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Old 07-13-2012, 11:21 AM
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F30 3 Series Powered by Diesel 2.0L and 3.0L Engines Headed to the US

BMW F30 3 series gets diesel power

BMW has confirmed that diesel engines are coming to the US! BMW is sending the existing single turbo 2.0L from the European "20d" 3 series and an all new twin turbo 3.0L engine. Both engines will come with the 8 speed automatic found on the gas powered F30 sedan and touring. It looks like manual fans are once again left without an option. The diesel engines use the existing BLUETEC urea additive system to meet ever tightening emissions standards.

BMW was light on saying exactly what models would be getting these engines and when. Our guess puts the launch vehicle in the US to be the all new F30 3 series. We are waiting for "official" confirmation from BMW and will bring you all the details once we have it.

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:35 AM
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Absolute deal sealer. I was on the fence between the F31 and the Allroad (current A4 Avant driver and fan) but the optional diesel makes this no choice at all. I'll be interested to see how much of a premium both motors are over base, but probably better to go with the 3.0 liter despite the extra because the car will run FOREVER. Ever notice how many 30-year old Mercedes diesels are still puttering around?

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:50 AM
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And here are my thoughts on this......I'm very glad, but........If BMWNA wants to compete with the Merc E Class, and they should want to do that, after all that's what the F10 is all about, they need to offer a diesel motor in the 5er......and they need to stop dragging their feet and bring the 5er wagon to the U.S. Every day they don't do these two things they hand more of their customers and sales to Mercedes on a silver platter. It makes them look completely stupid.

3er enthusiasts may get excited about having a diesel in the 3er, but in the real world it is 5er buyers who would actually buy a diesel in sufficient numbers to increase the likelihood of the offering turning a profit. In this segment it is Merc E Class buyers who really want a diesel. BMW specifically targeted enticing E Class buyers into the roundel fold with the F10. Then BMWNA chose to ignore a significant segment of the E Class consumer base by not giving them a diesel option. They then further thumbed their nose at their own base, in addition to the E Class buyers, by refusing to import the 5er wagon in spite of the fact that those 5er wagon buyers have made it abundantly clear that no matter the wonderfulness of the 5er GT, it is not the car they want. Mercedes executives must be giddy every day as they look at their daft competitor.
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This is joy. It almost makes my eyes water!
Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous 550i GT!!!!!!!!! Almost makes my eyes water.
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There you have it. Proof positive!! I rest my case.
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This offered in the 3 series touring could make me accept the automatic transmission.
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Love the idea hate the execution. If they brought that 3 liter with a manual I would not just lease it but buy it on the spot and keep it until the wheels come off. Damn it BMW I thought your slogan was the ultimate driving machine. What better than a 3 liter diesel trubo, 280 Horses with 450 lbs of torque and a slick manual. You guys suck.

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Hope I am not offending someone but it doesn't do it for me. LOVED the E39, especially the M5.
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Love the idea hate the execution. If they brought that 3 liter with a manual I would not just lease it but buy it on the spot and keep it until the wheels come off. Damn it BMW I thought your slogan was the ultimate driving machine. What better than a 3 liter diesel trubo, 280 Horses with 450 lbs of torque and a slick manual. You guys suck.

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I am actually impressed that the new 8AT can even handle that kind of torque. That's nuts for an automatic "sporty" transmission.

Having driven manual transmission cars nearly my entire adult life (over 300K miles on manuals over a span of about 20+ years) I understand where you are coming from.

The new 8AT though is a great transmission. Drive one for a while, you'll get over it about the 6MT.
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I've driven many of the newer diesels in Europe and they are generally excellent. However the N20 is so good it will be interesting for me to see how the smaller diesel compares to N20 in terms of power/economy/driveability, taking into account the premium they are likely to charge for it, and the difference in fuel cost diesel vs gas in the US.
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I've driven many of the newer diesels in Europe and they are generally excellent. However the N20 is so good it will be interesting for me to see how the smaller diesel compares to N20 in terms of power/economy/driveability, taking into account the premium they are likely to charge for it, and the difference in fuel cost diesel vs gas in the US.
on paper, the 320d is about 1.5sec slower 0-100kmh than the 328i.
The 328i also uses about 35% more fuel. Around here diesel and premium fuel are about the same price, so the 320d would be much cheaper to operate.

