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I agree, the back seats are very impressive and they even recline.

People the buy a Lexus want that smooth comfy ride as if you were floating on clouds. BMW drivers on the other hand prefer performance and the ability to feel the road.

I had a 08 460 and my Lexus dealer would pick up the car and take it in for service. I never took them up on that as I liked going to the dealer to see what all was new.
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Their new GS is really changing the game, it actually handles better than 5 series, and drives more like a "BMW". The new LS460 sport is pretty interesting too.

However, Lexus is really lack in their engines, the GS only produce 306HP and LS only has 386HP with the new Gen. Our cars can smoke it very easily.

Now if their new gen due in 2 years excels in handling and power department, I might have to give it my hard earn money.
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Equus shouldn't be in this equation, if there is any brand that German needs to be worry, it's Lexus.
They didn't worry about the Koreans with LCDs, semiconductors, phones, ships, and the lowly microwave oven. I usually think it's a little complacent not to be concerned with competition that is aggressive and cashed up.
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Their new GS is really changing the game, it actually handles better than 5 series, and drives more like a "BMW". The new LS460 sport is pretty interesting too.
I think we need to wait for the next generation cars. The current Toyota president's impact will be felt with those cars. Apparently he drove a lot of the development on the Toyota 86.
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No way does the GS handle better than a 550, it does not even come close. It's also ugly/slow, no response on the throttle and the 5 series is more comfortable. This photo says it all, Lexus is going downhill.




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So you think they will be 4th in sales after Benz, BMW, and Audi? By when? Do you think they'll go the way of Pontiac? Or just loss of sales and market share?

I personally think they'll turn the corner. They won't be like RIM and Nokia vs Apple. After all, they are a $250 billion company. In 50 years time, all bets are off. I'm not even sure BMW will still be independent by then.
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The GS direct competitor is 535i, 535i sport came in last and GS took the title in recent comparo, and as much as I hate GS's sonata rear, the interior is better than a standard 5 series. I personally drove the new GS and it's a big step forward in handling and interior design. For now, though, I think my BMW is better than any of the Lexus offering. Well, 400k LFA excluded.
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I think my BMW is better than any of the Lexus offering.
To be honest, I think that the F01 and F10 are more Lexus (or Mercedes) like than traditional BMW. My car is in for service, and they gave me an E93 328i today. The steering and controls are HEAVY. I had a F10 528i a week ago, and that was very similar in feel to the F01, except less refined. The controls of the 3 series are almost tiring - something to get used to again. I drove a Ferrari F430 about a week ago, back to back against a Lamborghini Gallardo. And the Gallardo's controls were much heavier, the heaviest of any car I've ever driven from memory (but not truck). The F430's controls were actually quite a bit lighter than the E93 - probably half way between the F10 and E93. I preferred the Ferrari.

The one thing about both the Lamborghini and Ferrari that were nowhere near as good as a BMW (or Lexus or Audi R8 for that matter), was the quality of the interior. The buttons, switchgear and trim were so mismatched in terms of consistency, design and quality. The plastics almost felt cheap. The leathers, are of course gorgeous.
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I'm not sure if they will still offer this when I move out to LA (very doubtful), but BMW of Dallas offers valet pickup. Just simply call their service department and ask for valet pickup, schedule time and date, and they will send a driver for your car. Had them pickup and deliver my car several times. I would guess other dealer's offer this service as well, just typically don't advertise it.
Doubt it. BMW service in LA is some of the ****tiest anywhere. Most won't even give loaners unless you bought the car there. The service out here is really the worst part about owning a bmw.
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Most won't even give loaners unless you bought the car there.
If you mention that at Santa Monica BMW, they think you're talking about the loners who hang out at the beach.
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Ha... SM BMW is the stingiest on loaners by far.
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I called and asked for a loaner this morning for warranty work, and the lady over the phone didn't even check the availability and told me there is no loaner for me!
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Guess people are just nicer in the Mid West. When I scheduled my service today, the service guy said he would have a car waiting on me when I arrived. I always assume they have a car for me when I take it in.

