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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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btw - I forgot to mention, STUPID TO THE HIGH HEAVENS THROWING AWAY FORTY YEARS OF HARD WON BRAND IDENTITY BY CALLING THIS CAR A 4 SERIES. People are still pissed they dropped the "ci" designation for the coupes. Someone at BMW corporate, please pull your head out your butt and learn something. Keep the irreplaceable 3 Series name and bring back the "ci" designation for the coupes (and "cic" for the 'verts).

BMW recently recognized as the MOST VALUABLE BRAND IN THE WORLD and they are too stupid to recognize a huge part of that is the 3 Series, including the coupe, and the ///M3, which virtually every person on the planet associates with a coupe or convertible.

This 4 Series crap is a bigger corporate identity blunder than New Coke!!! The entire 3 Series history is built on the two door 3er. Without which there would be no 3 Series sedan at all!!! This "4 Series" is NOTHING SHORT OF BMW BLASPHEMY. It is shameful to the brand.

I guess I ought to email this rant to BMW.

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Old 07-13-2012, 07:07 PM
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BMW 4 series coupe 440 spied testing

The all new 3 series coupe, which is being re-branded as a 4 series coupe will debut as a model year 2014 in the summer of 2013. BMW has been busy testing the base model 428i coupe rumored to have the same turbo 4 cylinder N20 that is available in the current 2012 and 2013 328i. The big engine 4 series coupe will have the turbo 6 cylinder N55 found in the 21012 and 2013 335i sedan but the power will be bumped to the 320hp range.

The 4 series test mule spied here is the N55 powered 440i coupe with a power bump to 320hp. The power bump is part of BMW's strategy to move the coupe up market from the 3 series sedan creating a distinction between the sedan and coupe markets as they have done with the 5 and 6 series. The 4 series coupe will come with more standard features and a higher base price furthering the gap between the 3 series sedan and 4 series coupe
2014 BMW 4 series coupe

Much of the 4 series coupe design is still under wraps as we're just under a year out. While this cars headlights are clearly test car units the final F32 coupe will have a headlight design that mimics the F30 3 series sedan, wrapping all the way from the fender to the kidney grills. The grills will be much wider then the 3 series sedan with a look similar to the 6 series coupe. At the rear the trunk lid has been styled to wrap into the rear window. The big engine 440i retains the split, left and right single exhaust were the 428i will have a left side dual exhaust.

As we get closer to the press launch of the 4 series coupe the camouflage will start to drop off the 4 series so stay tuned for more and more revealing spy shots of the 2014 4 series coupe. Based on the size and general lines you can see so far, do you think the 4 series coupe is going to be HOT or NOT?
Where is the proof that any of this info is true,i say no way.BMW is just going to throw out the window all the history they have with there number one brand by calling the 3 series coupe a 4 series.An M3 being called a M4,yuck.
The only thing I hope you are right about is if it looks like a mini 6 series,as long as the headlights look like the 6 series and not the F30 sedan.
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btw - I forgot to mention, STUPID TO THE HIGH HEAVENS THROWING AWAY FORTY YEARS OF HARD WON BRAND IDENTITY BY CALLING THIS CAR A 4 SERIES. People are still pissed they dropped the "ci" designation for the coupes. Someone at BMW corporate, please pull your head out your butt and learn something. Keep the irreplaceable 3 Series name and bring back the "ci" designation for the coupes (and "cic" for the 'verts).

BMW recently recognized as the MOST VALUABLE BRAND IN THE WORLD and they are too stupid to recognize a huge part of that is the 3 Series, including the coupe, and the ///M3, which virtually every person on the planet associates with a coupe or convertible.

This 4 Series crap is a bigger corporate identity blunder than New Coke!!! The entire 3 Series history is built on the two door 3er. Without which there would be no 3 Series sedan at all!!! This "4 Series" is NOTHING SHORT OF BMW BLASPHEMY. It is shameful to the brand.

I guess I ought to email this rant to BMW.

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Where is the proof that any of this info is true,i say no way.BMW is just going to throw out the window all the history they have with there number one brand by calling the 3 series coupe a 4 series.An M3 being called a M4,yuck.
The only thing I hope you are right about is if it looks like a mini 6 series,as long as the headlights look like the 6 series and not the F30 sedan.
A: "i have a M4."
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:03 PM
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Where is the proof that any of this info is true,i say no way.BMW is just going to throw out the window all the history they have with there number one brand by calling the 3 series coupe a 4 series.An M3 being called a M4,yuck.
The only thing I hope you are right about is if it looks like a mini 6 series,as long as the headlights look like the 6 series and not the F30 sedan.
+1 - I've seen nothing from BMW to indicate this is true and I HOPE you are correct. It is truly beyond my comprehension they could be so stupid to throw away 40 years of their number one brand identity. Whether it is true or not the idea was clearly conceived by someone smoking crack.
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btw - I forgot to mention, STUPID TO THE HIGH HEAVENS THROWING AWAY FORTY YEARS OF HARD WON BRAND IDENTITY BY CALLING THIS CAR A 4 SERIES. People are still pissed they dropped the "ci" designation for the coupes. Someone at BMW corporate, please pull your head out your butt and learn something. Keep the irreplaceable 3 Series name and bring back the "ci" designation for the coupes (and "cic" for the 'verts).

BMW recently recognized as the MOST VALUABLE BRAND IN THE WORLD and they are too stupid to recognize a huge part of that is the 3 Series, including the coupe, and the ///M3, which virtually every person on the planet associates with a coupe or convertible.

This 4 Series crap is a bigger corporate identity blunder than New Coke!!! The entire 3 Series history is built on the two door 3er. Without which there would be no 3 Series sedan at all!!! This "4 Series" is NOTHING SHORT OF BMW BLASPHEMY. It is shameful to the brand.

