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Old 07-15-2012, 10:14 AM
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Question Can someone please help me understand the price difference?

I am a perspective BMW owner. Not yet. I admire BMW cars, especially the X5 and I watch the online forum and was trying to find an opportunity to buy one.

Recently I saw a lot of deals posted online. the 35d is traded at about -10.5K from MSRP. Extreme cases we see even more aggressive discount. (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...2/1964#MSG1964)
I have a couple of friends. One lives in TX, who got 10K off. I have the dealers name so I call him and mentioned my friend, he told me he can offer that price to me. There were no special BMWFS or BMW sponsored program, just the 4500 Eco and everything else is dealer "
agreessiveness" Another friend of mine got a deal in west coast at close to 10K off.

Now the question is, I shopped around a few dealerships in north CA and really no one is willing to provide similar discount. The best I can push for is about 9K off. Knowing I have to buy the same thing for 1000-1500 more (meaning I am 1000-1500 more stupid than my friends) would make me feel bad so I may have to move on to another car, but I hope I can get some answers here. If there are structural reasons why cars in north CA are always more expensive than cars in TX, NJ or even some other part of the west coast, and such reasons are acceptable to me, then I will just bite the pain and pay 1500 more.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:02 AM
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I am a perspective BMW owner. Not yet. I admire BMW cars, especially the X5 and I watch the online forum and was trying to find an opportunity to buy one.

Recently I saw a lot of deals posted online. the 35d is traded at about -10.5K from MSRP. Extreme cases we see even more aggressive discount. (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...2/1964#MSG1964)
I have a couple of friends. One lives in TX, who got 10K off. I have the dealers name so I call him and mentioned my friend, he told me he can offer that price to me. There were no special BMWFS or BMW sponsored program, just the 4500 Eco and everything else is dealer "
agreessiveness" Another friend of mine got a deal in west coast at close to 10K off.

Now the question is, I shopped around a few dealerships in north CA and really no one is willing to provide similar discount. The best I can push for is about 9K off. Knowing I have to buy the same thing for 1000-1500 more (meaning I am 1000-1500 more stupid than my friends) would make me feel bad so I may have to move on to another car, but I hope I can get some answers here. If there are structural reasons why cars in north CA are always more expensive than cars in TX, NJ or even some other part of the west coast, and such reasons are acceptable to me, then I will just bite the pain and pay 1500 more.
Please help!
Again thanks!
Well, you can always buy a Cayenne and pay MSRP like the rest of the P-car drivers. Or you can try contacting some of the forum sponsors and find out what they have to offer. Try emailing Jon of Santa Barbara.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:03 AM
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The best I can push for is about 9K off.

Knowing I have to buy the same thing for 1000-1500 more (meaning I am 1000-1500 more stupid than my friends) would make me feel bad so I may have to move on to another car,

then I will just bite the pain and pay 1500
What's wrong with $9k off

The extra $2-3k off your "friends" obtained, most likely was related to the other additional incentives at that time: loyalty, Drive USA, BMWCCA. Since I imagine this would be your first bimmer, you would not qualify for loyalty or BMWCCA.

IMHO, if it's all about the deal, then you should consider another brand. Have you driven the car? That may help justify the extra $$$
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:15 AM
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Yes I rented a 35i for some days and drove it to lake Tahoe during the winter. It is a decent car. I was impressed.

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What's wrong with $9k off

The extra $2-3k off your "friends" obtained, most likely was related to the other additional incentives at that time: loyalty, Drive USA, BMWCCA. Since I imagine this would be your first bimmer, you would not qualify for loyalty or BMWCCA.