Does your dealers do the complimentary hand car wash? My son just got his license a couple of weeks ago and now he takes my car in to be washed. (we live about 3 miles from the dealer)
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As far as I know the BMW dealerships around here only wash the car if it's been serviced. I believe Lexus out here offers a complimentary wash anytime you want it.
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Yeah, here in vegas they only wash the car ( the job was bad anyway ) when the car is in service. Only Lexus washes the car whenever you take it in.
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My son goes early on Saturday morning while there are plenty of cookies and crap.
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No way does the GS handle better than a 550, it does not even come close. It's also ugly/slow, no response on the throttle and the 5 series is more comfortable. This photo says it all, Lexus is going downhillf


Nothing quite so desperate as taking pictures from ClubLexus and posting them on Bimmerfest. And if you think GS F-Sport is slow with no throttle response and less comfortable than the 5 series you haven't driven one.

On a positive note, for all you 7 Series owners, I think the 7 Series is the most attractive design and has the greatest presence of all the "luxo-barges" S Class, A8, LS460). I think it is aging quite well, especially in Alpina edition!
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^^^ agree and thanks. What's your username on CL?
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if you want a great riding car get a mercedes, Lexus or Huandai- - if you want to get behind the BMW.
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^^^ agree and thanks. What's your username on CL?
Same as here. I'd like to think I've gotten objective enough to post under the same name in multiple forums. Plus, I've owned BMW, Infiniti, Acura, Audi and Lexus, so I'm not a "fanboy" for any particular brand.
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Cool,your username does ring a bell since I was checking on 4gs forum quite often. We do have some members here are also members over at CL. Most of the members here, at least in f01 forum, are also owner of different brands. I guess we all just love fine cars.
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if you want a great riding car get a mercedes, Lexus or Huandai- - if you want to get behind the BMW.
Why wouldn't you want a great riding car? I commute with my car and I don't want to feel every bump as in something like a Corvette or Nissan GTR (or so I'm told). It gets tiring.

The 7s a luxury limo - it needs a smooth and composed ride. I drove the 7 back to back against a Benz S550. Honestly the ride was similar between the two, from memory. BMW could have made the suspension harder, but I think they didn't want to, since they want that luxuirous ride.

If you want a sporty suspension, I would say the B7 or AMG Benz should be your choice, not having driven either.
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Lexus is trying to market their cars to a younger market with the f sport package. They keep airing the ad for the new RX F sport during Olympic coverage up here and I have to admit, the RX F sport looks pretty darn nice. However, the issue for Lexus will be taking a chunk out of BMW's cashcow which is the 3 series. The IS-F didn't really do the trick, I've seen the refreshed version of the IS and it looks ok but can't understand why Lexus decided to go for the goofy LED lights and the coupe version failed. I personally don't think Lexus will ever come close to been a strong competitor to the 3 series, the battle in the 3 series segment will always be between the C Class & A4.
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I personally don't think Lexus will ever come close to been a strong competitor to the 3 series, the battle in the 3 series segment will always be between the C Class & A4.
What is the basis of that conclusion? Has there been a segment that Toyota/Lexus has entered, in the long term, that they have failed at? Trucks? Family sedans? Luxury sedans? Any international market? They're a very patient Japanese company with a long term view, and a lot of cash. The IS is only in its second generation. The 3 series has been around for 40 years, C class for 25 years, and A class 30 years. Think back to the times when the British ruled the car industry, or much of it. How things have changed. Is there any personal reason why you wouldn't want Lexus to be as good as BMW, or even better?

I'm also wary of the transportability of human capital. 2 examples come to mind. Ford poached J Mays from Audi about 5 years ago, and has driven a lot of the style that we see on modern Fords. And Audi poached a suspension guy from BMW (the name escapes me) a few years ago. I'm just thinking that with so much cash, they could entice significant resources. We as Americans can understand the differentiation of a BMW vs Lexus - it would be naive to assume that Japanese somehow don't.

Unless you think there is something fundamentally wrong with Japanese management that is inferior to German management. That may be difficult to overcome. But remember that the current boss of Toyota has raced at Le Mans 24 hours - can we say that about any of the German CEOs?

But this is all very academic. All we need to do is wait a few years and see what transpires, and buy the best cars. I don't think they are there now - but they will be when I choose to go test drive one.
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