is a bit slower but it handles better than the X5 35d — thank basic physics and suspension tuning. (I did 145 mph in the Cayenne Diesel... )

- Mike

How much slower is what I'm curious about. It's only down about ~20hp, but is a good deal lighter and has a quick shifting 8 speed ZF box.

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

http://anchorage.porschedealer.com/

Looks like they do

They have two new cars in stock, I guess the market for the 911 is not that great up there.

I have been trolling this forum for a while as I contemplate buying a X5 latter this year...to be honest this thread has caused me to lose some confidence in the opinions of some of the frequent posters. I read all the trash put on the VW Toureg as a bad handler
and weak engine...but bring up the Porche Cayenne Diesel and presto ..."wunderlust" I know all of you here know that they share the same engine, transmission and chasis... so tell me how does the handling go from below BMW standard in a Toureg to worth 15K more when your change the sheetmetal shape and put on that badge ? I did test the TouregTDI, X5-35d and the Cayenne (Hybrid) , since the Cayenne was the Hybrid I could not relate to the performance..but for those that raved about the interior of the Cayenne ,, I assume you ignored the most important part of the interior ...."The Seats" You cant tell me the Cayenne seats get close to the 20 pos "multicontour" The other issue is interior room... I really felt "crampted" in the Cayenne , but I am a wide body 6'3.

I do realize that the look and badge issue is obviously a big deal for many here , but when it comes to functionallity of the engine , transmission and suspention, I would expect some consistancy when comparing the Toureg and Cayenne , particularly when the Loaded Toureg TDI is less than $60 K. The one very valid point made here that led me away from the Toureg was that the service dept of most VW dealerships were not prepared for the demands of the "high-end" consumer.

Ahh, this is gonna be interesting to pick apart. First up, welcome to BFest

Originally Posted by Whippa

I have been trolling this forum for a while as I contemplate buying a X5 latter this year...to be honest this thread has caused me to lose some confidence in the opinions of some of the frequent posters. I read all the trash put on the VW Toureg as a bad handler
and weak engine...but bring up the Porche Cayenne Diesel and presto ..."wunderlust" I know all of you here know that they share the same engine, transmission and chasis... so tell me how does the handling go from below BMW standard in a Toureg to worth 15K more when your change the sheetmetal shape and put on that badge ?

20 hp less is hardly "weak." Just because they are built on the same chassis doesn't mean they are the same car. Let's remember that the Touareg has a significantly better interior than a BMW X5

You really think Porsche just keeps the basic Touareg suspension in the Cayenne? Let's be real here. The Porsche Cayenne is the benchmark in this segment. Always will be. The BMW is second best. I love BMW as much as the next guy here, but Porsche is clearly superior

I did test the TouregTDI, X5-35d and the Cayenne (Hybrid) , since the Cayenne was the Hybrid I could not relate to the performance..but for those that raved about the interior of the Cayenne ,, I assume you ignored the most important part of the interior ...."The Seats" You cant tell me the Cayenne seats get close to the 20 pos "multicontour" The other issue is interior room... I really felt "crampted" in the Cayenne , but I am a wide body 6'3.

Porsche offers like 3-4 diff't seat options on the Cayenne. Sport seats, Comfort seats, go try them and get back to me.

I do realize that the look and badge issue is obviously a big deal for many here , but when it comes to functionallity of the engine , transmission and suspention, I would expect some consistancy when comparing the Toureg and Cayenne , particularly when the Loaded Toureg TDI is less than $60 K. The one very valid point made here that led me away from the Toureg was that the service dept of most VW dealerships were not prepared for the demands of the "high-end" consumer.

Making a point that the Touareg is very similar to a Cayenne shows how clueless you really are. Porsche employs the use of much more aluminum to cut down weight and the engines aren't just the same as the VW equivalent. The base V6 has been upgraded to put down more power in the Porsche and the TDI is also slightly diff't than the Treg version.

The Porsche Cayenne is available with significantly more advanced chassis technology than either BMW or VW. PASM, PTV, PCCB, among other things.

Originally Posted by Emission

the Cayenne is a bit slower but it handles better than the X5 35d —

Apples to apples? or AD to whatever P offers? just curious.

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