IMHO, if it's all about the deal, then you should consider another brand. Have you driven the car? That may help justify the extra $$$
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:39 PM
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When I was shopping last month there were at least $2500 or more in incentives above the ECO as others have said, and BMW Finance had a $500 credit if you scheduled a test drive with an iPhone app, but that required a current BMW finance account. The dealer adds whatever they want to the discount pool, so it depends as well on how bad they want to move the 35D as well. It seems the supply of readily available 2012s is drying up, so maybe they aren't dropping their pants as far. If the dealer in TX will match the price he gave your friend, then there is your 10K off, but travel expense and bringing the vehicle in to Ca. will quickly dissipate that savings. The dealers that discount deeper are the ones that have the unit on the lot, if you have them bring it in the deal won't be as good either. If it is important to you to be that far off the sticker, then maybe you should check the Jeep Grand Cherokee - they give those away.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:45 PM
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i would say it is more than decent car it is a great one
but try to test drive 35D, VERY DIRREFENT FEEL AND DRIVE
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:10 PM
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The OP is saying HE can get $10k in texas, but only 9k off here in northern CA... so this is apples to apples. (ie not comparing his deal to his friends (different) deal)

There is no 'structural' reason.

It is the Bay Area Effect: Too many buyers; too much money; lots of folks that cannot or will not negotiate.

You will need to shop around- chico, Roseville, Fresno, easy bay. Actaully give Jason Burger at east bay a call.

Oh, DO figure out what INVOICE price is, then take off all the discounts and incentives and add $500 dealer profit- THAT is where you should be..roughly.

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Old 07-15-2012, 04:32 PM
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If there are structural reasons why cars in north CA are always more expensive than cars in TX, NJ or even some other part of the west coast, and such reasons are acceptable to me, then I will just bite the pain and pay 1500 more.
Please help!
Honestly, you are wondering why a car (or anything) s more expensive in the Bay Area than Texas?

Real estate, taxes, utilities, salaries, etc.....
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:02 PM
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Yes I rented a 35i for some days and drove it to lake Tahoe during the winter. It is a decent car. I was impressed.
Why are you thinking of buying just a "decent car"? Like ard said, more demand, more money around, a different ball game here in the Bay Area. Greg in the L.A. area (a sponsor here with a great reputation) will give you a great discount and ship the car to you in Nor Cal. I bought mine (two) from Peter Pan BMW and I paid a bit more than what Greg offered but there were other considerations in play. I wouldn't zero in on the discount you can get - worry more about whether or not this is a car that you will absolutely love. The 35d and the 35i are worlds apart in how they feel when you drive them.
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Its all about demand in the different areas. They can't keep X5s in stock around here. You get a discount, but no where near 10-12k people here have been getting.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:27 AM
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There are 8 BMW stores in the greater Bay Area -- all have lots of X5's in stock and all are dealing. That said, you should try our fest founder, Jon down in Santa Barbara -- jon@bimmerfest.com he can give you as good a deal as you will get anywhere I am sure. In the meantime why not visit the Porsche store on Stevens Creek and drive the new Cayenne. No worries about deals from them because there won't be any!

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:24 AM
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you might want to try Southern California, they usually have better deals.
Pacific BMW usually has very good deals, you just have to shop and talk to the right person
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:27 AM
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The truth is virtually EVERY dealership will sell a car at a killer price- one time or another. It really is a marketplace where prices fluctuate up and down as buyer and seller come together.

Many times you just need to catch the right salesman at the right time, and his sales manager needs to be willing to fill up some slots.
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Being a "regular" person, I don't think I've ever really asked for discount or anything. I go to the dealership and see the Asian salesperson, and I take whatever price I'm offered... I want the car and the price I'm offered is reasonable, so I buy it. I don't shop around different dealerships or whatnot. Does that make me stupid?
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Does that make me stupid?
No, not stupid. Something else.
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Being a "regular" person, I don't think I've ever really asked for discount or anything. I go to the dealership and see the Asian salesperson, and I take whatever price I'm offered... I want the car and the price I'm offered is reasonable, so I buy it. I don't shop around different dealerships or whatnot. Does that make me stupid?
No, it makes you have more money to throw around than the rest of us
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Being a "regular" person, I don't think I've ever really asked for discount or anything. I go to the dealership and see the Asian salesperson, and I take whatever price I'm offered... I want the car and the price I'm offered is reasonable, so I buy it. I don't shop around different dealerships or whatnot. Does that make me stupid?
Stupid? Perhaps not, because it looks like you know you are throwing away your money.. Lazy? Yes. It takes aobut 30 minutes to save the 3, 5, or $10K on the purchase of a car. Even if you have money to burn. . . why don't you just give it to charity instead?
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I am a perspective BMW owner. Not yet. I admire BMW cars, especially the X5 and I watch the online forum and was trying to find an opportunity to buy one.