I guess I ought to email this rant to BMW.
Agreed. These same rumors swirled with the e9x line. In the end we never got a 4 did we?
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:19 PM
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This is just speculation of a 4-Series. And its towing a trailer that has Audi TT taillights lol
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:10 AM
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All I can really say is I really hope they dont call the 3 coupe a 4.. And I also hope that BMW knows that no one really approves of the idea, and I bet people are just going to rebadge their 4s
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Thanks for the pics. I check all the time just waiting for someone to post some coupe spy pics. Still a little hard to tell what it looks like, but at least its less like a Mustang than the original pics looked like. Wow, next summer is a long way away!!
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I think their intention of the 4 Series is to take the coupe and convertible more upscale (meaning even more expensive) and because it's a 4 rather than a 3, you'll feel justified in paying it. It will be interesting to see what the pricing is like compared to the F30 if they do call it a 428i/435i.
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how is it possible to know what engine is in a test mule just by looking at it?
Good point. You can't say whether it is N55 or M57. This is in Europe, both are very rare, but N55 reaches the rarity of a unicorn.

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Don't forget, this is a German company. Any language that can come up with a single word "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübert ragungsgesetz" in it's language will have not problems BMW 328 Xdrive Coupe blah blah blah.
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Good point. You can't say whether it is N55 or M57. This is in Europe, both are very rare, but N55 reaches the rarity of a unicorn.
yeah none of the facts in the OP are substantiated. how can anyone possibly know that the test mule has an N55, or that it's been bumped to 320 hp?

OP, if you have sources for these claims, please cite them. if not, please do not post speculation as certainty.
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yeah none of the facts in the OP are substantiated. how can anyone possibly know that the test mule has an N55, or that it's been bumped to 320 hp?

OP, if you have sources for these claims, please cite them. if not, please do not post speculation as certainty.
I too would like to know the source of the info as everything up until this point has been speculation. Even my dealer who is pretty sure its going to be a 4 series still doesn't have hard info on it. That said, Tim has been around here for a long time (11 years) and is an administrator. I don't think he'd post something that was purely speculation.
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unless proven otherwise, i can only consider these claims to be speculation. i am sure the OP has a sterling reputation around here, but that doesn't magically make sourceless information into fact.

the change from 3 to 4 series, the nomenclature of 440, the engine specifications... i don't see how anyone could know it just from some pictures.
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unless proven otherwise, i can only consider these claims to be speculation. i am sure the OP has a sterling reputation around here, but that doesn't magically make sourceless information into fact.

the change from 3 to 4 series, the nomenclature of 440, the engine specifications... i don't see how anyone could know it just from some pictures.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. I too would like to see the source info. Really just for the 4 series part at least. All the info I've seen says its going to be a 4 series. I've seen nothing anywhere, nor has my dealer, that its going to be another 3 series, much as I think I wish it would be. So his info at least fits with everything else we've all seen.
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Yes, the nomenclature is clear (mostly) to "insiders", but not to the general public. You give the general public WAY TOO much credit. Most can barely tie their shoes in the morning.

btw, it's the Samsung Galaxy S III.
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Maybe it's the 228 ? Seriously, I've been looking at Porsche lately and they raise the hell out of prices and don't call the 911 a 1011. A lightly optioned 911S Cab, the new 991, had an MSRP of 120k ! BMW is scared to death of raising prices, they just cheapen the cars. It might be the right business decision but as a car person I don't like it.
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unless proven otherwise, i can only consider these claims to be speculation. i am sure the OP has a sterling reputation around here, but that doesn't magically make sourceless information into fact.

the change from 3 to 4 series, the nomenclature of 440, the engine specifications... i don't see how anyone could know it just from some pictures.
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I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. I too would like to see the source info. Really just for the 4 series part at least. All the info I've seen says its going to be a 4 series. I've seen nothing anywhere, nor has my dealer, that its going to be another 3 series, much as I think I wish it would be. So his info at least fits with everything else we've all seen.
We know there will be a BMW M4. The BMW NA CEO specifically stated BMW will build an M3 and and M4 at Bimmerfest in May. If there is going to be an M4, then there has to be a 4 series to base it off of.

You can call it "speculation" if you want, but this is based on a lot of research. I spend a good deal of time discussing the future of BMW with both people at BMW, who can only say so much. And other automotive journalists who have a good sense of where the auto market and BMW are going. The writing is on the wall, I'm connecting A, B and C.

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We know there will be a BMW M4. The BMW NA CEO specifically stated BMW will build an M3 and and M4 at Bimmerfest in May. If there is going to be an M4, then there has to be a 4 series to base it off of.

You can call it "speculation" if you want, but this is based on a lot of research. I spend a good deal of time discussing the future of BMW with both people at BMW, who can only say so much. And other automotive journalists who have a good sense of where the auto market and BMW are going. The writing is on the wall, I'm connecting A, B and C.
So, BMWNA is officially stupid.
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I don't get all the fuss. What BMW did to the steering of their new models was far more damaging to the brand than calling a 3 series couple, a 4 series could ever be. Then there was the X6 and 5GT.

Also in the US, the models that spend the least time on the lot are the X3 and X5. In the suburbs of NYC, the X5 can hard to find on dealer lots.
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I don't get all the fuss. What BMW did to the steering of their new models was far more damaging to the brand than calling a 3 series couple, a 4 series could ever be. Then there was the X6 and 5GT.

Also in the US, the models that spend the least time on the lot are the X3 and X5. In the suburbs of NYC, the X5 can hard to find on dealer lots.
Think New Coke. You don't spend decades building a brand and then flush it down the toilet for the sake of newness.
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