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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 09-05-2013, 07:51 PM
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320i or 328i; Purchase advice welcome! :)

Considering a 2014 320i or 328i; fuel economy and cost are top priorities.

Is there a real-world difference between the two in terms of fuel economy? How about power; the engines are the same, just tuned differently, right?

I live on Long Island. Does xDrive really make that much of a difference in the winter? Iím concerned it would hamper ideal fuel economy, plus it costs more.

Otherwise, is an automatic more fuel efficient than a manual (both driven appropriately)? I see thereís no extra cost for an automatic, but Iíd like for the car to have some personality. And is one transmission better in inclement weather?

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Old 09-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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Considering a 2014 320i or 328i; fuel economy and cost are top priorities.

Is there a real-world difference between the two in terms of fuel economy? How about power; the engines are the same, just tuned differently, right?

I live on Long Island. Does xDrive really make that much of a difference in the winter? Iím concerned it would hamper ideal fuel economy, plus it costs more.

Otherwise, is an automatic more fuel efficient than a manual (both driven appropriately)? I see thereís no extra cost for an automatic, but Iíd like for the car to have some personality. And is one transmission better in inclement weather?

Thanks!
If fuel economy and cost are top priorities, I'd stay with 320i. 328i gives more options and choices, but it will "eat" more and cost you more.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:40 PM
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I too am interested in the real world figures. Mostly in xDrive trim. (RWD in the snowbelt is asking for trouble)

At this point I'm leaning toward the 320 due to the better fuel economy and likely insurance savings.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:44 PM
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I too am interested in the real world figures. Mostly in xDrive trim. (RWD in the snowbelt is asking for trouble)

At this point I'm leaning toward the 320 due to the better fuel economy and likely insurance savings.
Two words - winter tires
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:47 PM
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Two words - winter tires
Winter tires aren't a substitute for xDrive, I have learned. I would still want xDrive even with winter tires.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:02 PM
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Based on your criteria dbs600, I'm inclined to recommend the very configuration I selected: 320i, rear-wheel drive, manual transmission. I presume Long Island has harsher winters than the mild ones typical in my home of Central Maryland, so tturedraider's recommendation to acquire winter tires for your car is prudent.

You are correct about the engine; BMW's N20 is used on both 320i and 328i. Bimmerfest has a parts number comparison between the 320i and 328i engines on this page.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
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What fantastic, prompt, informative replies, gentlemen!

Dilemma remains, but now leaning towards 320i...

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Not a specific recommendation for any particular model or drive configuration, but fyi - I recently drove a 320i xDrive 8AT and I had an absolute blast! I came away really liking that car!
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:13 AM
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To the OP

Yeah your first line said it all and answered your own question. for price and efficieny 320i is a no brainer, I have a 320i but I must say the 328i with 60 more hp due to more boost, not bigger motor would get the same or even better mileage. but the 320i is much cheaper in that respect, if you can do without the extra power the 320 is the way to go. Also i've lived in some pretty harsh winter locations. I know from experience, (not just what others think or heard from a friend,) that a 2wd with good winter tires will drive better than a 4wd on all-seasons in snow. all seasons are a compromise. they meet the government standard but that doesnt mean they actually perform in snow. good luck!
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What fantastic, prompt, informative replies, gentlemen!

Dilemma remains, but now leaning towards 320i...

Thanks!
If cost (fuel economy and pricing) if your absolute requirement then there should not be any dilemma, right?

A 320i with snow tires in winter is your best bet for the absolute lowest price/highest fuel economy in a 3-Series. Any other 3-Series will be at least $1000 more with less fuel economy rating.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:49 AM
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Thanks, f30jojo and Technic!
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:00 AM
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I feel like you answered your own question before posting.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:33 AM
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Here's a question:

Any word on projected resale value of the 320i vs. 328i? As in which one will hold its value better? Have to imagine the 328 would because the 320 is the new volume seller.

That could be a factor in "hidden cost savings."
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Here's a question:

Any word on projected resale value of the 320i vs. 328i? As in which one will hold its value better? Have to imagine the 328 would because the 320 is the new volume seller.

That could be a factor in "hidden cost savings."
Both cars eventually go to scrap value; the 328i does it from a higher starting point.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:46 PM
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Both cars eventually go to scrap value; the 328i does it from a higher starting point.
Right. But I'm talking buying CPO in a couple of years then trading it in before it expires.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:59 PM
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I grew up in Minnesota. here is a secret snow is not all that bad. Slow down a little bit and everything will be fine. Most the vehicles you see in the ditch are All wheel drives vehicles they drive fast catch some ice, and no matter how good your tires are or what your driving ice wins everytime all the time.
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320i has a $500 competitor conquest cash on top of the loyalty cash!

Same for X1 but no other models get a competitor conquest cash.

If you have another brand, can you just show the rep the registration to get a conquest cash ?
Or will they know you have a BMW already and deny you ?????
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Old 09-07-2013, 06:54 AM
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I feel like you answered your own question before posting.
Yes, still in between, but probably leaning towards a nicely loaded 320 vs. a more bare 328.

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I grew up in Minnesota. here is a secret snow is not all that bad. Slow down a little bit and everything will be fine. Most the vehicles you see in the ditch are All wheel drives vehicles they drive fast catch some ice, and no matter how good your tires are or what your driving ice wins everytime all the time.
Thanks, but I've been reading a number of threads and now leaning towards xDrive (don't see myself swapping around tires for winter).

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320i has a $500 competitor conquest cash on top of the loyalty cash!
Have some other cars in the household, but is conquest cash only for current leases or for ownership as well?

Thanks everyone!
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Have some other cars in the household, but is conquest cash only for current leases or for ownership as well?

Thanks everyone!
The $500 conquest cash offer for 320i is applicable to either financing or leasing through BMW Financial Services NA.

Details of offer

Best wishes in your car shopping, dbs600!
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320i or 328i; Purchase advice welcome! :)

Good choice on xdrive and all seasons. I've driven every combination and I find that the best option. You can get by just fine with that combination (and I live in a very hilly, curvy, part of NY - no replacement for AWD when you have to start half way up a steep hill or driveway). Winter tires are also a compromise for the many days of dry warmer weather that pop up all throughout the winter.

My vote is the 328 even though it goes against your objectives. I don't think the difference in mileage will outweigh the extra power.


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Old 09-07-2013, 12:59 PM
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Thanks, gkr778 and Trey100 on your insight and best wishes!

Have a great weekend, gentlemen. Will keep you posted!
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