Recently I saw a lot of deals posted online. the 35d is traded at about -10.5K from MSRP. Extreme cases we see even more aggressive discount. (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...2/1964#MSG1964)
I have a couple of friends. One lives in TX, who got 10K off. I have the dealers name so I call him and mentioned my friend, he told me he can offer that price to me. There were no special BMWFS or BMW sponsored program, just the 4500 Eco and everything else is dealer "
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Now the question is, I shopped around a few dealerships in north CA and really no one is willing to provide similar discount. The best I can push for is about 9K off. Knowing I have to buy the same thing for 1000-1500 more (meaning I am 1000-1500 more stupid than my friends) would make me feel bad so I may have to move on to another car, but I hope I can get some answers here. If there are structural reasons why cars in north CA are always more expensive than cars in TX, NJ or even some other part of the west coast, and such reasons are acceptable to me, then I will just bite the pain and pay 1500 more.
Please help!
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have you spoken to Jon Shafer @ BMW Santa Barbara ... ???
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There are 8 BMW stores in the greater Bay Area -- all have lots of X5's in stock and all are dealing. That said, you should try our fest founder, Jon down in Santa Barbara -- jon@bimmerfest.com he can give you as good a deal as you will get anywhere I am sure. In the meantime why not visit the Porsche store on Stevens Creek and drive the new Cayenne. No worries about deals from them because there won't be any!
+1 I stopped f-ing around with the bay area dealers and went to Jon, got a killer deal (ordered a car from factory) and had a nice drive back up Rt 1 ...
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So, you admire BMW's, expecially the X5, but the fact that your friend spent a grand less than you potentially would, is driving you away?? Are you serious?? If yes, I am sure there is a medication that could be prescribed to you by your doctor.
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When I was shopping for my x5, the Northern Cali dealers were much much less willing to negotiate, compared to Southern Cali.
N.Cali dealers had same deals as Seattle area - not much.
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When I was shopping for my x5, the Northern Cali dealers were much much less willing to negotiate, compared to Southern Cali.
N.Cali dealers had same deals as Seattle area - not much.
I remember when I was shopping for my first BMW. The dealer down in Palo Alto literally laughed at my offer, shook my hand and said good luck. So I went up the street to San Mateo and the dealer there was happy to take that same offer.

Now that I think about it, the purchase of my 2nd BMW went much the same way, except with 2 dealers in Phoenix.
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have you spoken to Jon Shafer @ BMW Santa Barbara ... ???
Thanks for mentioning my name Larry!

Unfortunately, upping the Eco-Credit increased the sales rate, and we sold out our entire pipeline of diesels in June. Hopefully our next allocation on 7/25 we get a bunch more, but that is doubtful with the current delivery stop/campaign in effect. Now there is a parts shortage, and even if you find one, the dealer cannot deliver it to you until the work is done (and the dealer can't get the parts).

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Old 07-23-2012, 07:55 AM
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Chief, they still do that -- I think it is part of the salesman's lore (except for Jon) or something. BTW, I don't recall a BMW store in Palo Alto. Peter Pan in San Mateo of course, and then there was the Sunnyvale BMW store (later Mountain View), and of course the San Jose/Santa Clara BMW Stevens Creek store -- along with the others up the east side of the bay. Nothing in PA though in my memory.

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There is no BMW store in Palo Alto for sure. The closest is in Mountain View. Maybe you visited Tesla store
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