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I am actually impressed that the new 8AT can even handle that kind of torque. That's nuts for an automatic "sporty" transmission.

Having driven manual transmission cars nearly my entire adult life (over 300K miles on manuals over a span of about 20+ years) I understand where you are coming from.

The new 8AT though is a great transmission. Drive one for a while, you'll get over it about the 6MT.
VOIP I am just letting go a 2009 C350 Sport with the 7 speed AT (now I am sure for every day driving the BMW 8-speed AT is much better). HATED every minute and this car otherwise was the most reliable luxury car I have ever had. Almost 3 years, just 2 oil changing trips to the dealer. Between the vague steering however and the auto tranny I never liked it to the point where the MB dealer offered me a killer deal on the new C350 with the new 301 HP engine and said hell no. I just can't do it man.

I did test drive the 335 auto in the drive for USA event. Honestly for me I didn't feel that much better from the MB transmission. A little more responsive, less searching for gears yes but not that much where I would not consider and or demand a manual.
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Love the idea hate the execution. If they brought that 3 liter with a manual I would not just lease it but buy it on the spot and keep it until the wheels come off. Damn it BMW I thought your slogan was the ultimate driving machine. What better than a 3 liter diesel trubo, 280 Horses with 450 lbs of torque and a slick manual. You guys suck.

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If it were up to you guys BMW would have gone out of business many years ago. Instead they constantly strive to meet the demands of the market while providing products that match their historic automobile design principles.

Exactly how many other car companies are you aware of that offer an eight speed automatic transmission supplied by ZF? I believe Audi is the only other company.
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I think it is wonderful BMW will be offering Diesels. It is something I would seriously consider buying, if it is offered with a manual transmission. Sorry, I have no interest in the automatic transmission.

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Absolute deal sealer. I was on the fence between the F31 and the Allroad (current A4 Avant driver and fan) but the optional diesel makes this no choice at all. I'll be interested to see how much of a premium both motors are over base, but probably better to go with the 3.0 liter despite the extra because the car will run FOREVER. Ever notice how many 30-year old Mercedes diesels are still puttering around?
Puttering around with how many miles though?

Whether gas or diesel, these engines will outlast the cars. The core engine itself won't cause problems if well maintained. It is all the surrounding stuff, starting with PCV/vacuum hoses and valves, ignition coils, sensors, alternators, belts, water pumps, etc., that will start falling apart and that will need preventive maintenance to make the core engine last "forever." I have an ancient 2002 1.8T and I should hit 240Kmiles in the next couple of days. I am not worried about a cracked block or a throw rod. It is all the peripheral stuff that I keep an eye on.

If the E90 is any indication, the diesel models may come at a huge premium, partly because of all the extra plumbing US-bound ones seem to need, perhaps partly because of a perceived high demand for them.
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Exactly how many other car companies are you aware of that offer an eight speed automatic transmission supplied by ZF? I believe Audi is the only other company.
I don't think either one of us said BMW should sell manuals only. Especially the 3-series however in any form they should have the manual available, it is in Europe its not that they will need to design a entire car from scratch. And you know what keep telling yourselves out there the 8 AT is a better choice. Its not for guys like us.
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I don't think either one of us said BMW should sell manuals only. Especially the 3-series however in any form they should have the manual available, it is in Europe its not that they will need to design a entire car from scratch. And you know what keep telling yourselves out there the 8 AT is a better choice. Its not for guys like us.
It costs like $4 million to certify each transmission with the Feds. BMW doesn't think they'd sell enough manuals to make money on it, and they're probably right. Blame massive govt regulations and the American car buyer's disdain for manuals.
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